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Post by marjar on Feb 23, 2011 10:12:33 GMT -5
Enjoy scary movies? Then check out this video from the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland. It tells the true story of Robert Collins, a nursing student, father and corrections supply officer with the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services. Returning from a leave of absence following his mother's death, Collins was told that he'd have to hand over his Facebook password if he wanted to be reinstated. That this was now standard procedure. "My personal communications, my personal posts, my personal pictures, looking at my personally identifiable information, where my religious beliefs, my political beliefs, my sexuality — all of these things are possibly disclosed on this page," Collins tells the camera. "It's absolute total invasion and overreach." technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/22/6108312-aclu-employer-demands-facebook-password
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 10:16:55 GMT -5
I'll have to check the link later tonight...interesting though, I would think that jobs such as this in govt are subject to a background check. I imagine there are various levels of background checks, and that one would periodically be subject to having one run. Requiring one's password to a social site seems a bit over the line.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 10:22:41 GMT -5
Hey Marjar, Is your avatar a photo of a Samoyed? SF
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2011 10:23:39 GMT -5
... "My personal communications, my personal posts, my personal pictures, looking at my personally identifiable information, where my religious beliefs, my political beliefs, my sexuality — all of these things are possibly disclosed on this page," ...... Have never quite figured out why people put all of that stuff out there and expect privacy. It is kinda like the gal who wears a very low cut blouse and then complains when guys look. I say post it loud and proud or keep it to yourself.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 23, 2011 10:24:05 GMT -5
I just saw that too. that's nuts, I don't know how anyone ever thought that was legal!
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Post by marjar on Feb 23, 2011 10:25:26 GMT -5
Hey Marjar, Is your avatar a photo of a Samoyed? SF I'm not sure if it is a Sammie or an American Eskimo. Originating site doesn't say, but it looks like my Eskie, so I went with it. It can be difficult to distinguish between the two breeds in photos, unless one has a means to establish size. Interestingly, the breeds aren't related.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 10:26:24 GMT -5
Have never quite figured out why people put all of that stuff out there and expect privacy. It is kinda like the gal who wears a very low cut blouse and then complains when guys look. I say post it loud and proud or keep it to yourself.
I have a facebook profile, but have it secured for friends only access. I had employment history info posted, which I eventually removed. I agree with your assessment though.
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Post by marjar on Feb 23, 2011 10:27:51 GMT -5
Late on Tuesday, the DPSCS contacted NBC4 again, and said that the policy of inquiring about Facebook accounts during the hiring process would be suspended for 45 days, for further review.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 10:28:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it is a Sammie or an American Eskimo. Originating site doesn't say, but it looks like my Eskie, so I went with it
I am not a dog person. Back in the 90s I was dating a woman who had two Samoyeds. They were the most friendly and playful dogs I have ever met. I loved their antics. I periodically took care of them when she went on business trips. One of them bonded with me.
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Post by marjar on Feb 23, 2011 10:30:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it is a Sammie or an American Eskimo. Originating site doesn't say, but it looks like my Eskie, so I went with itI am not a dog person. Back in the 90s I was dating a woman who had two Samoyeds. They were the most friendly and playful dogs I have ever met. I loved their antics. I periodically took care of them when she went on business trips. One of them bonded with me. Sammies are wonderful dogs. Eksies aren't bad, either.
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Post by zipity on Feb 23, 2011 10:35:03 GMT -5
Two thoughts: First, if any employer asks you for a password to any account your standard answer should be "what account, I don't have a facebook/email/myspace..... account". If you've ever done a search on those sites you'll quickly realize that we all have multiple people out there that have the same name as you and I do.
Second, In the video, the man is talking about posting personal data, religious beliefs, private photographs..... Everyone has to understand, your rights to privacy end at your keyboard. Anything you type, upload and even download can be recorded and disclosed. Facebook is notorious for on a whim changing their policy about privacy. People don't seem to understand that any site you visit can be forced by federal, state and local agencies to turn over records of anything you do online. Photos posted can never be un-posted AND don't be fooled into believing that because the site says unauthorized 'friends' won't be able to download you photos that those unauthorized people won't 'capture' your photos. You want privacy, don't touch your keyboard, use snail mail.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 23, 2011 10:35:46 GMT -5
Whoa- what's next? Do they want to read employee's emails? Do they want to rifle through employee's snail mail? Do they want to come on over and search employee's houses? Suspended? No. They shouldn't be allowed to back off so they can re-group and come up for air-- they should be DESTROYED for this. Everyone involved in setting and enforcing that policy-- anyone whose fingerprints are on that should be FIRED, and barred from working for government in any capacity for life.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 23, 2011 10:36:49 GMT -5
Have never quite figured out why people put all of that stuff out there and expect privacy. It is kinda like the gal who wears a very low cut blouse and then complains when guys look. I say post it loud and proud or keep it to yourself. I have a facebook profile, but have it secured for friends only access. I had employment history info posted, which I eventually removed. I agree with your assessment though. You'd be surprised what a Google search can come up with. Facebook cannot be completely secured.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 10:42:37 GMT -5
You'd be surprised what a Google search can come up with. Facebook cannot be completely secured.
Yes, interesting isnt it. I met a lady on a dating site in December. She listed her age as 60. She told me she took an early retirement, from her business. She had her own marketing/advertising firm in NYC. She was loaded, had a condo on 86th and 5th ave in NYC, that is prime NYC real estate. So to see if I could find out something about her, I googled her. What I did find out was that she indeed was who she said she was, except for her age. She is 67.
And yeah, everytime you click on some new app that runs on Facebook, it wants access to your entire profile and all the info.
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Post by marjar on Feb 23, 2011 10:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 23, 2011 10:58:39 GMT -5
This is why I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative and not simply a dyed in the wool right winger. Where are the conservative legal foundations on things like this? He had to turn to the ACLU. Conservatives say things like, "Well, if he doesn't like the policy- he doesn't have to work there"; or if you don't like something a big corporation is doing, you don't have to do business with them.
Well, for you conservative legal scholars out there- it's one thing if you get to negotiate the contract, but if all of life becomes one big unilateral contract then how are you free?
Gee, I guess you're free as long as you don't want to go to school, have a credit card, or a checking account, have a job, or own a business. You can't argue that a person is free as long as they live like Ted Kazinski.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Feb 23, 2011 11:10:05 GMT -5
... "My personal communications, my personal posts, my personal pictures, looking at my personally identifiable information, where my religious beliefs, my political beliefs, my sexuality — all of these things are possibly disclosed on this page," ...... Have never quite figured out why people put all of that stuff out there and expect privacy. It is kinda like the gal who wears a very low cut blouse and then complains when guys look. I say post it loud and proud or keep it to yourself. There is another issue here. While yes posting personal information on a webpage opens up the possibility of people in the general public finding out the information, Facebook has a private email component to it. People should be able to have the expectation of privacy when it comes to email (there are several cases in the courts currently on this issue). A potential employer demanding your password to Facebook is the same as demanding to read all person emails. Why stop there if they are going to read your personal email, why shouldn't they be allowed to read your personal mail also?
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Post by zipity on Feb 23, 2011 11:24:42 GMT -5
There is another issue here. While yes posting personal information on a webpage opens up the possibility of people in the general public finding out the information, Facebook has a private email component to it.
One thing that the video didn't touch on, I'm wondering if the demand for passwords was in exchange for private use of the employers internet access. I hope it's pretty clear to all that there is no expectation of privacy when using a corporate network. If they employer asked for passwords as part of an employment background check, shame on them. However if the employer asked for the password because the employee wanted to use the corporate network for personal access, still shame on the employer but at least I can understand why they might of thought they had the right to passwords. (actually I'm just baffled by the request)
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2011 12:09:52 GMT -5
Having looked over my wife's shoulder at what is posted on facebook, I wonder why employers even wish to dive into that pool of minutiae.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 23, 2011 12:28:32 GMT -5
...I'll agree that this bothers me... like ChiTown posted, where does it end?
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Post by workpublic on Feb 23, 2011 12:38:59 GMT -5
stop whining. we're at war. it's for your own good. what do you have to hide? if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, right?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 23, 2011 12:43:37 GMT -5
stop whining. we're at war. it's for your own good. what do you have to hide? if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, right?
Well, taking this point another step, an employee has to produce numerous documents(birth cert, drivers license, etc) to their employer as required by the govt.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 23, 2011 12:49:20 GMT -5
i have to urinate into a cup and give it to stranger. can't reduce dignity any lower(unless you have to do it front of a stranger of the opposite sex) they should require sperm samples from men and egg samples from women. don't want a sickly child born while we're paying a tenth(or 9/10, all, if your a govt worker) of your health insurance i get a kick about the credit report. i have better credit than everyone involved, from the the person at the checking agency to the interviewer.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 23, 2011 15:07:48 GMT -5
Well if they do not reinstate the guy they have just left themselves open for a huge lawsuit.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Feb 23, 2011 16:13:10 GMT -5
stop whining. we're at war. it's for your own good. what do you have to hide? if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, right? I have a right to keep my porn information private.
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