Since there is an argument- how about my trap?

[EVT1]

I have a two car garage- so my plan is to leave the garage door open and leave a keg of beer out. I am going to park all of my cars away from my house and sit in the rafters with my .30-06.    If anyone sets foot in the garage I am going to kill them on sight. After all it is self-defense right?

My guess is that I will be supported.  And if you do not see a problem with this- well- you are the problem. 

[justme]

I'm not sure...is the keg tapped? That changes everything

[billisonboard]

I would be okay with it as long as it was good beer, you provided chilled mugs,  and gave the criminals a chance to drink at least one glass full before you blew them away.   O' and classy hors d'oeuvre too.

[djAdvocate]

make sure to have some fauva beans handy.

[Deleted]

That's not fair.

What about people that don't like beer? You are discriminating against them.

Make it a big sign stating "come in for a free blow job". (it's true... if you think about it... it's a "job" to get into the rafters... and a .30-06 will "blow" them away... and you aren't going to charge them anything, so it's free...)

[Shooby]

I would suggest putting in a stripper pole and hiring out a lady of the night to do some dancing in your garage if you really want to aim for maximum carnage!

[NoNamePerson]

Is it really good draft beer? That is the only thing that would lure me in. Prefer Vodka myself and maybe some weed.  

[jkapp]

Considering all someone has to do to not get shot is to avoid entering a garage, I don't see the issue here.  I mean, who would go into someone else's garage just because the door was open?

[Shooby]

Well, someone might think a yard sale is going on?

[NoNamePerson]

May 12, 2014 7:35:14 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Well, someone might think a yard sale is going on?

Do you think a loon sitting in the rafters with a .30-06 might be a clue to stay out or call 911   

[billisonboard]

Musical Mood This Morning

[truthbound]

May 11, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I have a two car garage- so my plan is to leave the garage door open and leave a keg of beer out. I am going to park all of my cars away from my house and sit in the rafters with my .30-06.    If anyone sets foot in the garage I am going to kill them on sight. After all it is self-defense right?

My guess is that I will be supported.  And if you do not see a problem with this- well- you are the problem. 

And thread 15. No you don't hate guns...........

[djAdvocate]

May 13, 2014 4:35:12 GMT -5 truthbound said:

May 11, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

I have a two car garage- so my plan is to leave the garage door open and leave a keg of beer out. I am going to park all of my cars away from my house and sit in the rafters with my .30-06.    If anyone sets foot in the garage I am going to kill them on sight. After all it is self-defense right?

My guess is that I will be supported.  And if you do not see a problem with this- well- you are the problem. 

And thread 15. No you don't hate guns...........

question: at last count EVT owns more than a dozen guns.  does that sound like "i hate guns" to you?

[EVT1]

I consider it as a duty- a responsible gun owner calling out the irresponsible ones.

When my state finally got the right to carry it was a good thing- so every time some dipshit walks into a grocery store in shorts and flip-flops with a glock hanging to the side in a non-retention holster and proceeds to drop it blasting a hole in part of the store I will have something to say about it. Or if you want to open carry with the intent of testing police or intimidating people out to enjoy a nice day in the park with their kids I will have something to say about it. And when the NRA fails to call these people out I will have something else to say about them.

Somehow the concept of self-defense has been twisted so far to the point of being ridiculous- yet people are still on board with it. And what it boils down to is defense of property- a bunch of crap some people are willing to kill over, or irrational fear.

Nothing illustrates the property angle more than the Joe Horn case in TX- when the man was on the phone with the police and went outside and shot dead two people that had stolen property from his neighbor.  That was cold-blooded murder and some Texans let him get away with it.  Even the police could not do what he did.

So that's my take- if you think killing someone over property theft is OK, grabbing your gun and playing cop is OK, instigating confrontations while armed is OK- then I think you are a disturbed individual and a threat to my right to own a gun.  It is always the idiots that ruin it for the rest of us.

The wiki on the Horn case:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

There could be a compelling case of pre-meditated murder here as well- good thing it was TX.  And again- IMO if you think this man was justified I think you are a disturbed individual.

[truthbound]

May 13, 2014 10:10:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 13, 2014 4:35:12 GMT -5 truthbound said:

And thread 15. No you don't hate guns...........

question: at last count EVT owns more than a dozen guns.  does that sound like "i hate guns" to you?

At whose last count? EVTs?

[Tennesseer]

May 14, 2014 3:34:59 GMT -5 truthbound said:

May 13, 2014 10:10:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

question: at last count EVT owns more than a dozen guns.  does that sound like "i hate guns" to you?

At whose last count? EVTs?

EVT was mentioning his gun ownership long before the start of the Zimmerman and other shooting fiascos began.

[djAdvocate]

May 14, 2014 3:34:59 GMT -5 truthbound said:

May 13, 2014 10:10:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

question: at last count EVT owns more than a dozen guns.  does that sound like "i hate guns" to you?

At whose last count? EVTs?

why would a gun hater argue that he has any guns?  that makes ZERO sense to me.

[djAdvocate]

May 14, 2014 10:02:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 14, 2014 3:34:59 GMT -5 truthbound said:

At whose last count? EVTs?

EVT was mentioning his gun ownership long before the start of the Zimmerman and other shooting fiascos began.

i just don't understand the logic.

let's say people assume i hate kids, and then i happen to mention that i have 13 of them.  unless i am JOKING about hating kids (which i can well imagine, if i had 13), how does that assumption even make SENSE?

it seems far more likely to me that i would LOVE kids way more than most posters here, but have really strong beliefs about them.  THAT would seem logical to me.  why would it NOT be the more logical assumption for EVT?

[Tennesseer]

May 14, 2014 10:42:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 14, 2014 10:02:35 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

EVT was mentioning his gun ownership long before the start of the Zimmerman and other shooting fiascos began.

i just don't understand the logic.

let's say people assume i hate kids, and then i happen to mention that i have 13 of them.  unless i am JOKING about hating kids (which i can well imagine, if i had 13), how does that assumption even make SENSE?

it seems far more likely to me that i would LOVE kids way more than most posters here, but have really strong beliefs about them.  THAT would seem logical to me.  why would it NOT be the more logical assumption for EVT?

[EVT1]

May 14, 2014 10:38:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 14, 2014 3:34:59 GMT -5 truthbound said:

At whose last count? EVTs?

why would a gun hater argue that he has any guns?  that makes ZERO sense to me.

I already asked for anyone to point out on the many threads where I ever said ban guns or guns were bad- hard for some people to accept that a gun owner would criticize other gun owners.  Not my problem is it.

I even went to the trouble of rotating my avatar with a few insurance pictures I keep of my guns just to make the point-so just for today it's going to be my S&W tactical .40 close up- note the serial number is clearly visible.  I hate that darn gun

[djAdvocate]

May 14, 2014 11:14:32 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

May 14, 2014 10:38:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

why would a gun hater argue that he has any guns?  that makes ZERO sense to me.

I already asked for anyone to point out on the many threads where I ever said ban guns or guns were bad- hard for some people to accept that a gun owner would criticize other gun owners.  Not my problem is it.

I even went to the trouble of rotating my avatar with a few insurance pictures I keep of my guns just to make the point-so just for today it's going to be my S&W tactical .40 close up- note the serial number is clearly visible.  I hate that darn gun

actually this says a great deal.  i guess gun owners think anyone who is for sensible regulation is a GOINO. 

[Virgil Showlion]

May 14, 2014 11:14:32 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

May 14, 2014 10:38:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

why would a gun hater argue that he has any guns?  that makes ZERO sense to me.

I already asked for anyone to point out on the many threads where I ever said ban guns or guns were bad- hard for some people to accept that a gun owner would criticize other gun owners.  Not my problem is it.

I even went to the trouble of rotating my avatar with a few insurance pictures I keep of my guns just to make the point-so just for today it's going to be my S&W tactical .40 close up- note the serial number is clearly visible.  I hate that darn gun

It's not that you say "guns are bad", it's that you spend an inordinate amount of time pointing out every possible way people misuse them. We have threads about questionable police shootings, excessive police shootings, accidental shootings, kids accidentally shooting themselves with BB guns, shootings as part of dubious self-defense claims, random shootings (such as theater shootings or loud music shootings), mass shootings (such as the Ford Hood shootings, etc.), questionable SYG shootings, ...

Then we add to that an equally redoubtable payload of threads on gun regulations and gun culture. Threads on NRA "Looney Tunes", and questionable NRA lobbying, and objections to concealed carry laws, and objections to open carry laws, and objections to high-capacity magazines, and disdain for "the types of guys" who openly carry, and disdain for "self-defense" gun magazines, and disdain for militias, and disdain for second amendment support rallies, ...

I said before that of the 81 threads you've posted on gun-related topics in the past six months, none (as in, zero) were even slightly favourable towards guns. I was slightly mistaken. It turns out that one of your threads (specifically, this one) discusses a self-defense shooting that you considered justifiable. Hence the ratio is 80 to 1. 80 threads about murder, mayhem, and untold suffering--where the only common theme is that guns are somehow involved and being misused--versus one thread where you provide us with a brief glimpse of "hey, maybe guns aren't the scourge of the universe".

If you truly don't hate guns and you want recognition of that fact, you might try not bombarding the boards with every conceivable reason to hate guns, gun laws, gun lobbies, and gun owners. Or at least temper it with an occasional "Look! An appropriate use of a gun." thread once every 20 gun threads or so.

[mmhmm]

I think EVT's threads point more toward not wanting to lose the right to own guns because some idjits cannot be responsible with guns.  I think EVT has pointed out the NRA isn't doing a very good job of speaking to that issue.  I don't see EVT's threads as you see them, Virgil.

[djAdvocate]

May 14, 2014 11:57:12 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I think EVT's threads point more toward not wanting to lose the right to own guns because some idjits cannot be responsible with guns.  I think EVT has pointed out the NRA isn't doing a very good job of speaking to that issue.  I don't see EVT's threads as you see them, Virgil.

i pointed out on another thread that the NRA was primarily a gun safety and training organization in it's first century of existence.  since then, i can't imagine an organization LESS concerned with weapons safety and training than the NRA- if by those terms you mean "legislated safety and training".  they have stood in the way of every meaningful mandated safety and training improvement for weapons for at least a generation.

if they could get back to their original mission, i might rejoin the organization.  i was a member in the 70's.

[mmhmm]

May 14, 2014 12:28:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 14, 2014 11:57:12 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I think EVT's threads point more toward not wanting to lose the right to own guns because some idjits cannot be responsible with guns.  I think EVT has pointed out the NRA isn't doing a very good job of speaking to that issue.  I don't see EVT's threads as you see them, Virgil.

i pointed out on another thread that the NRA was primarily a gun safety and training organization in it's first century of existence.  since then, i can't imagine an organization LESS concerned with weapons safety and training than the NRA- if by those terms you mean "legislated safety and training".  they have stood in the way of every meaningful mandated safety and training improvement for weapons for at least a generation.

if they could get back to their original mission, i might rejoin the organization.  i was a member in the 70's.

I don't disagree.  While I've never been an NRA member, I do own a gun and I wouldn't want anyone to tell me I can't keep that gun here for our protection.  To me (and, I think, to you), it's quite obvious what EVT is trying to point out.  It's also obvious it angers him.  I don't like it, either, and I'd like to see the NRA take some responsible action instead of extolling gun ownership while fighting against any sort of safety controls/regulations considered in that regard.  To me, that's irresponsible and politically driven, not representing the interests of responsible gun owners.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 14, 2014 11:57:12 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I think EVT's threads point more toward not wanting to lose the right to own guns because some idjits cannot be responsible with guns.  I think EVT has pointed out the NRA isn't doing a very good job of speaking to that issue.  I don't see EVT's threads as you see them, Virgil.

I don't think EVT trusts Americans with guns.

There will always be "idjits" who can't be distinguished from responsible firearm owners until it's too late, and EVT simply doesn't trust Americans with guns.

EVT: Regardless of how we interpret your threads, what conclusions do you expect us to draw from them? What reaction are you trying to provoke? You obviously want SYG laws and the castle doctrine struck down, which you've been straightforward about. But what about police shooting threads? What is your point there? What about accidental shooting threads? When we read those, what do you want us to think?

How about terrorist shooting threads? Or "gun culture has got to stop" threads?

If not "Americans cannot be trusted with guns.", what is the common theme? You're leaving no stone unturned arguing that America would simply be better off with fewer guns and less license to use them. America would be a better place if neighbourhood watchmen weren't armed, if police were limited to LTL force, if concealed carrying was outlawed, if NRA lobbyists and NRA gun culture didn't exist. An America with fewer guns would have fewer accidental shootings, fewer executions of trespassers and burglars, and fewer mass shootings.

You celebrated the NRA's declining membership and reports of declining gun ownership. You took up a staunchly "more guns does not equal less crime" position in the gun control debate. As far as I'm concerned, the only reasonable conclusion one can draw from your litany of arguments is that you simply do not trust Americans to own and use guns responsibly.

Whether or not this means you want to ban guns, I don't know. But if you ultimately don't want the state to take action, what is the point of these threads? Do you just like pointing and jumping every time some weapon accidentally discharges, or do you want the state to do something about it? Do you like pointing and jumping every time a mass shooting happens, or do you want the state to step in and do something about it? Do you like pointing at militias and crying foul, or do you want the state to step in and take any measures necessary to disarm them?

Do you or do you not trust Americans to own guns? You can't have it both ways. If you want the state's foot on the throat of "idjit" firearm owners, it's also going to be on the throat of every American who uses firearms responsibly.

[mmhmm]

I think you're wrong, Virgil.  I think EVT trusts Americans who are responsible with their weaponry to own guns.  We disagree.

[swamp]

EVT, how are you going to go pee while you wait in the rafters? You know you're gonna sample the beer.

[NoNamePerson]

swamp I have a feeling it is rotgut beer so no need for him to sample. Wouldn't be putting out the good stuff for someone who is gonna get his balls blown off  

[billisonboard]

I am "anti-gun".  I would like to see this country mature to the point that the Second Amendment is repealed through constitutional methods and that gun ownership become a privilege granted to those who demonstrate the need for and ability to responsibly own guns.  There would have to be a major change in the culture of this society prior to this taking place.  So I guess we will just continue to shoot each other for the foreseeable future.