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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 24, 2011 13:09:09 GMT -5
I read several of the other MSN boards. Always interesting and sometimes very informative.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 24, 2011 13:11:37 GMT -5
I routinely go to the Lifestyle forums and read the Dating, Miss Manners, Marriage & couplehood, etc... to see what the chicks are up to and what they are plotting against us innocent guys... gotta keep on top of this stuff...
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 24, 2011 13:14:45 GMT -5
Keep in mind the more the radical nuts talk the more they discredit themselves. So let them talk and people will see what they are really about and lose any non-muslim support they hoped for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 13:15:24 GMT -5
Oh, come on!! Women are easy to figure out. Some love men, some hate men-- stay away from the haters and you will be just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 13:18:46 GMT -5
Okay, Tennnnnnn-- let's brawl. Sure, let the McVeigh followers rally at the white house, even though they are homegrown terrorists. Maybe we can get the Manson family as a warm up act. This guy-- did you watch the videos I posted??? He is a follower of Osama Bin Laden-- says it right out loud on national TV to Hannity. That makes him a terrorist in my book. Unless, of course, you do not believe Bin Laden is a terrorist. Come on, tenn-- "get a little bloody". Do YOU consider Osama Bin Laden a terrorist?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 13:22:42 GMT -5
I don't know, handyman. I posted 2 videos where this guy makes his beliefs known, and then had a "progressive" still defend him. They either skip over the proof or deny it. Hard to figure out, but it is like the Muslim extremists are immune from inspection. All I can guess is that these people are among the ones that blame the USA for 9/11 and everything else bad in the world, which, to them, lets the terrorists off the hook. To ME it makes them as good as terrorists themselves. Enabling the people that want to cut your head off is weird, IMO.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 24, 2011 13:26:04 GMT -5
Oh, come on!! Women are easy to figure out. Some love men, some hate men-- stay away from the haters and you will be just fine.They all are plotting.....
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 24, 2011 13:37:15 GMT -5
Okay, Tennnnnnn-- let's brawl. Sure, let the McVeigh followers rally at the white house, even though they are homegrown terrorists. Maybe we can get the Manson family as a warm up act. This guy-- did you watch the videos I posted??? He is a follower of Osama Bin Laden-- says it right out loud on national TV to Hannity. That makes him a terrorist in my book. Unless, of course, you do not believe Bin Laden is a terrorist. Come on, tenn-- "get a little bloody". Do YOU consider Osama Bin Laden a terrorist? krickitt-we as a nation, at least most of us, find the KKK and all they have stood for past and present repulsive. Yet they are allowed to march and hold rallies as long as they have a permit and their marches and rallies are peaceful. The KKK used to hang black people just because they were black. They have a history of violence and on occasion that violence does raise its ugly head within some of the more fundamentalist groups. As long as this Iman's demonstration is peaceful, he and his followers have a right to rally in front of the White House. We do allow pro-life rallies in front of the White House, don't we? And some pro-life supporters have taken the law into their own hands and blown up abortion clinics and murdered abortion providers. So should pro-life groups have their right to hold rallies in front of the White House outlawed because of a few?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 13:44:02 GMT -5
I don't think he should be allowed to enter our country.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:10:00 GMT -5
Exalt, vonnie. Tenn-- let's be clear here. Pro-life rallies are not pro the latest abortion doctor killer (by name) support groups. This guy SAID on TV that he follows Osama Bin Laden. Do YOU consider Osama Bin Laden to be a terrorist? If he is a terrorist-- what are his followers?? Even King Obama is after this Al Walauki (sp) dude as a terrorist. He is a TEACHER of radicals, and is targeted for death by the USA. This guy is not. WHY??? He is from the same exact school of thought. Kissing up to Muslim extremists is what it is. This guy will not be targeted by Obama until it is proved he is connected to someone like Hassan, which it will, in time. Retroactive assaults on these radical IMAMs does not save lives. We round up the little fishies, like in TX today, but we let the big ones go until they do something that the gov't can no longer deny.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:11:51 GMT -5
Exalt, vonnie. Tenn-- let's be clear here. Pro-life rallies are not pro the latest abortion doctor killer (by name) support groups. This guy SAID on TV that he follows Osama Bin Laden. Do YOU consider Osama Bin Laden to be a terrorist? If he is a terrorist-- what are his followers?? Even King Obama is after this Al Walauki (sp) dude as a terrorist. He is a TEACHER of radicals, and is targeted for death by the USA. This guy is not. WHY??? He is from the same exact school of thought. Kissing up to Muslim extremists is what it is. This guy will not be targeted by Obama until it is proved he is connected to someone like Hassan, which it will, in time. Retroactive assaults on these radical IMAMs does not save lives. We round up the little fishies, like in TX today, but we let the big ones go until they do something that the gov't can no longer deny.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 24, 2011 14:15:59 GMT -5
Sorry krickitt. Either everyone has the right to peacefully rally/protest or no one does.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:23:38 GMT -5
Sorry krickitt. Either everyone has the right to peacefully rally/protest or no one does. Ah yes - but this he does not have the automatic right to even enter our country
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:26:47 GMT -5
People that think like that will never get it, vonnie. Even after a Nidal Hassan or a panty bomber-- they never get it.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:37:26 GMT -5
People that think like that will never get it, vonnie. Even after a Nidal Hassan or a panty bomber-- they never get it. Unfortunately, I believe you are correct on this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:39:57 GMT -5
The man did not commit a crime. He is not announcing his intentions to commit a crime. Do you want him arrested for 'thought crimes'?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 24, 2011 14:42:24 GMT -5
I've got to go with the more conservative posters on this one. If the speakers/leaders were American citizens, or held permanent visas, it would be different. However, to import someone just for the purpose of fomenting dissent in this country, to me, is over the line. Personally, I'd escort him right back onto whatever airline he debarks from.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by steff on Feb 24, 2011 14:43:42 GMT -5
Freedom of religion doesn't seem to go very far when it's not one of the acceptable chosen religions.....the right to peaceful protest is another one that doesn't seem to be allowed unless you are from the 'right' side of the aisle and support the 'right' choice.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:44:06 GMT -5
I've got to go with the more conservative posters on this one. If the speakers/leaders were American citizens, or held permanent visas, it would be different. However, to import someone just for the purpose of fomenting dissent in this country, to me, is over the line. Personally, I'd escort him right back onto whatever airline he debarks from. I agree with you here - freedom of speech for residents but ....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:45:57 GMT -5
I know the group he once belonged to was banned? I'm not sure what his current visa status is? But if he can do an interview on Fox... then i guess he can rally if he wants too... ?? Did he 'go back', or is he still here? Did you have a problem with fox having him on the air? Or was that ok?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:46:13 GMT -5
Freedom of religion doesn't seem to go very far when it's not one of the acceptable chosen religions.....the right to peaceful protest is another one that doesn't seem to be allowed unless you are from the 'right' side of the aisle and support the 'right' choice. This isn't as much a question of religion as a question of government - he is threatening the existence of our way of life.
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Post by steff on Feb 24, 2011 14:47:44 GMT -5
he is threatening the existence of our way of life.
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the same could be said about a number of our own politicians from both sides of the aisle..... again, if one doesn't stand on the 'right' side, your beliefs and rights don't seem to matter much....
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:48:30 GMT -5
I know the group he once belonged to was banned? I'm not sure what his current visa status is? But if he can do an interview on Fox... then i guess he can rally if he wants too... ?? Did he 'go back', or is he still here? Did you have a problem with fox having him on the air? Or was that ok? Fox interviews people outside the country fairly often - I would just as soon never hear this guy, but if he wants to talk, demonstrate or whatever in another country - he can have at it as far as I am concerned - I just do not see any good in allowing our enemies access to our country
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 24, 2011 14:48:30 GMT -5
If the U.S. government wants to ban this loud mouth from entering the country I am perfectly okay with it it. But if the U.S. government allows him to enter the country then he is free to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 14:49:23 GMT -5
No... he is advocating for change... as many people do... he has little to no hope of influencing anyone, let along a majority, to go along with his idea of change... You give him MORE power by demonstrating against him...
This is something they learned about KKK rallies a long time ago... if you stage a protest, then you just give them more attention... what they started doing was going to the other side of town and building a bigger party, celebrating the positive things that the KKK likes to rail against... you don't even mention the KKK... you just make sure everyone know about the Families Coming Together Carnival (or whatever) on the other side of the park....
... I didn't even know this was happening... why would you want to let more people know by protesting it?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 24, 2011 14:49:28 GMT -5
he is threatening the existence of our way of life. ******************* the same could be said about a number of our own politicians from both sides of the aisle..... again, if one doesn't stand on the 'right' side, your beliefs and rights don't seem to matter much.... well we don't need to be importing more threats
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 24, 2011 14:49:32 GMT -5
My objection has nothing to do with the man's spiritual beliefs. Having lived amongst Islamic peoples for quite a long time, I have no problem with them. My objection is to coming to this country for the purpose of fomenting dissent. Period.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 24, 2011 14:50:39 GMT -5
Agreed, Tennesseer. If we let him in, he gains the right to speak.
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