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Post by b2r on Feb 24, 2011 14:05:38 GMT -5
Okla. Police Captain Transferred for Refusing to Attend Muslim EventA Tulsa, OK police captain has filed a lawsuit against a superior after he was transferred following his refusal to attend a Muslim event. According to him, ordering him to attend the event was a violation of his religious convictions, and transferring him was religious retaliation. Capt. Paul Fields is currently under internal investigation for refusing an order to send officers to the Islamic Society of Tulsa’s Law Enforcement Appreciation Day held at a local mosque: “It is my opinion and that of my legal counsel that forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights,” Fields wrote in an internal police department memo obtained by Fox News. www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/23/oklahoma-police-captain-refuses-attend-islamic-event/#ixzz1Espv8JDNwww.theblaze.com/stories/okla-police-captain-transfered-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-event/No volunteers?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 24, 2011 14:12:56 GMT -5
Okla. Police Captain Transferred for Refusing to Attend Muslim EventA Tulsa, OK police captain has filed a lawsuit against a superior after he was transferred following his refusal to attend a Muslim event. According to him, ordering him to attend the event was a violation of his religious convictions, and transferring him was religious retaliation. Capt. Paul Fields is currently under internal investigation for refusing an order to send officers to the Islamic Society of Tulsa’s Law Enforcement Appreciation Day held at a local mosque: “It is my opinion and that of my legal counsel that forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights,” Fields wrote in an internal police department memo obtained by Fox News. www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/23/oklahoma-police-captain-refuses-attend-islamic-event/#ixzz1Espv8JDNwww.theblaze.com/stories/okla-police-captain-transfered-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-event/No volunteers? So did the police captain refused to attend the event or did he refuse an order to send some of his officers to attend the event? "According to him, ordering him to attend the event""refusing an order to send officers " "The Tulsa Police Deptartment is investigating a captain who refused an order to assign officers to attend an upcoming Islamic event because he said it would violate his religious beliefs." So the captain's religious beliefs supercede the religious beliefs of those under his command?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:15:18 GMT -5
I guess it will come down to whether or not public relations is found to be directly related to police service?
He wasn't asked to attend a Muslim event... it was a Law Enforcement Appreciation Event.
Did he ask for volunteers?
I can see protesting if you were asked to attend a Muslim service ... but this isn't the same thing...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:15:35 GMT -5
Hope he wins!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 24, 2011 14:24:23 GMT -5
Shortly after noon Tuesday, the Tulsa Police Department issued a statement about the controversy:
"The Tulsa Police Department has been invited to a Law Enforcement Appreciation Event at the Islamic Society of Tulsa. One of the Department's missions is that of Community Outreach. To facilitate this effort, the Police Department determined this event was a community outreach opportunity and attendance was appropriate.
This community outreach event is a function of community policing which is every bit as much a part of this department's mission as call response. This event is an opportunity to meet the public we serve, exchange information and build trust.
Furthermore, the Department never has and never will select who we provide services for based on race, religion, gender, ethnicity or preferences. Police officers often are required to contact citizens of diverse backgrounds and provide equal service regardless of any real or perceived bias.
Contrary to what may have already been reported in scheduling this event, the Police Department and the Islamic Society of Tulsa very deliberately arranged attendance so that officers need not participate in any religious discussion or observance that would create any discomfort or inconvenience for them.
The Tulsa Police Department is disappointed that our department's position has been so thoroughly misstated." [Thanks, Faux News"]
Based on this, the thread title is not accurate. It wasn't a "Muslim event". The event was a community outreach event that took place in a mosque. None of the attendees were required to be present during a religious ceremony. What if an atheist officer were ordered to attend a community outreach event in a church? Should he be exempted because of his religious beliefs?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:38:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure.. I would think that being a cop would put you in lots of situations that most people would not want to be in. Can you refuse to go to one of those situations because of religious beliefs? I do not know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:41:56 GMT -5
Yeah, i would have fired the guy too... it sounds just to me... thanks for the extra info gardening...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 15:07:26 GMT -5
A police officer may refuse a request- because he cannot be 'ordered' to attend a civic organization's events. I wonder where we'd be if he'd refused to attend a KKK "law enforcement appreciation day"? Not only does an "order" to attend such an event violate his civil rights, the department's participation in the event actually helps this hate group orchestrate propaganda.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 24, 2011 15:11:46 GMT -5
Not only does an "order" to attend such an event violate his civil rights, the department's participation in the event actually helps this hate group orchestrate propaganda.um, proof? wow. edit: bold didn't work the first time.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 15:11:46 GMT -5
The police department is wrong. Entering the mosque is the offensive thing to this officer. Entering a house of worship that one holds sacreligeous cannot be required. Period.
I think the police department fell for a scam here. They got roped into a scheme on the part of this group to make "Islamic" look good, when it clearly doesn't. Rather than allow them to cozy up to the police, the police really needed to be keeping tabs on the group like they woud any hate group, organized crime syndicate, or violent street gang.
I have $1 that says before the end of the day, I will be able to successfully identify seditious language, religious hate speech, and possible terror connections of this group and its leadership. Ready? Go!
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 15:15:46 GMT -5
The police department is wrong. Entering the mosque is the offensive thing to this officer. Entering a house of worship that one holds sacreligeous cannot be required. Period. I think the police department fell for a scam here. They got roped into a scheme on the part of this group to make "Islamic" look good, when it clearly doesn't. Rather than allow them to cozy up to the police, the police really needed to be keeping tabs on the group like they woud any hate group, organized crime syndicate, or violent street gang. I have $1 that says before the end of the day, I will be able to successfully identify seditious language, religious hate speech, and possible terror connections of this group and its leadership. Ready? Go! LOL - I would take you up on it - but I really don't like losing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 15:21:35 GMT -5
Interesting. While I would like cops there to watch them, I can see the point here. I would hope most mosques have undercover people watching them, any way, but under this administration-- maybe not. As far as the "social" part of Islam-- I read all about that during the NYC mosque debate, and it is BS-- all part of the big plan to spread their murderous religion across the globe.The "community outreach" program is clearly defined in the Muslim Brotherhood doctrine.
This reminds me of trying to force pro-life doctors to perform abortions. Violation of civil rights.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 15:29:06 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Feb 24, 2011 15:34:48 GMT -5
Not all Muslims are out to murder people. I recently watched a great Bollywood movie about terrorism in which a professor turns around a terrorist by the end of the movie. Fairly early in the movie they are discussing a passage in the Koran which some Muslims use a reason to kill non-Muslims. The professor character pointed out he was interpreting the passages incorrectly and how he read it.
Islam is all over the globe just like Christianity. If all Muslims were trying to kill all non-Muslims the globe would have been a much bloodier place than it has been. Does anyone feel those Westboro Baptists represent all Baptists?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 15:36:46 GMT -5
Why do the links in your sources never work Paul? ....
This was in... 2006? I'm looking for it...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 15:44:33 GMT -5
The ban was lifted in December 2006... and he dropped his lawsuit in 2008, so i can't read any court documents which might detail more than he said she said...
You guys really freak me out... I would like cops there to watch them... you don't see why public outreach might be necessary to better understand one another?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 15:50:00 GMT -5
Oh, man- this was too easy. I can't even post it all. I'm trying to narrow it all down. Back in a moment. In the mean time, what I found out about the officer is that he is a 16 year, highly decorated police veteran without spot or blemish on his record. The records of the leadership of the Islamic Center of Tulsa is a little murkier...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 15:52:08 GMT -5
Not all Muslims are out to murder people. I recently watched a great Bollywood movie about terrorism in which a professor turns around a terrorist by the end of the movie. Fairly early in the movie they are discussing a passage in the Koran which some Muslims use a reason to kill non-Muslims. The professor character pointed out he was interpreting the passages incorrectly and how he read it. Islam is all over the globe just like Christianity. If all Muslims were trying to kill all non-Muslims the globe would have been a much bloodier place than it has been. Does anyone feel those Westboro Baptists represent all Baptists? This isn't about islam, it's about the Islamic Center of Tulsa and whether an officer can be ordered to attend a ceremony there as part of "community outreach". Would you support an order that he attend "law enforcement appreciation day" put on by the Westboro Baptists? That's more to the point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 15:56:22 GMT -5
The sources WITHIN the article he posted... i never trust at face value... i like to check original sources, particularly when the 'article' is a blog or something like it... but the links within his 'article' ... the citations which were used to authenticate the article... were not active...
The admin determined it to be Outreach. They ordered him to send officers. He did not follow the order. He interjected his own prejudices into the situation, which is what Outreach is supposed to help correct... I don't know how one DOESN"T question how he would handle himself if called to the defense of a muslim person? When he is incapable of even attending an outreach program honoring police officers... how does he hope to protect the rights of American mulsims? ...
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Post by Opti on Feb 24, 2011 15:58:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't support an outreach to the Westboro Baptists but that's not what was asked. If this Islamic Center is one of the bad ones it is a problem, if its not I think doing outreach is a good idea. Just because its an Islamic Center doesn't make it by definition bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 16:00:12 GMT -5
If Baptists were a segment of the local community which was notoriously thought of as outsiders and not clearly understood, and the administration deemed it detrimental to keeping the peace that this type of adversarial relationship be allowed to continue (ie. mistrust had the potential to keep the police from adequately performing their public service duties)... then i would see it happening. I'm thinking i could see it happening more with Mormons maybe than Baptists? ...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 24, 2011 16:02:03 GMT -5
palmbeachpaul-So you equate any and all who worship at a mosque with the Westboro Baptists?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 16:55:26 GMT -5
palmbeachpaul-So you equate any and all who worship at a mosque with the Westboro Baptists? No, I equate people that worship at the Islamic Center of Tulsa with the Westboro Baptists- though to be fair to the Westboro Baptists, they are not to my knowledge an arm of the Wahabbi sect from Saudi Arabia, and they don't hold fundraisers for Hamas and other terrorist groups. I knew this story smelled when CAIR chimed in- CAIR is the full time apologists for Islamofascists so when they had a comment about the officer "not going to muslim event because 'basically he doesn't like muslims' I knew what this group was-- and all my research is bearing it out. They're a front group for terrorists right here in America's heartland-- and there's a pattern for this that is well established in Europe so we really shouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 17:10:03 GMT -5
I'd love so see some of those links Paul... Thanks.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 17:29:37 GMT -5
I'd love so see some of those links Paul... Thanks. Well, it should be enough that they booted someone for anti-jihad, anti-violence, anti-al quaeda sentiments expressed in an op-ed. But I'll get you more links.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 17:45:58 GMT -5
This mosque- The Islamic Center of Tulsa- is part of the Islamic Society of Tulsa (IST). The IST was founded by Mujeeb Cheema.
Who is Mujeeb Cheema? That's where the research gets interesting. Basically, he's a cog in a great big multi-organizational (almost looks like for the deliberate purpose of money-laundering) web of islamic this and that's that trace back to Saudi Arabia.
In fact, near as I can tell-- other than Saudi Arabia-- the US has the most mosques under the direct or indirect control of wahabis-- 80% to 85%.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 17:51:39 GMT -5
Yes... i see where he said that is why he was booted... but i don't see anything besides his assertion... i usually like something a little more third party/removed than that... he was unbanned within 2 months and dropped his lawsuit in 2008, so i'm not sure what happned there...
Do you have a link between ICof T and IST? Thanks.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 24, 2011 17:57:57 GMT -5
I wonder how many Christian organizations help fund Israeli violations of rights... or help fund Ugandan violations.
How many threads are there going to be before someone tags what Paul and Krickitt say as hate speech?
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