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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 22:31:48 GMT -5
I think you probably rely on mainstream right wing media and blog type sources which support your preconceived notions... I doubt you do much journal reading, or look at international news sources, or at least multiple domestic news sources, i'm guessing you don't do a lot of primary source reading, that most of your research is provided not just by a secondary source, but by a biased secondary source who has filtered or manipulated the information/data to support their thesis... It can be difficult to find completely unbiased sources, even primary sources are going to be written with the author's bias and context... and we all would rather assimilate than accomdate, but reading only one side, especially the side you want to hear, is always problematic... I read everything I can get my hands on - I also worked on a few of these issues before I retired - I have been in court rooms and then read the news accounting the next day - some times they are spot on and other times only the names remain the same I try to balance my sources and to apply my life's experiences and common sense to reach a judgment, conclusion etc. And surprisingly after arguing with a lot of you at times I do look at something with a different point of view. I know I can sound very judge mental, but sometimes I actually do come away with a new point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 22:36:51 GMT -5
What topic Henry? I'll look for something...
I perfer .org and yes even .gov sources. Sometimes .edu, depending always of course... anyone can be a nonprofit or college it seems these days...
Like i said earlier about something Paul posted... i like to follow thing back to their sources and then their sources, to see if i can find out where it started, and if it is accurately represented...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 22:43:34 GMT -5
What topic Henry? I'll look for something... I perfer .org and yes even .gov sources. Sometimes .edu, depending always of course... anyone can be a nonprofit or college it seems these days... Like i said earlier about something Paul posted... i like to follow thing back to their sources and then their sources, to see if i can find out where it started, and if it is accurately represented... .org sources can be very biased - but following them back to sources - not bad
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 24, 2011 22:54:18 GMT -5
Ok. Question. Why are Madrassas bad, but Christian schools good?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 22:57:19 GMT -5
Ok. Question. Why are Madrassas bad, but Christian schools good? Madrassas - as I understand them - basically teach Islam, have the students memorize the koran Christians schools teach - besides religion - English, grammar etc., a foreign language, math, science, maybe art and music
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 24, 2011 23:03:47 GMT -5
Ok. Question. Why are Madrassas bad, but Christian schools good? Madrassas - as I understand them - basically teach Islam, have the students memorize the koran Christians schools teach - besides religion - English, grammar etc., a foreign language, math, science, maybe art and music Ahh. So basically they're bad because you have no idea what a Madrassa is, it being the exact equivalent of a private Catholic school in the US. Just making sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 23:15:56 GMT -5
Henry... for instance, take the Tulsa police officer thing... I go to google and put in a search and a whole lot of stuff comes up... the first thing i'd choose is Tulsa world... because its local. From that, i get a few things 1) that the Appreciation Event was specifically set up by the mosque to thank the police for responding to a recent threat against it. 2) the ways in which the orders and responses were defined and progressed... with words from the people actually involved. 3) the unique nature and progress of the suit I found it interesting: www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=14&articleid=20110224_14_A1_ULNSbp591004&allcom=1Then i went to look up the Islamic Society of Tulsa... I found another local interview krmg.com/localnews/2011/02/muslim-community-appreciation.html Which gives more details of the recent... 5 month period in which the IST worked closely with police, and the knoweldge that this is, in fact, the 4th open house type reception they have held for law enforcement... This is also detailed on the organization's web site. I found their constitution, which i read, and gave me an idea of their professed goals. I found some info on the case Paul posted, but mostly about how the case was dropped... anything about the actual case, and a few other 'this speaker at the IST was found to say blank"... but they were all at thinkpad and didn't lead anywhere solid... I did like the letter to the editor written by one of their admin, and reproduced here... ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/files/TIA_0712_adobe.pdfYou start to get the idea?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 23:35:02 GMT -5
Madrassas - as I understand them - basically teach Islam, have the students memorize the koran Christians schools teach - besides religion - English, grammar etc., a foreign language, math, science, maybe art and music Ahh. So basically they're bad because you have no idea what a Madrassa is, it being the exact equivalent of a private Catholic school in the US. Just making sure. No - I think you are the one that does not understand, or chooses to not understand Catholic school kids aren't turning into jihadists
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 24, 2011 23:40:38 GMT -5
Madrassas aren't necessarily turning kids into jihadists, either, vonnie. That would be done by an individual. Madrassas teach solid, core subjects just like any other school. They also teach Arabic, and the Qur'an. If the instructor in Islamic studies is teaching terrorism to children, something needs to be done, I'd agree. However, that is not true of every Madrassa there is. You're painting with far too broad a brush, Vonnie.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 24, 2011 23:42:50 GMT -5
Neither are the vast majority of Madrassas. We'll also just ignore the whole IRA thing.
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Post by swamp on Feb 25, 2011 8:53:12 GMT -5
Neither are the vast majority of Madrassas. We'll also just ignore the whole IRA thing. But Sinn Fein is different..................
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