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Post by billisonboard on Feb 25, 2011 13:46:52 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 25, 2011 13:47:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 14:01:42 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me years ago when Chicago police and firefighters were required to learn Spanish as part of their job requirement. You could of imagined how that went over with some of the 30/40 year veterans.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 25, 2011 14:14:25 GMT -5
As posted earlier, the entire event was probably a no-win situation for the police force.
If the mosque was going to host the event solely as a local "Appreciation Day" for the Tulsa police, why did CAIR get involved and issue the following statement?
"..........Ibrahim Hooper, the spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called the incident an example of “anti-Muslim bigotry.”............"
Further, why did the same Ibraham Hooper say CAIR was satisfied with the Captain having been transferred for refusing to order other officers to attend?
Am I wrong is making two observations? First Ibraham Hooper sounds like a home grown convert to islam just like home grown Cassuis Clay became Muhammed Ali when he converted. And second, CAIR is satisfied that making inroads into American society one police force at a time is good enough proof that their agenda is alive and well.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 25, 2011 14:15:08 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me years ago when Chicago police and firefighters were required to learn Spanish as part of their job requirement. You could of imagined how that went over with some of the 30/40 year veterans. Yes, like when their predecessors had to deal with the ending of bucket brigades. In a musical mood today:
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Post by henryclay on Feb 25, 2011 14:35:04 GMT -5
"........All they had to do was ask for voluteers. would have made it much simplier. ........"
Except that the customary way appreciation is shown in America is that the item demonstrating appeciation is delivered to the place that has earned the appreciation. In the case of a police force, how would attendance be effected anywhere else? The police force has people on duty 24/7 and are they supposed to desert their duties to attend? Of the ones not on duty, are they subject to showing up as "volunteers" at any or all of such "Appreciation" events? Shouldn't there be some organization to them, with somebody from among them to speak on their behalf, and if so, what position of authority should that person hold with regards to the other "volunteers"?
The more it gets dissected the more it looks, (to me), like a set-tp.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 25, 2011 14:54:06 GMT -5
All they had to do was ask for voluteers. would have made it much simplier. I'd bet real money they did, and when they didn't get any- that's when the "order" went out. Either way, the islamists have their headline: they have an example of some islamofobe hating them. It was either going to be a cop, or handful of cops-- or the whole dang department.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 25, 2011 15:00:44 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but the first red flag is a "law enforcement appreciation day" at a house of worship. I admit to being raised a Christian, and so my experience is limited to Christian houses of worship. To the best of my knowledge there's never been a Christian "law enforcement appreciation day" where police were invited to attend (or ordered to attend). Police and public servants may have been thanked from time to time during services like a 9.11.01 memorial service -- hey, that is a whole different topic. Has this mosque ever had a memorial service for 9.11.01 on or about that day since that event happened? Did they ever acknowledge the civilians-- muslim, jew, christian, athiest, including first responders that perished on that day?
IF THEY HAVE DONE SO, I will be happy to commend them. But again, I'd bet money they NEVER ONCE did.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 25, 2011 15:15:04 GMT -5
Moore says it is even an opportunity to educate Muslims since about 35% of the members of the mosque are immigrants. "In some of the lesser developed nations overseas, if the police come to your door in the middle of the night and you have spoken out against the president, you may disappear for a period of time. So when they come to the United States, they don't understand how the system works here and the positive relationship that American citizens have with the police," says Moore.
Moore says again the main reason for the 'appreciation day' is the amount of time and effort involved in handling the serious threat to the Islamic community in the past five months. And she adds this the fourth time the Islamic Society has held an open house for law enforcement with the goal being to strenghten the relationship between the law enforcement and Muslim community.http://krmg.com/localnews/2011/02/muslim-community-appreciation.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 15:34:53 GMT -5
This wasn't the first appreciation day... it was like the 3rd or 4th... and was to than officers specificaly for helping them through recent 5 month period in which they had been under threat and were working closely with the police department...
The Islamic Society of Tulsa Invites All Tulsa Law Enforcement to LAW ENFORCEMENT APPRECIATION DAY 4630 South Irvington Avenue, Tulsa 74137 FRIDAY, MARCH 4th, 2011 11:00am-5:30pm Casual Come & Go Atmosphere Come enjoy a Buffet of American & Ethnic Foods: Brownies & baklava Baked chicken & Chicken Tikka Masala Lots more!
Mosque Tours: 15 minutes or an hour- it’s up to you! Meet Local Muslims & Leadership Watch the 2-2:45pm weekly congregational prayer service Presentations upon request: beliefs, human rights, women All questions welcome!
For More Information: Sheryl Siddiqui 706-3595
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 25, 2011 15:44:01 GMT -5
Moore says it is even an opportunity to educate Muslims since about 35% of the members of the mosque are immigrants. "In some of the lesser developed nations overseas, if the police come to your door in the middle of the night and you have spoken out against the president, you may disappear for a period of time. So when they come to the United States, they don't understand how the system works here and the positive relationship that American citizens have with the police," says Moore.
Moore says again the main reason for the 'appreciation day' is the amount of time and effort involved in handling the serious threat to the Islamic community in the past five months. And she adds this the fourth time the Islamic Society has held an open house for law enforcement with the goal being to strenghten the relationship between the law enforcement and Muslim community.http://krmg.com/localnews/2011/02/muslim-community-appreciation.html Yeah, I read the official press release, too. Congratualtions- you can read. But can you understand?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 25, 2011 15:47:42 GMT -5
Here's the bottom line, and it's very simple: "Community Outreach" is no more a primary function of law enforcement than the annual police department holiday party. The officer in question didn't want to enter a house of worship- for whatever reason, or no reason at all- not his own, and he cannot be required to do so except for official police business. They can call this official business, and they can rationalize-- but the reality is the police department overstepped its authority irrespective of the motives of the fine Oklahoma muslims at this mosque. The officer didn't have to go, he didn't, and that would have been the end of it except CAIR got involved, and pushed the issue and the police responded to an outside pressure group instead of keeping it professional. When the sheriff comes up for re-election here-- I hope this is remembered.
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Post by b2r on Feb 25, 2011 16:21:50 GMT -5
American & Ethnic Foods: Brownies & baklava Baked chicken & Chicken Tikka Masala
Why not deliver this to the station?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2011 16:30:03 GMT -5
Mosques use open houses against Islamophobia How to battle fear and hatred of Islam? For dozens of mosques around the U.S. this week, one strategy has been to host open houses for non-Muslims that also aim at building religious relationships. The first national "week of dialogue" was born at a summit of U.S. Muslim leaders last month following the attack of a Muslim taxi driver in New York, the controversy over an Islamic center and mosque near New York's Ground Zero, and the threat by a Florida pastor to burn Qurans. In New York, some 20 mosques have held the open houses so far, said Zaheer Uddin, executive director of the Islamic Leadership Council of Metropolitan New York. Two Manhattan churches, a synagogue and a mosque also held an inter-faith service last Sunday attended by more than 300 people, Uddin said. The open houses include question-and-answer sessions, mosque tours and often visitors watching the start or finish of a prayer service, Uddin said. Seminars might also be held where scholars "focus on the commonalties between Abrahamic faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam," he added. For many, the visit has been their first time at a mosque, Uddin said, and "some are shocked to know that a Muslim could not be a Muslim until he/she believes in Jesus, Moses and Jacob." Mosques in Chicago, Ill., as well as dozens in cities across California, Texas and several other states also joined in. In Southern California, some 25 mosques participated in what was the region's 8th annual open house effort. "The average was 200 guests of various faith groups" at each mosque, said Shakeel Syed, executive director of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California. More: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39787200/ns/us_news-life/
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2011 16:34:17 GMT -5
American & Ethnic Foods: Brownies & baklava Baked chicken & Chicken Tikka MasalaWhy not deliver this to the station? You do something important for me which I am very thankful. Would it be all right to show my thanks by inviting you and your family to my house for a cook-out? Or should I cook the food on the grill and bring it to you.
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Post by b2r on Feb 25, 2011 16:53:58 GMT -5
My family is too large, we can not all attend. Will you bring it to me?
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Post by ihearyou2 on Feb 25, 2011 17:03:26 GMT -5
Community policing is imperative to building trust in law enforcement, with that said there needs to be latitude as far as exactly what steps need to be taken by said officer in order to accomplish this.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 25, 2011 17:07:53 GMT -5
There's no evidence that "community outreach" does any good whatsoever. To the contrary it is an expensive show that inhibits the real work of law enforcement. Simple as that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2011 17:08:51 GMT -5
My family is too large, we can not all attend. Will you bring it to me? My oldest can babysit for your children. Why don't just you and your spouse come.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 17:09:31 GMT -5
Actually Paul.. the local news i read stated directly that community outreach IS considered as important as call response...
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 25, 2011 17:09:45 GMT -5
There's no evidence that "community outreach" does any good whatsoever. To the contrary it is an expensive show that inhibits the real work of law enforcement. Simple as that. Really? Got any studies to back that up?
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Post by ihearyou2 on Feb 25, 2011 17:12:56 GMT -5
Bill Bratton is the man when it comes to what works as far as police departments and he was always big into community outreach its critical when the shit hits the fan. Its the difference between a riot and angry conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 17:16:44 GMT -5
There is so evidence that community outread works! Did you read that news report Tenn posted? ... you really do live in your own little world...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 25, 2011 17:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 25, 2011 17:45:09 GMT -5
*snickersnort*
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Post by henryclay on Feb 25, 2011 17:58:23 GMT -5
If the goal of the mosque was to soften relations with Tulsa law enforcement they must not have read much about how the law and community relatins work in America. And there is a more positive way to put a damper on "islamaphobia", whatever that is, than having police officers "tour" a mosque and try thr taste of bakalava. All the country, , , the entire country, , , needs is for mosques to begin helping reduce islamaterrorism.
And mosques are just items of architecture. It is the "people" who frequent the architecture that can influence relationships. We can begin by having CAIR show the way rather than make something out of it when anyone refuses to accept their stereotypes as representing islam. Show the stereotype to be the odd man out rather than the poster child for separatism and refusal to assilmlate.
When those "people" begin to separate themselves by word and deed from islamaradicalism I have a feeling a thread like this will take on a completely different tone.
Until then my vote goes to the Captain who refused to order others to attend the "Appreciation Day" event.
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