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Post by henryclay on Feb 22, 2011 20:50:21 GMT -5
It is apparent that several posters have not had an opportunity to listen to Allen West. This is an opportunity to correct that. I a series of videos on You Tube the former Army Lt. Colonel spells out not only what we are up against, but how we can, as a nation, rise from fighting the wars of the past to fighting the one we are faced with today. More than that, he tells us what we face if we continue to disregard the new battlefield.
One member of the panel echoed West's words by adding: "It will only require a Commander in Chief who is willing to do it"
On the link below are several related other videos. I recommend a sober listen to Allen West and then flip over and watch the one with Keith Olberann, who seems downright like an amateur ostrich who can't find a place to hide it's head, so it blurts out unrelated gibberish.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 22, 2011 20:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 22, 2011 20:58:37 GMT -5
Exalted. henryclay- you almost remind me of me- your posts are that good. Defending the country is as simple as identifying an nuetralizing threats. We are fighting front-page wars in two countries, we're killing people in several others-- that we know about, and yet- we have not identified the threat as a global jihad or "holy war" being waged by islamic extremists whose goal is to establish a global calphate. They should be called out, names named, and marked for death.
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Post by vl on Feb 22, 2011 21:00:07 GMT -5
You should read the book- The Loan Pushers, by authors Darity and Horn. The book chronicles much about how we got involved in several wars by paying people to create them. Military Spending blows away all other facets of our budget. Basically, we create a war to use the weapons and machinery we had selected contractors make at nose-bleed costs and then repeat the process. The key is to have banks fund incredibly unstable and risky loans to shoddy governments with more reasons to fail than to succeed, so they will and banks can cry foul so we BAIL them. 100% of THAT book is cross-validated because it's 100% true. What I'd like to see is some career military person (read: skilled warrior) stand up and tell us how NOT to get into wars.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 21:10:34 GMT -5
You should read the book- The Loan Pushers, by authors Darity and Horn. The book chronicles much about how we got involved in several wars by paying people to create them. Military Spending blows away all other facets of our budget. Basically, we create a war to use the weapons and machinery we had selected contractors make at nose-bleed costs and then repeat the process. The key is to have banks fund incredibly unstable and risky loans to shoddy governments with more reasons to fail than to succeed, so they will and banks can cry foul so we BAIL them. 100% of THAT book is cross-validated because it's 100% true. What I'd like to see is some career military person (read: skilled warrior) stand up and tell us how NOT to get into wars. Did your book mention 9/11 - or the fact that Islamic extremist want to destroy us - or the fact that even Thos. Jefferson knew they were a problem
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 22, 2011 21:16:26 GMT -5
I love when the crazy train rolls into town.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 21:22:09 GMT -5
I love when the crazy train rolls into town. ?
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 22, 2011 21:25:34 GMT -5
If you don't know who's on the crazy train, you're probably on the crazy train
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 21:27:49 GMT -5
If you don't know who's on the crazy train, you're probably on the crazy train Well that really helps.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 21:29:06 GMT -5
So you are saying that you think Islamic extremism is no problem to you or the rest of us?
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 22, 2011 21:34:10 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything at all *invests in tin foil*
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 21:40:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything at all *invests in tin foil* Well get a clue - they do want to destroy western civilization - and they really do not like independent woman
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 22, 2011 21:45:07 GMT -5
Oh, I well understand that.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 22, 2011 21:47:43 GMT -5
Oh, I well understand that. Cool - I was not reading that from your posts
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 22, 2011 21:56:23 GMT -5
There is being aware of a threat and then there is ranting about a threat (which, especially when one is talking about fundamentalism, just makes the threat worse).
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 22, 2011 22:04:49 GMT -5
Personally I am getting tired of POTUS/ political types who are so hell bent with solving the worlds ills and our own with their ideas that the American fighting force is the way to solve these problems.
I am not for a weak defense..and with a budget yearly over $900 Billion plus those black box and security agencies that are not part of that budget and which I am sure fewer really know what their costs are and even less as to what they do, I am not afraid that we are becoming defenseless and ripe for destruction.
If the past few adventures have not shown us we really can't afford these things any more then I don't know what will. The only good thing that has come out of the past few adventires has been the human costs , as heavy and tragic as it has been for those and their families that it has directly affected and nothing could be more tragic or their sacrifices been more appreciated by me, the truth is, compared to most of our wars , the American casualties have been light compared to WW2, Korea, 38.000 dead, uncounted wounded, Nam, 50,0000 plus dead, uncounted wounded.
The doller cost to out treasure and countrys finances are anything but light and still ongoing and are a real concern, and all not budgeted for either just as a little aside.
A tough talking hill charger as a leader I don't need. We know our enemy. Our leaders know our enemy. Cold , calculated but thoughtful leaders are needed to deal with the threats to our interests and our home land. Overly boisterous loud newly, so new, congressman , who I believe has one agenda , to move up the political ladder and as fast as he can , who is starting to remind me of demigods of the past who are using the pulpit to incite the masses to impress them on how tough and strong he is and how some one like him is the answer to all of our ills , is about the last one I want to see get to that level of leadership.
For those who are impressed with his rhetoric, look around and see where such people have led us in the past, and before being so fast with the praise, think a bit about what he really is all about.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 22, 2011 23:06:14 GMT -5
desi, would you prefer that West keep his 5 years experience in Iraq and Afghanistan to himself? He is no longer bound by the rules of silence that were mposed on him as a simploe warrior. He is now a civilian in a position of privileged leadership, where his knowledge and experience can make a difference in how, and how long, the war will last. It is no great revelation that progress has been slow until now. For him to keep his counsel and joinfn the ranks of "go along to get along" is hardly what is needed in Washington. Isn't it true that he was sent there from a heavily Democratic voting district with a mandate to try and make a difference?
Would you have him abandon that mandate?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2011 23:22:09 GMT -5
Just a few comments:
1. High body counts will lose a war because the American people turn against it. (BTW: Therefore the enemies main goal is high body counts). 2. More advanced weapons cut down the body count. 3. Military leaders generally aren't the people making the decisions, our politicians are the ones that do that. They play politics & get people killed.
I can see both sides of cutting the military budget. My suggestion is to figure out how many dead American military is exceptable & then cut the budget appropriately. I am reasonably sure that a 10 to 20 percent cut wouldn't cut readiness much though.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 22, 2011 23:46:16 GMT -5
desi, would you prefer that West keep his 5 years experience in Iraq and Afghanistan to himself? He is no longer bound by the rules of silence that were mposed on him as a simploe warrior. He is now a civilian in a position of privileged leadership, where his knowledge and experience can make a difference in how, and how long, the war will last. It is no great revelation that progress has been slow until now. For him to keep his counsel and joinfn the ranks of "go along to get along" is hardly what is needed in Washington. Isn't it true that he was sent there from a heavily Democratic voting district with a mandate to try and make a difference? Would you have him abandon that mandate? I would suggest you reread my post. I have heard the man , personally, I have even followed his campaign even though he isn't my representative, I have not made light of his service, in fact you saw my defenseof him with Bills, understanding of his/the situation that ended his military career, and if you think he is the second coming , the one annoited , that is your right. I don't feel that way, I have questions, I will hold my judgement of him and just watch , observe and listen. I would hope he also watches, learns , and listens and keeps his ambitions in check for a while . Truthfully I believe he has a agenda and the agenda revolves more around himself then his current job or the country. My opinion , hope I am wrong , will watch and see if I am. PS : His mandate was to be the best damn reresentative he could looking out for the people in his district, helping them with governmental problems and representing their interests , understanding the concerns of the country too, but his first obligation is to his constituents. That to me is his mandate. For a good friend of mine who he does represent,who I took to a meeting of his when he was campaigning for the office, that is what he wants from his representative.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 22, 2011 23:57:21 GMT -5
Just a few comments: 1. High body counts will lose a war because the American people turn against it. (BTW: Therefore the enemies main goal is high body counts). 2. More advanced weapons cut down the body count. 3. Military leaders generally aren't the people making the decisions, our politicians are the ones that do that. They play politics & get people killed. I can see both sides of cutting the military budget. My suggestion is to figure out how many dead American military is exceptable & then cut the budget appropriately. I am reasonably sure that a 10 to 20 percent cut wouldn't cut readiness much though. In catching Rumsfeld last week on CNN..when asked about possible budget cuts in the Defense budget, affecting effectiveness..he said there is plenty of places to cut. The problem was that Congress would put in Billions each year that were not wanted or asked by the military, pet projects, system not wanted or needed, but important to Congress for factories and work back home, so yes there is plenty of room to cut.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 22, 2011 23:57:43 GMT -5
desi, would you prefer that West keep his 5 years experience in Iraq and Afghanistan to himself? He is no longer bound by the rules of silence that were mposed on him as a simploe warrior. He is now a civilian in a position of privileged leadership, where his knowledge and experience can make a difference in how, and how long, the war will last. It is no great revelation that progress has been slow until now. For him to keep his counsel and joinfn the ranks of "go along to get along" is hardly what is needed in Washington. Isn't it true that he was sent there from a heavily Democratic voting district with a mandate to try and make a difference? Would you have him abandon that mandate? As a member of the House Armed Services Committee, he certainly should use his experience as a Lt. Col. and contracter with the Department of Defense when hearing testimony from the Generals and Admirals of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and top civilian leaders of the Department of Defense.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 23, 2011 9:00:31 GMT -5
desi says, "......My opinion , hope I am wrong , will watch and see if I am....."
desi also made reference to West's response to a representtive of CAIR at a Townhall Meeting Monday night. My taake on the response from his constitutient crowd in the video is that he is doing exactly what they sent him to do. It sounds to me like they want him to do more of it.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 23, 2011 9:23:59 GMT -5
We need to arm Reverand Hagees and Parsley's CUFI soldiers in this battle for our ultimate goal---------"During the 2006 CUFI conference, Hagee made perhaps his clearest statement of Armageddon as American foreign policy:
"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Feb 23, 2011 9:55:46 GMT -5
Nuke 'em 'til they glow, shoot the in the dark?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 23, 2011 10:02:37 GMT -5
desi says, "......My opinion , hope I am wrong , will watch and see if I am....." desi also made reference to West's response to a representative of CAIR at a Townhall Meeting Monday night. My taake on the response from his constitutient crowd in the video is that he is doing exactly what they sent him to do. It sounds to me like they want him to do more of it. Congressmans West district has a population of over 600,000, there were a few 100 there. Those who would show up to a talk by a Rep. in a non election year for the most part , will be supporter's, unless the speaker at was a extremely unpopular individual and audiences would be there to get him/her. His comment of the "Don't blow smoke.. is a catchy one, I heard it many times in my service..would put money down that you did too..would get the troops to give a reaction... and it did so here too. You can look at the one questioning the Rep . as a bad person, I look at him as a American citizen, who happens to believe in the Muslim faith , who is upset that his elected representative seems to be making a concerted effort attacking his faith and all who believe in it and lumping them in with those who have done terrorist acts, and he confronts the Rep. with his concerns and West blows him off, at the same time making sure he gets a great sound bite out of it that I guarantee he and his publicist will now use to it's nth degree of effectiveness . It will be used , picked up by by the gullible/influenced by... who think he is the next best ..seems like he has you in that pack. You have that right. As I have said before, I'll hold judgment and keep listening and watching.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 23, 2011 10:05:02 GMT -5
We need to arm Reverand Hagees and Parsley's CUFI soldiers in this battle for our ultimate goal---------"During the 2006 CUFI conference, Hagee made perhaps his clearest statement of Armageddon as American foreign policy: "The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ." If one is not a believer...can they opt out from that action? Possible leave town, go on vacation..actually a cruise sounds like a good alterntive.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2011 10:12:21 GMT -5
...size=2]The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West [/size]... [/quote] Why should my tax dollars be used? If God wants to start a war, he needs to pay for it. Dig up some of those streets paved in gold and use the revenue to fund it. Stop expecting the U.S. to handle everything.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 23, 2011 10:20:16 GMT -5
...size=2]The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West [/size]... [/quote] Why should my tax dollars be used? If God wants to start a war, he needs to pay for it. Dig up some of those streets paved in gold and use the revenue to fund it. Stop expecting the U.S. to handle everything. [/quote] Absolutly...you got it in a nutshell... , ...and for those of us who want to opt out...cruise baby , cruise... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 11:07:15 GMT -5
Dez-- about that speech and the guy/gal from CAIR... CAIR has strong ties to terrorism. Muslim extremists is probably an accurate description there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 11:16:19 GMT -5
www.anti-cair-net.org/Many, many links in here. Granted, it is an anti site. SO-- if you look it over and don't like it, do your own research and see if you can disprove it.
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