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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 6:33:22 GMT -5
news.msn.com/us/engineered-salmon-may-be-a-tough-sellGenetic engineering of the food supply. What is your opinion on this practice? Do you care if your food evolved naturally vs got some juiced up gene splicing? I don't like it. Companies want to convince you it is for your own good and improves the food supply. I think it is propaganda to support their own profit motives.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 3, 2014 7:58:33 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit I have issues with this. I'm told the genetically engineered fish doesn't taste very good and has a poor mouth feel.
I also think we've been doing genetic engineering on the food supply for thousands of years, to develop less hairy cows, pretty colors, more milk, more meat, bigger ears of corn, faster growing wheat, etc. I don't have a problem with the older methods, because there were slower and usually checked out A to B to C to E. They may have skipped a little but not like the world today.
I'm concerned about reactions further down the line for my kids and the planet.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Apr 3, 2014 8:07:41 GMT -5
I have not even eat farm raised fish... Ick!
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Post by milee on Apr 3, 2014 8:24:12 GMT -5
Torn on this one. I like the concept and think it has huge merit and potential, but am also concerned that it's difficult to predict the unintended consequences...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 8:24:59 GMT -5
I eat McDonald's burgers. It doesn't get any weirder than that, so I would not have an issue.
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Post by swamp on Apr 3, 2014 8:25:40 GMT -5
I'll eat anything.
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Post by sheilaincali on Apr 3, 2014 8:45:56 GMT -5
Nope. A because I hate cooked fish (but love sushi) and B because the whole idea kind of creeps me out.
I've watched one too many documentaries on what they do to food animals (cows, chickens, pigs) and their living conditions. We were vegetarians for four years and when we started eating meat again we made a conscious effort to only eat farm raised products. We don't buy meat from the grocery store. I am lucky in that I have a good friend that's a farmer. He calls me up when he has 7 or 8 pigs going to the butcher and asks if I want half of a pig. I call the butcher directly to arrange what cuts I want and pick it up a week or two later. He does the same thing with chickens and cows too. I've known him for 10 years and his MIL and wife for longer than that. I've been to his farm and have every confidence in the meat I buy from him.
So yeah NO, I'm not eating fish that came out of a lab and experiments.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 3, 2014 8:51:50 GMT -5
Wouldn't bother me. EVERYTHING you eat contains DNA. DNA cannot survive in stomach acid. So you're not going to turn into an X-men or grow a third eye if you eat genetically modified foods. It's no different than anything else you consume. I could eat a colony of genetically modified mice (not that I really want to) and it's not going to harm me.
I am concerned about our food supply in that with genetic modifying we're slowly eliminating genetic diversity. You have to buy your stock from the company and all their seeds are patented with the same genetic code. Another "potato famine" situation is right around the corner
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Post by zibazinski on Apr 3, 2014 9:03:08 GMT -5
Is anyone sure we haven't already?
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Post by tloonya on Apr 3, 2014 11:11:57 GMT -5
I haven't read anything in that article that tells why is it bad. However I am trying to eat fresh water fish...and shrimp. It taste so much healthier. Yes. Taste healthier. More money but eat less. Buy 1lb instead of 2 and add greens. I swear it taste healthier.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 3, 2014 11:48:50 GMT -5
I would eat it. It's still a fish, my stomach would still digest it the same way. It won't rearrange my DNA because I eat it.
I have mixed feelings on genetic manipulation. On one hand, in theory, it can be very beneficial. THey've taken rice and added a gene to produce beta-carotene, creating a golden rice with vitamin A, which is scarce in developing countries. If they substituted this rice for the regular rice they grow, it could potentially save millions of lives.
The concern I have, though, is when some of these GMO get out into the natural environment. We do not have a great track record with introducing non-GMO species into the environment - here in the SOuth, the kutzu vine, which was supposed to prevent erosion, has literally eaten big segments of our landscape. Starlings are another example of a pleasent idea gone horribly wrong. I'm concerned that the GMO's will also have these unintended consequences.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 3, 2014 12:15:50 GMT -5
You'll eat it if you're hungry enough. My guess is ultimately this is the way food production will go, and your choice will be to grow your own food, or buy the genetically engineered stuff. Heck, we probably already have eaten genetically engineered food.
And as Wisconsinbeth said, there's been "genetic engineering" of food for thousands of years. You could even consider your dog a product of genetic engineering.
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Post by kittensaver on Apr 3, 2014 12:19:24 GMT -5
You'll eat it if you're hungry enough. My guess is ultimately this is the way food production will go, and your choice will be to grow your own food, or buy the genetically engineered stuff. Heck, we probably already have eaten genetically engineered food. If any time in the past 5 years or so you have eaten any food product with corn or soy that is not organic you have eaten GMO "food." It is estimated that 80-90% of the commercial corn and soy crops in this country are GMO. Corn cereal, corn chips, corn snacks . . . soy in beverages, snack bars, all kinds of processed foods . . . Yep, you've done it
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Post by dannylion on Apr 3, 2014 13:27:28 GMT -5
I eat my own cooking. I am apparently not particular.
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Post by beenherebefore on Apr 3, 2014 15:05:22 GMT -5
I'd rather not eat genetically engineered fish, but of course, if I had to, I would.
One of the man concerns I have has already been mentioned, what happens when these fish comingle with natural fish and I'm also very concerned that there is proper labeling. I want to know which fish on the counter is natural and which is altered.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 3, 2014 15:24:31 GMT -5
I just find it amusing that people are debating wheather or not they'd eat engineered food. At the end of the day, your morals and values don't hold up long in the face of starvation. If there was famine and food shortages, you'd get to a point where you'd eat just about anything, and be glad to do it.
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Post by dannylion on Apr 3, 2014 16:15:39 GMT -5
After giving this some thought, I have realized that I would probably eat genetically engineered cardboard if there was enough bacon or bleu cheese dressing to go with it.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 3, 2014 16:22:16 GMT -5
After giving this some thought, I have realized that I would probably eat genetically engineered cardboard if there was enough bacon or bleu cheese dressing to go with it. If it doesn't taste good, just slather BBQ sauce on it until it does.
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Post by beenherebefore on Apr 3, 2014 16:26:09 GMT -5
Or tartar sauce?
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 3, 2014 17:12:49 GMT -5
I think we need to approach GMO's a little cautiously. But, much of what we already consume is some kind of a GMO organism. And some of them can be beneficial, despite the reservations we might have about GMO's.
Ever eat anything but a wild chicken or turkey? GMO, bred specifically for more breast meat and faster growth. A turkey used to be a big deal. Now it's on almost every Thanskgiving table. I'm thinkin that means an increase in the turkey portion of the food supply.
Ever eat anything made with corn? Chances are it was GMO corn. Dad talks about corn crops back in the 30's and 40's being 40 bushels an acres, in a very good year. Today, a poor year in many parts of the corn belt is 150 bushels an acre and yields in the range of 170 - 180 bushels an acre aren't unheard of. Thanks to GMO corn, fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides, a 400% increase in the portion of the food supply provided by corn.
If you're completely opposed to better living thorugh chemistry, you might consider giving up all of your prescriptions and never take one in the future. After all, we have a lot more evidence that bad prescriptions cause serious problems than we do that GMO food is a problem.
Really, my biggest concern about GMO food products is that they tend to reduce the natural bio-diversity of our food supply. Massive amounts of cheap food that is only a couple of strains. Think about what would happen if we had something similar to a potato famine that attacked our only strain of corn, rice, beef, pork, etc. in a short period of time. In fact, it's happening right now. Have you checked pork prices lately? I've seen the cost of some pork products increase 30% in the last week. Why? A swine virus is killing more than 75% of baby pigs before they are a few weeks old. Might want to think about stocking up on bacon before it's $20 a pound.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 17:45:01 GMT -5
I try not to eat GMO's. I have a friend who worked on a fish farm off the coast here, she told me not to ever eat farmed salmon. had a few stories about the entire operation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 17:49:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't say its a given that your body will digest it the same way...
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Post by tskeeter on Apr 3, 2014 17:58:30 GMT -5
I try not to eat GMO's. I have a friend who worked on a fish farm off the coast here, she told me not to ever eat farmed salmon. had a few stories about the entire operation. Truth is, to most folks who didn't grow up on farms, the realities of raising livestock of any kind are gretty gross. But, if you guys all become vegans, that'll leave more tasty animals for me!
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Post by moon/Laura on Apr 3, 2014 18:00:03 GMT -5
I am torn on this too. I like some fish, but the mercury levels in the water these days is also a concern. And then, just for grins, let's toss in nuclear accident contamination, like from Fukushima. So, what's worse?
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Post by kittensaver on Apr 3, 2014 18:59:32 GMT -5
I think we need to approach GMO's a little cautiously. But, much of what we already consume is some kind of a GMO organism. And some of them can be beneficial, despite the reservations we might have about GMO's. Ever eat anything but a wild chicken or turkey? GMO, bred specifically for more breast meat and faster growth. A turkey used to be a big deal. Now it's on almost every Thanskgiving table. I'm thinkin that means an increase in the turkey portion of the food supply. Ever eat anything made with corn? Chances are it was GMO corn. Dad talks about corn crops back in the 30's and 40's being 40 bushels an acres, in a very good year. Today, a poor year in many parts of the corn belt is 150 bushels an acre and yields in the range of 170 - 180 bushels an acre aren't unheard of. Thanks to GMO corn, fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides, a 400% increase in the portion of the food supply provided by corn. If you're completely opposed to better living thorugh chemistry, you might consider giving up all of your prescriptions and never take one in the future. After all, we have a lot more evidence that bad prescriptions cause serious problems than we do that GMO food is a problem. Really, my biggest concern about GMO food products is that they tend to reduce the natural bio-diversity of our food supply. Massive amounts of cheap food that is only a couple of strains. Think about what would happen if we had something similar to a potato famine that attacked our only strain of corn, rice, beef, pork, etc. in a short period of time. In fact, it's happening right now. Have you checked pork prices lately? I've seen the cost of some pork products increase 30% in the last week. Why? A swine virus is killing more than 75% of baby pigs before they are a few weeks old. Might want to think about stocking up on bacon before it's $20 a pound. Just to be clear - there is a HUGE difference between hybridizing (mixing the genes of different strains of the same organism or of similar organisms) and genetic modification (removing a gene or gene sequence and replacing with genetic material from something totally foreign/not related to the organism). Crossing tomatoes, corn, birds, people, horses with donkeys, lions with tigers: hybrid. Many times a natural occurence (crops that cross as a result of wind drift is a perfect example). Can also be man-made (as in - AI or other types of animal cross-breeding in captive situations). Removing DNA from corn and inserting a lab-developed synthetic gene to make the corn more readily accept Monsanto's synthetic pesticide Round Up: GMO. This is a whole 'nuther animal (so to speak). I share with others some pretty huge concerns about this. All the folks who are telling us this is perfectly okay and harmless are lying - truth is, current reliable (uninvolved, third-party) science is saying that the consequences and outcomes at this point are unknown. The folks that are saying it's okay are the paid shills of the people who stand to gain financially from GMOs. But as always - YMMV.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 3, 2014 19:43:09 GMT -5
I only eat fish my son catches. And yes, the waters off Kodiak are probably tainted but I haven't started glowing yet I don't buy fish/shrimp from grocery store. Google feeding tilapia pig feces.
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Post by Tiny on Apr 3, 2014 20:19:40 GMT -5
I only eat fish my son catches. And yes, the waters off Kodiak are probably tainted but I haven't started glowing yet I don't buy fish/shrimp from grocery store. Google feeding tilapia pig feces. You do know that chicken manure becomes cow food right? And that Cows are carnivorous (cause they eat ground up left over bits of other meat processing) and may even be cannibals? Right?
Our whole food chain is pretty crazy.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Apr 3, 2014 20:21:34 GMT -5
I only eat fish my son catches. And yes, the waters off Kodiak are probably tainted but I haven't started glowing yet I don't buy fish/shrimp from grocery store. Google feeding tilapia pig feces. You do know that chicken manure becomes cow food right? And that Cows are carnivorous (cause they eat ground up left over bits of other meat processing) and may even be cannibals? Right?
Our whole food chain is pretty crazy.
And that is why I don't eat meat or chicken
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Post by Tiny on Apr 3, 2014 20:27:27 GMT -5
You do know that chicken manure becomes cow food right? And that Cows are carnivorous (cause they eat ground up left over bits of other meat processing) and may even be cannibals? Right?
Our whole food chain is pretty crazy.
And that is why I don't eat meat or chicken LOL! I'm slowly but surely moving away from eating 'critters' as well. I've never really liked fish (a bad experience as a kid with the bones in fish - nothing life threatening - just a whole lot of EWWWW!!! and a strong dislike of finding crunchy things in food I'm not expecting to be crunch.) Other sea food reminds me of Bugs... ICK! But, in all honesty I may have a cocktail shrimp or two at the Holidays and I may have a tuna salad sandwich once in a blue moon.
So, I'll stay out of the genetically engineer seafood debate as I barely eat 'seafood' as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 23:04:12 GMT -5
I agree with kittensaver: Hybridizing is completely different than gene splicing or strand segment manipulation.
I am aware that corn and yellow squash are mostly GMO. I stopped eating those a couple years ago unless specifically indicated non-GMO. Lots of farms thought they were non GMO wheat and surprise surprise somehow the seeds distributed were GMO!! That has not been explained yet and the farmers were very unhappy.
I disagree that nothing can come of products you digest (no comment from Archie please). When they were pumping cows and chickens full of hormones humans ingesting the products had higher hormone levels. You absorb nutrients, so you would also absorb things that are maybe not so good for you. I think far too little time studies on GMO. Medical devices have to jump through more hoops than mad-scientist GMO inventions.
Farm salmon is bad. It has brought a bacteria into our ocean that is lethal to natural salmon. Population damage projections are very bad. Unintended? Sloppy Work? They should have never allowed farm salmon in ocean pens. It was someone's great idea and now they will destroy salmon as we know it.
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