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Post by chiver78 on Jan 30, 2014 16:13:57 GMT -5
linkThe Justice Department has notified a federal judge that it intends to seek the death penalty if a jury convicts Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for last April’s bomb attacks at the Boston Marathon. Tsarnaev is awaiting trial on charges that he and his brother built and planted two pressure-cooker bombs that killed three people and injured at least 260 others. He is also charged with killing an MIT campus police officer. Liz Norden, the mother of Boston bombing victims, responds to news that the Justice Department will seek the death penalty against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev if he is convicted. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement: “After consideration of the relevant facts, the applicable regulations and the submissions made by the defendant’s counsel, I have determined that the United States will seek the death penalty in this matter. The nature of the conduct at issue and the resultant harm compel this decision.” **************************************************************************************************** click link for complete story
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 30, 2014 17:12:14 GMT -5
Oh well. Shit happens. Stupid kid.
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Post by Opti on Jan 30, 2014 18:23:10 GMT -5
Chiver, I hope this recent news gives you and many folks some peace. Sounds like a reasonable choice even if like many watched Florida trials it ends up to be something different. However it turns out hopefully it will be a deterrent to future folks that the Fed shouldn't have let in to do damage to we the people. Personally I'm waiting on the smaller trial of the Purdue TA who stabbed and shot a fellow TA to death. They both worked for the professor I also was a TA for at Purdue.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 30, 2014 18:52:40 GMT -5
thanks, Opti. personally, I'm against the death penalty. I grew up listening to my Italian Nana pontificate on many topics, one of which was how badly Sacco and Vanzetti were so totally hosed by the system as it was at the time. while I don't think I'm a hypocrite here (and I'm sure I'll hear about it from those that think I am) in this particular case, though - I just want this evil gone, in whatever method gets him to join his brother in hell the fastest way possible. if that's the death penalty, I can deal with my distaste of the concept. if that's a "life" sentence that puts him in the general population that won't take kindly to the fact that he killed an 8-yo kid, that's okay too. probably quicker, actually. obviously, something that personally affects you is going to produce a stronger reaction. I have lived my entire life within an hour of Boston. other than a 6-month co-op job (paid internship), I've lived within 30 minutes of Boston, and I grew up along that Marathon route. as an adult, my favorite place to watch wasn't the stretch of route 135 where I watched as a kid, but that very block of Boylston St that got blown up by this kid and his brother. if I hadn't been sandblasting and pre-staging my house for MLS listing with my sis, we both would very likely have been on that block of Boylston, cheering on the runners. just typing that gives me the chills, which brings tears to my eyes. that this little shit and his brother would have attacked on a day and at an event that absolutely defines Boston and Massachusetts' history so deeply offends me. I'm already planning to go in for this year's Marathon, alongside probably most of the damn state. we are totally picking up where we left off last year. I wish for good results to your case, so sorry for your own losses.
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Post by Jaguar on Jan 30, 2014 19:01:15 GMT -5
Geez Chive reading your post #3 I teared up.
Boston needs to heal in whichever way it can. No I don't like the Death penalty either, but those innocents did not make those two do this horror. It's their own damn fault not Boston's, not USA.
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Post by Opti on Jan 30, 2014 19:13:36 GMT -5
I'm not pro death penalty either, but I understand where you are coming from. I don't know that area anywhere near as well as you, but I've been there several times for conferences and part of a weekend vacation so I feel some of your pain. That area is IMO much like my fave part of central NJ. Wickedly pricely but also with some real cool stuff you don't find everywhere.
The Purdue shooting hit me hard because it happened in the building I spent most of my Purdue education in. The news describes it as happening in a classroom but like the Jahi McMath simple tonsil surgery I expect the truth is either a shared TA office or the location of HKN, Electrical Engineering honorary which was a lounge/ food area. Should send my condolence emails to some folks I know still there in EE/Purdue.
Evil can't be killed but that instance can be slowed down or stopped for now. The Purdue shooter pled not guilty so I think they are going for an insanity defense. Would love to find out if its legit or not. Since he used a knife and a gun my gut says its over a girl but could be anything. In closing, you probably can get my very odd/mixed feelings over this. TY.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 30, 2014 22:53:15 GMT -5
I am not against the death penalty- I am against a government that is incapable of using it properly. Might have this guy 100% guilty- what about the others?
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Post by marvholly on Jan 31, 2014 6:20:47 GMT -5
IMHO I think the death penalty MUST be used judicously and this IS a case where it is appropriate.
NOTE: I live in metro Chicago and we have had WAAAY too many cases where it was applied (and sometimes carried out) but later found to be based on poor, false or coerced evidence/testimony. Don't think that is the case here.
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Post by Opti on Jan 31, 2014 7:11:15 GMT -5
The good news about this case is we know he is guilty. No doubt in that and he admits it.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 1, 2014 13:27:29 GMT -5
He shouldn't have been held even this long. Take him out, line him up, and shoot him. Same as that Ft. hood bastard. We lean over backwards for criminals and its ridiculous. The joke of the world is commit a crime in the US. Even illegals who should have ZERO rights have rights here.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 1, 2014 14:40:58 GMT -5
As a runner, and someone who now has to not only face, but enforce, more scrutiny and security at running events (I am on the board of directors for my local running club), I don't thing Tsarnaev's last days on earth can come fast enough. Him and his monster brother took a lot away from Boston that the city may reclaim over time. But no road race will ever be the same. Those of us who plan these things (and no, we don't get paid to do it) have to pay more for security, rethink safety, and wonder if our race will be the next target.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2014 17:19:33 GMT -5
I am not against the death penalty- I am against a government that is incapable of using it properly. Might have this guy 100% guilty- what about the others? and that is why I'm against the concept. there are too many that have been found innocent for varied reasons. Opti - I totally get it.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2014 17:20:42 GMT -5
zib, I'll admit I don't know much about the Ft Hood case, but this kid is a naturalized citizen. not sure what point you're trying to make, but nobody's bending over backwards to ensure the rights of an illegal here.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 1, 2014 17:35:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying he isn't. I'm saying we waste too much time and money on these a-holes "rights."
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2014 17:46:09 GMT -5
ok, wasn't sure where you were going with that. thanks. as far as wasting time and money on the rights of the accused, that's not a precedent I want to set. do you think we wasted time and money on one of the more recent inmates to be freed - Ryan Ferguson? I don't. linklink
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2014 18:41:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying he isn't. I'm saying we waste too much time and money on these a-holes "rights." Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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Post by Opti on Feb 1, 2014 22:03:55 GMT -5
Slight brag/amazement. I emailed three people I knew at Purdue sending condolences as this is the first on campus death I am aware of. This is a Big 10, Ag.Engineering/Krannert School of Mgmt Purdue. It seems so wrong. Anyway, the Dean of Engineering, emailed me back and I was excited she did so. Thankfully she looks the same and I'm just so impressed how well she did politics and all getting where she is. (Now if Prof. Meyer would just write a little note, to let me know he remembers me... ) Spoke to a patient about Purdue today since thankfully it was slow for some reason. He had a Purdue connection and reminded me of another murder(local) that had a connection to Purdue. Kid apparently had a wrestling scholarship to Purdue yet killed some old guy(janitor?) for $73 for prom. Thought we would get away with it & according to the patient was picked up at Purdue to stand trial. Life constantly surprises.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 3, 2014 21:54:46 GMT -5
I am not against the death penalty- I am against a government that is incapable of using it properly. Might have this guy 100% guilty- what about the others? and that is why I'm against the concept. there are too many that have been found innocent for varied reasons. Opti - I totally get it. Raise the burden of proof to beyond all doubt and I'll consider it. Funny how those that preach daily on how incompetent the government is trusts them completely to kill another citizen- even when faced with the facts that innocent people wind up on death row on a regular basis. Of course those same folks preach daily on fiscal responsibility and likewise ignore the fact it costs a hell of a lot more to execute someone than put them away for life. And might even mention that apparently their Bibles have a commandment with an asterisk next to it. Bloodlust- pure and simple.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 12:40:46 GMT -5
linkthe verdict is in for the trial. court will reconvene at 1:45pm Eastern.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2015 12:48:12 GMT -5
My guess is the kid is a gonner. Too fast in reaching a verdict with so many charges filed against him.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 12:52:02 GMT -5
Tenn, I'm honestly afraid for this city if he *isn't* found guilty.
that said, it's a pity that sentencing can't happen by Patriots Day. (if he's found guilty) that would be nice closure at the 2-yr mark. for the city, obviously not for the families who lost loved ones. that will take much longer.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 8, 2015 12:58:33 GMT -5
chiver78 - I think he will be found guilty. Even his defense began their opening remarks with he was guilty. Just how much guilty was the question-was he too controlled by his older brother. It's my understanding after the jury's announcement today, the penalty phase will begin in a week or two, yes?
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 13:00:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. I haven't been able to watch much of this coverage at all. a friend from San Francisco told me that the verdict was in, that's how I knew to go find the link I posted.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 13:01:58 GMT -5
oh, and that link has a live feed window. one of the tweeters (is that the right word?) explained that counts 1-10 and 12-18 carry a possibility of a death sentence, so if any of those come in with a guilty verdict, that the trial would immediately progress to the death penalty sentencing. whether "immediately" means today, or that they just don't finish reading the whole verdict, I don't know.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 13:11:33 GMT -5
and we're done here. guilty on count 1.
thank you, jurors.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 8, 2015 13:21:22 GMT -5
The jury has decided Guilty on counts 1, 3 and 4. Looks like it will be a death penalty case.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 13:22:45 GMT -5
the first 13 counts now, mmhmm. I'm sitting here tearing up, watching the live feed come through.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 8, 2015 13:38:01 GMT -5
guilty on all 30 counts. wow. thank you, jurors. thank you for absorbing all the details that I couldn't bring myself to read or see.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 8, 2015 13:38:37 GMT -5
chiver78 - I think he will be found guilty. Even his defense began their opening remarks with he was guilty. Just how much guilty was the question- was he too controlled by his older brother.
It's my understanding after the jury's announcement today, the penalty phase will begin in a week or two, yes? That's no excuse, IMO. Everyone is influenced by somebody. Should we cut every two-bit terrorist some slack because he was influenced by his imam?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Apr 8, 2015 13:42:25 GMT -5
Thank goodness. It will never bring back the dead. It will never regrow the limbs lost by those who survived. It will never heal the emotional scars of those who lived through it. But there is some measure of justice in this.
He had the ability to make this stop, influenced as he may have been by his brother. He could have left Boston and never been found by his brother. He had the option to make this stop. He did not. His actions following the bombing are those of a creature so callous, so evil and so easily able to deny the humanity of others that the death penalty seems a too-peaceful end for him.
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