Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 17:17:28 GMT -5
This will definitely be on the PBS News Hour tonight. The poll that really matters in the Wisconsin situation is the voters of the state. The total compensation packages for unionized public employees is unsustainable. There is no denyging this fact.
From the link, << <During the discussion, Fox host Brian Kilmeade asked pro-labor guest Robert Zimmerman if President Obama was taking a “big risk” by opposing Walker’s law. Zimmerman responded by saying that Obama was speaking “for the mainstream of our country, and the mainstream of Republican governors who are not siding with Governor Walker.” Kilmeade responded by saying, “I think Gallup, a relatively mainstream poll, has a differing view. And here’s the question that was posed. Do you favor or disfavor of taking away collective bargaining when it comes to salaries for government workers. 66 percent in favor, 33 percent opposed, 9 percent up in the air.” Watch it
Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 23, 2011 19:11:34 GMT -5
From the link: "ItÃ¢Â€Â™s worth pointing out that, Jim Glassman, the Bush Center director who appeared on the show to argue against collective bargaining, said right after the poll was shown that Ã¢Â€ÂœmanyÃ¢Â€Â states actually donÃ¢Â€Â™t have collective bargaining. The truth is that only five states do not have collective bargaining for public employees Ã¢Â€Â” Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia. Those states rank 45th, 48th, 49th, 38th, and 34th, in average SAT scores, respectively. Wisconsin is 3rd."
So Fox simply reverses the results when they don't say what Fox wants.... Then at the end issues a "correction". No wonder Fox viewers are so uninformed. Five states don't have collective bargaining and the same five states score in the bottom third.
What does it matter? After the governor got pranked and it got publicized, the whole Wisconsin government needs to go. They should be purged tonight, Diebolt machines chucked in Lake Michigan and a show of hands impromptu election for replacement Congress. As for the Koches, looks like it's time to Mess with Texas.
Gardeninggrandma,your post got trashed somehow. Let me try, it is an interesting figure that I missed and is counter to what we have been hearing and reading---- <<<It’s worth pointing out that, Jim Glassman, the Bush Center director who appeared on the show to argue against collective bargaining, said right after the poll was shown that “many” states actually don’t have collective bargaining. The truth is that only five states do not have collective bargaining for public employees — Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia. Those states rank 45th, 48th, 49th, 38th, and 34th, in average SAT scores, respectively. Wisconsin is 3rd.>>>>>
I prefer to watch Fox News with Meghn Kelly than watch Rachel Maddow...and Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace rather than Chris Matthews .....less BS, Hype and Spin with Ms Kelly and Mr Wallace IMHO
I'd pretty much watch anyone other that Chris Mathews. He'll get interesting guests, then he'll interrupt them constantly. It annoys the hell out of me. Rachel Maddow, otoh, seeks out guests with differing viewpoints and she treats them courteously. She doesn't interrupt them. She lets them speak their piece before asking questions. She doesn't tiptoe around them, but she is courteous to them. Big difference IMO
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that only 25% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of this tactic, while 67% disapprove. State legislators in Indiana have used the same approach to avoid a vote in their state. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
Sizable majorities of Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major party reject such a strategy. Democrats are fairly evenly divided, with 48% approving and 44% disapproving.
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 14:48:34 GMT -5
You will note that the Rasmussen poll isn't a generic poll, but a poll of likely voters. My guess is the FLEEbagger Democarts will be back in about 5 minutes. This also explains Obama's backing off the issue.
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 24, 2011 14:52:57 GMT -5
And I would also add the the Gallup Poll simply must be off somewhat for whatever reason- maybe it's a generic poll, and not one of likely voters. However, in terms of credibility USA Today / Gallup are the least accurate polls, and their results are off in favor of the left leaning candidate / issue 100% of the time. Isn't it interesting that they never make a mistake where they 'accidentally' lean right? From the same Rassmusen Poll quoted above:
Voters continue to be closely divided over the question of public employee unions themselves. Fifty percent (50%) at least somewhat favor such unions, while 44% oppose them. These figures include 25% who Strongly Favor the unions and 25% who are Strongly Opposed.
- End collective bargaining for government unions for pensions and benefits. Allow bargaining only for raises that are less than inflation.
- End forced union dues, collected by the state. Union dues would become voluntary.
- Union members get to vote yearly on whether to keep their union.
Governor Walker is supported by a majority of voters weighing in on the issue:
Forty-seven percent (47%) of voters nationwide now support Walker, virtually unchanged from earlier this week. Forty-two percent (42%) support the unions for teachers and other state employees in the standoff, up from 38% in the previous survey. Eleven percent (11%) remain undecided.
Seventy-five percent (75%) of Republicans and 53% of voters not affiliated with either of the major political parties agree with the governor. Seventy-nine percent (79%) of Democrats side with the union workers.
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 25, 2011 0:08:10 GMT -5
Accurate is accurate. If it was a Huffington Post poll, but they had a strong track record-- I'd post them. USA Today Gallup aren't off my list because they clearly lean left-- they're off my list because they're consistently wrong.