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Post by mcsangel2 on May 20, 2014 13:18:39 GMT -5
I would assume that if the school lacked a grade forgiveness option, or you used all yours up, you could still take the class it just would erase your other class. Meaning your C in the class will be calculated in your GPA along with your B in the same class. So doing better will help your GPA, but not erase your old grade from your GPA calculation. I've never heard of a school that would allow this. Either you are retaking a class (to erase an original) or you aren't allowed to - no middle ground.
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Post by justme on May 20, 2014 13:20:32 GMT -5
I would assume that if the school lacked a grade forgiveness option, or you used all yours up, you could still take the class it just would erase your other class. Meaning your C in the class will be calculated in your GPA along with your B in the same class. So doing better will help your GPA, but not erase your old grade from your GPA calculation. I've never heard of a school that would allow this. Either you are retaking a class (to erase an original) or you aren't allowed to - no middle ground. Oh. I never had to use it so the breadth of my knowledge was that my school had grade forgiveness.
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Post by lazysundays on May 20, 2014 14:24:32 GMT -5
My school let you take the class over, but the final grade would be an average of the two identical classes.
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Post by reader79 on May 20, 2014 14:55:31 GMT -5
I took Games Theory twice due to an F. I really, really hated it the first time, but midway through the second attempt something just 'clicked' and it all made sense. The repeat removed the first grade from my GPA calculation.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 14:57:31 GMT -5
Three (relatively weak) counter arguments: 1) taking seats from others attempting to take the class 2) retaining some integrity of GPA's and honors graduations 3) screw the over achievers who always have to have an "A+" As far as public universities are concerned the tuition is subsidized by the taxpayers. I would be unhappy about students who were too busy partying instead of going to class getting to retake a class subsidized by my tax money. Ava-this was not directed at you but at students who don't give good effort, discover later that they want/need a better grade and then want a do over.
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Post by billisonboard on May 20, 2014 15:07:11 GMT -5
Three (relatively weak) counter arguments: 1) taking seats from others attempting to take the class 2) retaining some integrity of GPA's and honors graduations 3) screw the over achievers who always have to have an "A+" As far as public universities are concerned the tuition is subsidized by the taxpayers. I would be unhappy about students who were too busy partying instead of going to class getting to retake a class subsidized by my tax money. Ava-this was not directed at you but at students who don't give good effort, discover later that they want/need a better grade and then want a do over. Okay, three weak and one pretty good one.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 15:58:32 GMT -5
Three (relatively weak) counter arguments: 1) taking seats from others attempting to take the class 2) retaining some integrity of GPA's and honors graduations 3) screw the over achievers who always have to have an "A+" As far as public universities are concerned the tuition is subsidized by the taxpayers. I would be unhappy about students who were too busy partying instead of going to class getting to retake a class subsidized by my tax money. Ava-this was not directed at you but at students who don't give good effort, discover later that they want/need a better grade and then want a do over. so does that also apply to students who take classes just for the fun of it? are students only allowed to take classes that are required for their major? what's the difference what classes a student takes if they're paying for them? if the university is lucky they'll be there an extra semester or 2 and can pay additional fees. also, most schools charge for credits above a certain number so if a student was taking above that amount, they pay additional money on top of what they're paying for tuition and fees. what about out of state students - none of their tuition is being subsidized by the taxpayers?
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Post by emma1420 on May 20, 2014 16:11:55 GMT -5
I would encourage you to talk to your stats professor now. Sit down and discuss with him or her what he or she really feels were your weakest areas. Despite the fact that you earned an F this semester, your professor can probably offer some great suggestions to help you succeed in a repeat attempt.
The grade you earn isn't about how hard you work, but how well you understand the material. Which, at least these days, is a paradigm shift from undergrad.
How many classes did you take last semester? Even when i was in grad school full-time I never took more than 12 hours (and that was at the very end of my program, I typically only took 9 hours). Most people who went part-time only took 3 hours of classes. So it may be that you are putting too much pressure on yourself to get finished too quickly. I hope that you do great when you take the class again.
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Post by milee on May 20, 2014 16:44:29 GMT -5
The grade you earn isn't about how hard you work, but how well you understand the material. Which, at least these days, is a paradigm shift from undergrad. Good point. That same paradigm shift will be happening in your jobs as you transition from hourly employee to professional as well. There is less emphasis on putting in the time or just being there and more emphasis on the results produced.
I'm sorry statistics were tough this time and that it's not a professor you click with. That can be miserable. But it's worth it to you to go back and master this stuff because as an accountant, it's likely you'll use many of the concepts from statistics, so it's something that will probably be relevant to your future.
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2014 16:56:35 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to read and post. I just came back from work and I'm feeling a little better. In fact, I haven't lost anything. I failed a class. I'm still in the program. I can do this. Today I exchanged e-mails with another student. She also failed the class but her GPA is already below 3.0. She's going to fill out a form to request a second chance. I thought "that will be me if I don't pass this class" The class is a pre-requisite because it's lower division. What you learn in this class will be used in one upper level class with the same teacher. The rest of the classes have nothing to do with Statistics. But lower division classes are prereq for all upper division except one; that's the way the program is set up. Just for clarification, it's not that I don't like the teacher. I find him likable as a person. I also think he's a horrible teacher. Not all teachers are good, and some of them find pleasure in failing a large number of students. He's one of those. I should know, because my brother is a Math teacher and he's the same way. I rented my book for the semester, but I'm going to pay extra an keep it so I can start studying now. I'll return it at the end of July. This is not going to ruin me. I'll take the class again, and I'll pass it. I've already talked to my mother. I explained the situation in detail. She'll be here for the summer and she'll take care of everything; cleaning, cooking, grocery shopping, so I only have to concentrate on the class, besides going to work, of course.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 20, 2014 17:22:07 GMT -5
My suggestions Ava:
Take your syllabus from the class and go through the lectures that you did not understand. You could probably use your old tests to do so.
Find comparable lectures online on the subject and listen to them until you can figure out their point. Sometimes, it takes coming from more than one direction in order to understand where they are coming from. I learned that myself when dealing with graduate students in my lab. There are a lot of these online, all you have to do is look.
I pointed this out before and I really do hope you understand why I'm suggesting this again.....find another student to work with and have a standing date with the student. I did this in my Data Mining class and the 2 of our heads were much better than one.
Get yourself a tutor. Find the name NOW so that you have someone to call when you run into problems. Actually, this should be at the top of your list.
Finally, DO YOUR HOMEWORK IMMEDIATELY AFTER CLASS. I guarantee you that during the summer you will have no option to wait, but this is VERY important. The information is fresh in your brain and when you do your homework at this point, you solidify it.
When you do not understand something, make an appointment with the professor and have him go over it again with you. Don't do this by email, do it in person. I know it's a pain in the butt, but find out when his office hours are (they are required to have them) make an appointment and follow through. Go in prepared with questions about what you do not understand.
What textbook is he working from? I've got enough stats books that I might have it here (probably an older edition). Or I might know of one that explains things better.
Finally, if you thought he went fast during the semester, you are not going to be able to breathe during the summer. You MUST stay on top of things.
Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 19:08:27 GMT -5
so does that also apply to students who take classes just for the fun of it? are students only allowed to take classes that are required for their major? what's the difference what classes a student takes if they're paying for them? if the university is lucky they'll be there an extra semester or 2 and can pay additional fees. also, most schools charge for credits above a certain number so if a student was taking above that amount, they pay additional money on top of what they're paying for tuition and fees. what about out of state students - none of their tuition is being subsidized by the taxpayers? I agree...I don't get the outrage. I don't think anyone is thrilled to take a class over. If anyone gets enough poor grades, they get put on academic probation and lose financial aid and/or kicked out.... Every institution has their own methods to monitor this. ..... So....yeah.....whatever..... Everyone get their chance.... I never said I was outraged. I just don't want to subsidize folks who don't take their classes seriously. this does not apply to other scenarios mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 19:45:59 GMT -5
The point everyone is making is that it doesn't matter. The onus is on you to learn the material and pass the course. If you can't learn from him it is up to you to come up with a strategy that you can learn. You'll find in life that not too many people care when your excuse for not producing is "the circumstances weren't perfect enough for me". Big girls find solutions.
Or your experience with your brother has made you biased. Either way, there are some students who figure out how to pass the course. Be one of them.
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2014 19:48:36 GMT -5
Failing one class has nothing to do with no taking things seriously. I've been going to night school for years and I've always worked full-time. I failed one class so far. Public school is cheaper than private but it's still a very expensive proposition for someone in my position. It's a sacrifice; time, money, effort. Taxpayers (myself included) pay for waste in many areas. If it were up to me, we wouldn't be subsidizing one single war, nuclear weapons, etc. That's me. We also wouldn't be subsidizing Walmart or any of the too big to fail entities.
Besides, you have to understand that "the taxpayer" is a very nebulous concept. The school is there, the tuition is less than private school, so I go there. It's all I can (barely) afford. It has nothing to do with "the taxpayer". All this constant talk about 'the taxpayer" doesn't mean anything for someone who has a need to fill. Besides, tuition is also rising at public schools. They receive less and less financial help from "the taxpayer" each year; the money is going to more important things than education, I'll bet.
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2014 19:49:26 GMT -5
The point everyone is making is that it doesn't matter. The onus is on you to learn the material and pass the course. If you can't learn from him it is up to you to come up with a strategy that you can learn. You'll find in life that not too many people care when your excuse for not producing is "the circumstances weren't perfect enough for me". Big girls find solutions. Or your experience with your brother has made you biased. Either way, there are some students who figure out how to pass the course. Be one of them. You are 100% right
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Post by Ava on May 20, 2014 19:53:26 GMT -5
I never said I was outraged. I just don't want to subsidize folks who don't take their classes seriously. this does not apply to other scenarios mentioned. Stop acting like you are subsidizing each and every student. How many students do you think your taxes pay for? Pick one you like. Pick me
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Post by giramomma on May 20, 2014 20:15:30 GMT -5
Besides, tuition is also rising at public schools. They receive less and less financial help from "the taxpayer" each year; This. Right now, my state's flagship university (top research institution in the US) gets 17% of it's money from the state and 33% from the feds. Public institution, indeed...
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Post by taz157 on May 20, 2014 20:47:35 GMT -5
Good luck ava! You've gotten great advice already so I have nothing to add. Regarding the "taxpayers" comment, I would have no problem with subsidizing you getting your education as you are trying to better yourself.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:50:15 GMT -5
Failing one class has nothing to do with no taking things seriously. I've been going to night school for years and I've always worked full-time. I failed one class so far. Public school is cheaper than private but it's still a very expensive proposition for someone in my position. It's a sacrifice; time, money, effort. Taxpayers (myself included) pay for waste in many areas. If it were up to me, we wouldn't be subsidizing one single war, nuclear weapons, etc. That's me. We also wouldn't be subsidizing Walmart or any of the too big to fail entities. Besides, you have to understand that "the taxpayer" is a very nebulous concept. The school is there, the tuition is less than private school, so I go there. It's all I can (barely) afford. It has nothing to do with "the taxpayer". All this constant talk about 'the taxpayer" doesn't mean anything for someone who has a need to fill. Besides, tuition is also rising at public schools. They receive less and less financial help from "the taxpayer" each year; the money is going to more important things than education, I'll bet. Ava, my comment was not directed towards you and students in your situation. I was pointing out another reason why universities may not let students repeat classes over. My intention was not to derail your thread. My mistake for voicing my opinion when I included the phrase that it makes me "unhappy as a taxpayer" to subsidize those students. I am out if this thread since my words were misunderstood and much more intensity was given them than intended. I wish you the best.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 20, 2014 21:41:20 GMT -5
OK, what is it with posters just leaving lately ??
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Post by raeoflyte on May 21, 2014 8:02:41 GMT -5
Who left?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 8:05:15 GMT -5
cyanne Another one bites the dust...
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Post by The Captain on May 21, 2014 9:15:23 GMT -5
Well maybe if people didn't jump to wide assed conclusions and attribute behavior to someone that isn't there based on what is posted, folks wouldn't be as inclined to leave.
JMHO.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:16:17 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with this place! They're choosing to go live life instead, that's all.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 21, 2014 9:18:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure if people realize they can just stop posting to a thread without making a big announcement? yeah, but then no one would notice and it wouldn't have the same effect
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 21, 2014 9:19:15 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with this place! They're choosing to go live life instead, that's all. so that, of course, made me laugh I do think there are a "few" things wrong with this place, but i don't think this thread is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:21:01 GMT -5
I agree, but I couldn't resist.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on May 21, 2014 13:56:42 GMT -5
So cyenne left too ? Why ? I don't see any good reason, but I guess that's just me. I like this place, especially when somebody disagrees with me. It's fun.
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Post by buystoys on May 21, 2014 16:37:03 GMT -5
My suggestions Ava: Take your syllabus from the class and go through the lectures that you did not understand. You could probably use your old tests to do so. Find comparable lectures online on the subject and listen to them until you can figure out their point. Sometimes, it takes coming from more than one direction in order to understand where they are coming from. I learned that myself when dealing with graduate students in my lab. There are a lot of these online, all you have to do is look. I pointed this out before and I really do hope you understand why I'm suggesting this again..... find another student to work with and have a standing date with the student. I did this in my Data Mining class and the 2 of our heads were much better than one. Get yourself a tutor. Find the name NOW so that you have someone to call when you run into problems. Actually, this should be at the top of your list. Finally, DO YOUR HOMEWORK IMMEDIATELY AFTER CLASS. I guarantee you that during the summer you will have no option to wait, but this is VERY important. The information is fresh in your brain and when you do your homework at this point, you solidify it. When you do not understand something, make an appointment with the professor and have him go over it again with you. Don't do this by email, do it in person. I know it's a pain in the butt, but find out when his office hours are (they are required to have them) make an appointment and follow through. Go in prepared with questions about what you do not understand. What textbook is he working from? I've got enough stats books that I might have it here (probably an older edition). Or I might know of one that explains things better. Finally, if you thought he went fast during the semester, you are not going to be able to breathe during the summer. You MUST stay on top of things. Good luck. Ava, I completely agree with Mich's suggestions above. Count me as another part-time student who went to school while working full-time. Even though you seem to have some reluctance to network with classmates, I found the MOST help in my pre-calc class came from the group of us who gathered an hour before each class to go over the material and home work. We were fortunate that our class room was empty at that time and just all showed up early. Every one would take a turn walking through the home work assignments and explaining the steps as we worked through the problem on the board. It was more helpful than the instructor going through the example again as we didn't have any issues with stopping each other and discussing each step until we ALL understood it. I strongly agree with the suggestion to schedule a time to meet your instructor. I was having some issues with one of my courses and just could NOT grasp a basic concept that everything else built off of. Unfortunately, I could not meet the instructor in person. What I did do was schedule a phone call and went over the material with them on a computer white board. The instructor knew that I was making a sincere attempt to assimilate the information and spent much more time with me than they would have in a class room setting. This is VITAL in a statistics class. If you don't grasp the underlying concepts, you will continue to have a difficult time as the class moves on. I saw your comments where the instructor said something was easy and then moved at a rapid pace to explain it. If you are in front of him, it is easier to give him visual and vocal cues that it is not easy for YOU. Have him slow down and go over the material again until you are able to comprehend it. Sometimes material has to be presented in several different ways before it is understood. Hang in there!
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 21, 2014 19:24:07 GMT -5
Ava,
I wish you all the best. I put myself through college, going to night school and working full time at first, then going to school full time. I did my grad school work as a full time student. I did well in Stat as an undergrad with a professor who was very difficult to understand. I found I had to listen very carefully and to watch him speak to get most of what he said. He also worked many problems on the board and if those were copied down and studied, you could get through his courses.
In grad school, Stat became a nightmare. I was well aware of the drop/add deadlines and I lived in the professor's office. I ended up with a B in the class and was thrilled to have it.
My nephew is a college professor and he gets no pleasure in flunking students. He gets very frustrated at students who blame him and who have probably not read the syllabus where he told them how the class would be graded. Last week, he had a line of students who were begging for As or Bs or to pass the class who did not do the work. An entire semester of work can not be made up in a week and he told many of them that.
He also got the excuse that I work a lot of hours. He told them they had to make a choice between their job and the course. They are adults now and nobody is leading college students at any level by the hand.
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