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Post by zibazinski on Apr 18, 2014 21:52:28 GMT -5
My instructor taught me to shoot to kill and only to kill and that if I was unable to kill someone then owning a gun was not for me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 19, 2014 11:20:01 GMT -5
Where the hell do you live? And really- you go to sleep with your gun belt on the nightstand? Who has a gun belt? You shower with it do you? Seriously- there is no defense against madness- you might be shot with your own gun tomorrow. And the other posters that said she should have grabbed the gun and shot the husband- really?!?! Are you kidding me- if the person you love freaks out and tells you to shoot them anyone really going to consider that? Any goofball can Monday morning quarterback. If a relative asked me to get the gun and shoot them, I would definitely get the gun...but not shoot them Now they might wrestle it away from me, but at least I didn't just sit and let them get the gun themselves. If I have the gun, I at least know that the person with more sanity has control of it. If anything, I would try to unload the gun and/or toss the bullets someplace out of the way, like down an air vent if need be. But even if you have to shoot the person, being the sane one means you wouldn't necessarily need to shoot to kill. Aim low...hopefully no one will get killed. Its obviously not a certainty but its better odds than letting the crazy person control the gun. i was going to point out earlier that if you failed to kill the guy in the OP, he would kill you. but i kind of figured that zib would take the stand she did. i can't say that i feel safer in the world with that attitude around. i feel better with yours.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 22, 2014 12:17:18 GMT -5
The first thing you do in the morning is put your gun belt on. The last thing you do at night is take your gun belt off and put it next to your bed. You do it with clothes (I hope). After a few years it becomes part of you and you don't notice it any more. With normal happenstance, you'll never need it. 14 years and counting for me. Where the hell do you live? And really- you go to sleep with your gun belt on the nightstand? Who has a gun belt? You shower with it do you? Seriously- there is no defense against madness- you might be shot with your own gun tomorrow. And the other posters that said she should have grabbed the gun and shot the husband- really?!?! Are you kidding me- if the person you love freaks out and tells you to shoot them anyone really going to consider that? Any goofball can Monday morning quarterback. Is this really so unusual? We carry most of the time when out, especially at night. The only place we don't bring a gun to is jobs, or where it is illegal (like bars). I know where the guns are during the day, one is in the gun safe near the door and another attached to the bed via magnet. Both are ready to use, so if I am in various parts of the house I can get to the closest gun if I am here alone. And I have done so, while I was using a walker, no less. Fortunately, the person who was lurking outside the door did not try to enter. Had he done so, he would have been looking at the end of a Glock from 15' away, and yes....I can hit targets at that distance. I was scared shitless at the time, but my brain was deadly calm. I didn't start shaking until the event was over. We live at the end of a dead end road, with only 6 other houses on the road. They are far enough away that calling for them is not going to help. If someone is trying to break in, if I call 911 it is going to take a cop 20 minutes to get here. I would not get shot with my own gun because I would not let a person get close enough to me to get to it.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 22, 2014 12:20:39 GMT -5
But even if you have to shoot the person, being the sane one means you wouldn't necessarily need to shoot to kill. Aim low...hopefully no one will get killed. Its obviously not a certainty but its better odds than letting the crazy person control the gun.
This is not recommended by shooting instructors for defense. The likelihood of hitting your target is a lot less and if you miss you will not stop them. Even if you do not miss, you probably won't stop them.
Optimally, you want to hit the pelvic girdle if you have a big enough gun. Once you shatter the pelvic girdle, they go down and it is a large enough target to hit. Way better than knees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 10:12:48 GMT -5
The first thing you do in the morning is put your gun belt on. The last thing you do at night is take your gun belt off and put it next to your bed. You do it with clothes (I hope). After a few years it becomes part of you and you don't notice it any more. With normal happenstance, you'll never need it. 14 years and counting for me. it is astounding what people can get used to. I guess I'm like one of those old ranchers mentioned in another thread, guns have no special meaning to me. I was in error when I said I've never used it though. A few years back I shot and killed a large dog that tried to bite the DW on the leg. We were walking on a dirt back road a couple of miles from the house. The dogs owner called the sheriff and the responding deputy told him that if the dog was successful in the biting attempt, he would of been arrested and charged. I didn't want to shoot his animal, but I wasn't left any choice.
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 23, 2014 10:18:00 GMT -5
Well that deputy is an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 10:24:41 GMT -5
The first thing you do in the morning is put your gun belt on. The last thing you do at night is take your gun belt off and put it next to your bed. You do it with clothes (I hope). After a few years it becomes part of you and you don't notice it any more. With normal happenstance, you'll never need it. 14 years and counting for me. Where the hell do you live? And really- you go to sleep with your gun belt on the nightstand? Who has a gun belt? You shower with it do you? Seriously- there is no defense against madness- you might be shot with your own gun tomorrow. And the other posters that said she should have grabbed the gun and shot the husband- really?!?! Are you kidding me- if the person you love freaks out and tells you to shoot them anyone really going to consider that? Any goofball can Monday morning quarterback. I live in an area that has minimal law enforcement(and taxes). The sheriff's deputies here will tell you you have to defend yourself. Their job is more like an after the fact, report and find the perpetrator. The DW and I are pretty low key and don't understand all this craziness on the news we hear. Someone starts acting crazy waving a gun around or anything else in my direction that can hurt me, you can bet I'm going to put a bullet in them.
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 23, 2014 10:28:57 GMT -5
Minimal law enforcement yet they would arrest a dog owner for a bite I wouldn't rely on them either- they sound incompetent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 10:52:33 GMT -5
Well that deputy is an idiot. They are following the law, and executing the correct response.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 10:58:49 GMT -5
Minimal law enforcement yet they would arrest a dog owner for a bite I wouldn't rely on them either- they sound incompetent. In our county there are no restrictions on containing your animal, but you are responsible for what they do. They are not incompetent, just following the law. There is a supreme court ruling that a police force is not required to protect citizens. If an area wishes to pay for that level of protection, they can. This area chooses not to.
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 23, 2014 11:28:44 GMT -5
Well that deputy is an idiot. They are following the law, and executing the correct response. No they aren't. You can't arrest someone just because their dog bites someone. It's a tort.
Now maybe there is some criminal statute for raising angry pit bulls and letting them get out-or I am sure if someone were to intentionally sic their dog on you, but generally there is zero chance of an arrest over a dog bite.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 11:58:47 GMT -5
They are following the law, and executing the correct response. No they aren't. You can't arrest someone just because their dog bites someone. It's a tort.
Now maybe there is some criminal statute for raising angry pit bulls and letting them get out-or I am sure if someone were to intentionally sic their dog on you, but generally there is zero chance of an arrest over a dog bite.
The owner let his dog out of the house. It ran across a field and attempted to bite the DW. I shot and killed it with a .38 revolver. The responding deputy told the dogs owner that if it's attack was successful he would of been arrested. The deputy told me I was in my right to kill the animal.
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Post by zibazinski on May 2, 2014 12:08:47 GMT -5
That makes me mad. You should have shot the owner not the dog!
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Post by EVT1 on May 2, 2014 12:42:49 GMT -5
Anything people should not be shot for?
I still think the deputy is a dipshit- you can't arrest someone because they let their dog out of the house and it happens to bite someone. It would have to be intentional AND the dog would have to be a known dangerous breed or have a history. Well- I guess you could arrest them-just won't hold up in court. It is not a criminal act.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 13:28:11 GMT -5
That makes me mad. You should have shot the owner not the dog! A somewhat similar situation happened in my county a few (5?) years back. A mans large dog was continuously going after the neighbor when he was trying to get to his truck in the morning to go to work. After a couple of months of this he finally shot the dog. The dogs owner saw this and ran out of his house gun pointed at his neighbor yelling that he was going to kill him for shooting his dog. The guy who shot the dog killed the dogs owner too. The local media dropped coverage of the story after the initial report of it. Can't have justifiable homicide getting any coverage. I never heard, nor read another word about it. I don't think any charge was filed by the D.A.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2014 16:20:23 GMT -5
That makes me mad. You should have shot the owner not the dog! got it. from now on, when arguing with you, i will compare poor people to pets.
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Post by EVT1 on May 2, 2014 19:32:43 GMT -5
That makes me mad. You should have shot the owner not the dog! A somewhat similar situation happened in my county a few (5?) years back. A mans large dog was continuously going after the neighbor when he was trying to get to his truck in the morning to go to work. After a couple of months of this he finally shot the dog. The dogs owner saw this and ran out of his house gun pointed at his neighbor yelling that he was going to kill him for shooting his dog. The guy who shot the dog killed the dogs owner too. The local media dropped coverage of the story after the initial report of it. Can't have justifiable homicide getting any coverage. I never heard, nor read another word about it. I don't think any charge was filed by the D.A. Sounds justifiable to me.
But why should cases of justifiable homicide require news coverage? And a lot of times they do- depends on the situation.
Face it- it is just not very newsworthy when someone properly uses self defense- especially when they are not charged with a crime as is the usual case. The news people only have so much time- unless it is sensational it is not going to play- there are murders daily in this country, rapes, etc. and the majority of it might get a small story in the paper if anything.
Now if the murder involves controversial laws, race, or the rape involves teachers, teenagers, etc. then they will have a field day.
The NRA has a newsletter I think- armed citizen or some shit- that highlights proper self defense cases. So it is out there-but they have an agenda- the local news people have a different one.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 11:45:23 GMT -5
A somewhat similar situation happened in my county a few (5?) years back. A mans large dog was continuously going after the neighbor when he was trying to get to his truck in the morning to go to work. After a couple of months of this he finally shot the dog. The dogs owner saw this and ran out of his house gun pointed at his neighbor yelling that he was going to kill him for shooting his dog. The guy who shot the dog killed the dogs owner too. The local media dropped coverage of the story after the initial report of it. Can't have justifiable homicide getting any coverage. I never heard, nor read another word about it. I don't think any charge was filed by the D.A. Sounds justifiable to me.
But why should cases of justifiable homicide require news coverage? And a lot of times they do- depends on the situation.
Face it- it is just not very newsworthy when someone properly uses self defense- especially when they are not charged with a crime as is the usual case. The news people only have so much time- unless it is sensational it is not going to play- there are murders daily in this country, rapes, etc. and the majority of it might get a small story in the paper if anything.
Now if the murder involves controversial laws, race, or the rape involves teachers, teenagers, etc. then they will have a field day.
The NRA has a newsletter I think- armed citizen or some shit- that highlights proper self defense cases. So it is out there-but they have an agenda- the local news people have a different one.
So that means no day after day coverage about the crazy man willing to kill another person over the loss of his aggressive pet ?
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Post by EVT1 on May 9, 2014 19:56:21 GMT -5
Looks like he got what was coming threatening someone with a gun.
But for news stories has to be more to it- so you get stories like this- completely regular case of a police officer defending himself- BUT....against a 93 y/o woman
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/09/officer-shooting-93-year-old/8886487/
The TV station says Golden was apparently agitated that the Texas DPS had refused to renew her driver's license a few days earlier. When the nephew tried to take away her keys, Golden got upset, grabbed her gun and threatened him.
When Stem and another officer arrived, he asked the elderly woman to put down her weapon. When she refused, and allegedly continued to wave the gun, he shot her
Now they want the cop fired- so what's wrong with this picture?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 11:39:13 GMT -5
Looks like he got what was coming threatening someone with a gun.
But for news stories has to be more to it- so you get stories like this- completely regular case of a police officer defending himself- BUT....against a 93 y/o woman
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/09/officer-shooting-93-year-old/8886487/
The TV station says Golden was apparently agitated that the Texas DPS had refused to renew her driver's license a few days earlier. When the nephew tried to take away her keys, Golden got upset, grabbed her gun and threatened him.
When Stem and another officer arrived, he asked the elderly woman to put down her weapon. When she refused, and allegedly continued to wave the gun, he shot her
Now they want the cop fired- so what's wrong with this picture?
The nephew had no authority to take away her keys. This created the situation where she ended up threatening a police officer with a lethal weapon that she was well capable of using. Her age is irrelevent. He can want the cop fired all he wants, probably won't happen unless the internal affairs or equivelent of that police force turns up other information not in the news story. I'm not for or against the cops reaction to the situation as I wasn't there at the moment it happened, although waving guns around police officers pretty much ensures you're going to be shot.
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