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Post by toomuchreality on May 9, 2014 2:11:48 GMT -5
It wouldn't be worth it to me, to not pay it, and then have to worry constantly. But that's just me.
Don't forget to post and tell us if you got a ticket, or not! I'm curious, and will no doubt be wondering!
(I'm glad you made it through the intersection safely. Good luck! )
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Post by truthbound on May 9, 2014 3:56:39 GMT -5
Next time you drive through take out your trusty Glock and eliminate the camera. And then hopefully you will go to jail. Unless you are lying there is no issue. If your car actually broke you just take the proof to court and get the ticket dismissed.
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Post by zibazinski on May 9, 2014 6:55:29 GMT -5
There's no court to take it to a lot of times. Good luck with that.
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Post by truthbound on May 10, 2014 4:28:11 GMT -5
Wrong. You always have the right to take it court.
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Post by zibazinski on May 10, 2014 6:48:10 GMT -5
Yes, I'm not traveling to Ohio when I live in Florida. But anyway, they are now illegal in Florida so it doesn't matter.
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Post by moneymaven on May 10, 2014 7:25:37 GMT -5
I'm not a lawyer but I had a similar issue about 5 years ago when my speedometer stopped working. I got a speeding ticket that week as I was just moving with the flow of traffic because I couldn't tell my actual speed. When I went to court with my records of repair I explained it wasn't willful disregard of law. Judge said it didn't matter in our state - a broken law is a broken law. He lowered the fine but that was all. So unless you think there is a law in your state that supports breaking the law (running a red) due to this issue, dispute it. If not, I think you're SOL.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 10:03:06 GMT -5
I wish we had the cameras, as our town can't afford a traffic officer. People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running them. Truckers are the worst. Too much of a pain to stop? Recently, a man in a wheel chair was hit and killed when a driver ran the crosswalk red. I want the cameras!
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Post by kaptan on May 21, 2014 9:05:19 GMT -5
After a week of opening the mailbox in fear everyday, it finally came. I was beginning to think that maybe it was yellow when i crossed. Clocked me at 46 in a 45, 0.3 seconds too late. So, doing some math i was 20 feet from the line when it changed...not as close as i thought. Also i thought i was under the limit. After reading through the legalese that came with the notice, there is no clause that explicitly excuses you for mechanical failure, so it's up to me to plead my case and hope the judge is feeling lenient that day. But if i lose the case, they tack on up to $250 to the fine and it could then get upgraded to a real ticket. Like some others have said, not worth my time, not worth the risk. I'll just pay the 158 and be done with it. At least my clutch is fixed and i can drive the car. There was an extended warranty on the clutch pedal because it has a tendency for a spot weld to fail and render the pedal useless (which it most certainly does). Too bad the warranty was only extended to 8 years and my car is 9 years old. Nother $100 to buy a new pedal assembly .
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2014 9:08:37 GMT -5
People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running them
We've had them for several years and the county/city has no proof whatsoever that these cameras have prevented the running of red lights. In fact there is data that shows rear end collisions have increased because people slam on their breaks to avoid getting a $175 ticket rather than speeding up to clear the intersection.
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Post by zibazinski on May 21, 2014 9:08:44 GMT -5
This is exactly what they want you to do. Pay up and go away.
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Post by zibazinski on May 21, 2014 9:09:27 GMT -5
People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running themWe've had them for several years and the county/city has no proof whatsoever that these cameras have prevented the running of red lights. In fact there is data that shows rear end collisions have increased because people slam on their breaks to avoid getting a $175 ticket rather than speeding up to clear the intersection. Then you get ticketed for that so they still get their money.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:11:33 GMT -5
The Mayor of Buffalo has unsuccessfully tried to get them installed twice. We may not be the most sophisticated people in the country, but we can see a swindler coming from a mile away!!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2014 9:15:49 GMT -5
Council Bluffs is in deep doo doo with the state over these cameras. They need to provide data starting from when they were installed showing they actually prevent red light running and aren't just a giant money generator for the city.
If they can't do that the state is going to make them remove the red light cameras.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:17:20 GMT -5
People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running themWe've had them for several years and the county/city has no proof whatsoever that these cameras have prevented the running of red lights. In fact there is data that shows rear end collisions have increased because people slam on their breaks to avoid getting a $175 ticket rather than speeding up to clear the intersection. of course the rear end collisions wouldn't happen as often if people learned to follow at a safe distance rather than trying to be so close to the person in front of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:18:18 GMT -5
People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running themWe've had them for several years and the county/city has no proof whatsoever that these cameras have prevented the running of red lights. In fact there is data that shows rear end collisions have increased because people slam on their breaks to avoid getting a $175 ticket rather than speeding up to clear the intersection. Wouldn't an increase in rear end collisions be enough proof that the cameras are a deterrent? Of course there are going to be rear end collisions, this until the idiots figure out how yellow and red lights work. Getting rear-ended is better than getting T-Boned by a car speeding through a red. I want the cameras.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2014 9:19:10 GMT -5
of course the rear end collisions wouldn't happen as often if people learned to follow at a safe distance rather than trying to be so close to the person in front of them
True, but the state wants proof these red light cameras DECREASE accidents. If they're increasing accidents and on top of that not preventing what they claim to prevent then they're going to be struck down by the state. ?
Wouldn't an increase in rear end collisions be enough proof that the cameras are a deterrent
No, the state wants to see an actual decrease in the amount of red lights ran. The city has generated a HUGE amount of re venue from these cameras, which means plenty of people are doing exactly what these cameras claim to prevent.
CB got themselves audited because they've spent a shit ton of money on new cop cars lately (these things cost several hundred grand a piece) and guess where the money came from?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:26:15 GMT -5
People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running themWe've had them for several years and the county/city has no proof whatsoever that these cameras have prevented the running of red lights. In fact there is data that shows rear end collisions have increased because people slam on their breaks to avoid getting a $175 ticket rather than speeding up to clear the intersection. of course the rear end collisions wouldn't happen as often if people learned to follow at a safe distance rather than trying to be so close to the person in front of them. I had a girlfriend killed by a guy running a red. He was going so fast he shove her car into a telephone pole. In Reno, the biggest problem I see are drivers who seem to think that you don't have to stop once the green turn arrow changes to red. They seem to think that everyone in the turning lane must be able to make the turn regardless of the light. It doesn't work like that. And this is why there are rear end collisions. I've seen rear drivers actually honk at someone for NOT continuing through with the turn on a red. Where is this entitlement attitude coming from
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:28:48 GMT -5
Well, installing red light cameras isn't going to fix that.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:29:37 GMT -5
I guess some people are just slow learners. Probably the ones who can't figure out why they are always broke. They'll catch on once they get enough tickets to lose their licences.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2014 9:34:31 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting the point. If all the cameras do is generate tax income, that's illegal according to Iowa and the city will have to take the cameras down. The cameras have to be doing what the city claims they are doing, which current data shows they do not.
Basically the city is using the cameras to get fancier toys for the police department and fire department. The new fire truck is $300k. The majority of that money came from red light cameras. That's an awful lot of money to be generating from something that is supposedly supposed to be REDUCING the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:34:56 GMT -5
Well, installing red light cameras isn't going to fix that. By allowing someone to feel entitled enough to do as they please, by running the reds, we are rewarding them. Take away the reward and they will get the message. Same with raising kids. If there is no punishment for missing curfew, then you'd be teaching the kid that he is entitled to miss curfew.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:37:11 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting the point. If all the cameras do is generate tax income, that's illegal according to Iowa and the city will have to take the cameras down. The cameras have to be doing what the city claims they are doing, which current data shows they do not. Basically the city is using the cameras to get fancier toys for the police department and fire department. The new fire truck is $300k. The majority of that money came from red light cameras. That's an awful lot of money to be generating from something that is supposedly supposed to be REDUCING the problem. How would a camera be any different than having a traffic cop sitting on a corner, nabbing red light runners? If cities are making money off of law breakers, who cares? I don't. More power to them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2014 9:38:27 GMT -5
Apparently the state feels differently, they want to know things that are being purchased with tax money are doing what the city claims it does. Maybe you should run for Iowa senate?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 9:43:51 GMT -5
I think rear end collisions are preferable to being t-boned by someone running a light. I'm sick and tired of the people who don't think they need to stop before making a right on red and honk at you if you do. I also agree about the left turn arrow. then there are the people who block cross traffic because heaven forbid they have to wait for the next light cycle because they couldn't clear the intersection.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on May 21, 2014 10:03:10 GMT -5
I wish we had the cameras, as our town can't afford a traffic officer. People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running them. Truckers are the worst. Too much of a pain to stop? Recently, a man in a wheel chair was hit and killed when a driver ran the crosswalk red. I want the cameras! Don't you hate Big Brother and the government being all up in everyone's business? Or is it ok for them to be in everyone else's but not yours?
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 21, 2014 10:11:26 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting the point. If all the cameras do is generate tax income, that's illegal according to Iowa and the city will have to take the cameras down. The cameras have to be doing what the city claims they are doing, which current data shows they do not. Basically the city is using the cameras to get fancier toys for the police department and fire department. The new fire truck is $300k. The majority of that money came from red light cameras. That's an awful lot of money to be generating from something that is supposedly supposed to be REDUCING the problem. How would a camera be any different than having a traffic cop sitting on a corner, nabbing red light runners? If cities are making money off of law breakers, who cares? I don't. More power to them. Because traffic cops can issue tickets that come with points on your license. X amount of points equals loss of driving privileges. Traffic cameras, because there is no witness to you being the driver, only generate revenue. ETA: I have to look it up, but I believe there has been an increase of rear-end collisions in intersections of NE Philly that have red light cameras.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 10:11:53 GMT -5
I wish we had the cameras, as our town can't afford a traffic officer. People here are constantly running the red lights and it's not just a little misjudgment on the yellow. It's flat out running them. Truckers are the worst. Too much of a pain to stop? Recently, a man in a wheel chair was hit and killed when a driver ran the crosswalk red. I want the cameras! Don't you hate Big Brother and the government being all up in everyone's business? Or is it ok for them to be in everyone else's but not yours? You're right. I hate big government, but this isn't big government.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 21, 2014 10:15:02 GMT -5
Because traffic cops can issue tickets that come with points on your license. X amount of points equals loss of driving privileges. Traffic cameras, because there is no witness to you being the driver, only generate revenue Red light tickets go to whoever the car is registered to, they do not go to the driver. Red light tickets do not go against your license and they do not affect your insurance rates here. You just pay the fine and go on your way.
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Post by zibazinski on May 21, 2014 10:21:02 GMT -5
Plus, the yellow time can be shortened to produce more tickets. My aunt proved it successfully. Before they were forced to remove the red light cameras, they had to time the yellows correctly to the same as the yellow times of non camera lights.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 10:22:45 GMT -5
Because traffic cops can issue tickets that come with points on your license. X amount of points equals loss of driving privileges. Traffic cameras, because there is no witness to you being the driver, only generate revenue Red light tickets go to whoever the car is registered to, they do not go to the driver. Red light tickets do not go against your license and they do not affect your insurance rates here. You just pay the fine and go on your way. One more reason not to be letting idiot drivers use your car.
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