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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 27, 2014 13:31:00 GMT -5
I'm just curious how others do it.
We basically have virtiually no admin support at work. I have to do my own credit card statements, travel booking, contracting, and pretty much everything else.
More and more admin work is being heaped on us, and it's starting to get extremely time consuming, especially since the systems used changed so frequently. I spent all day friday just trying to book a trip in the new system. And today I need to figure out how to do my own PR for a contract. People go to training courses for this stuff, and I am having to do this without any training whatsoever.
It's just frustrating. I don't mind doing some admin work, it's part of the job. But it's getting kind of ridiculous.
I realize I'm not that important, but doesn't anyone ever think about efficiency? I realize they're trying to save money by hiring as few people as possible, but they could pay someone a lot less than they're paying me to do this stuff.
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Post by midjd on Jan 27, 2014 13:39:06 GMT -5
I realize I'm not that important, but doesn't anyone ever think about efficiency? I realize they're trying to save money by hiring as few people as possible, but they could pay someone a lot less than they're paying me to do this stuff. I agree, and my workplace is kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum. When I started working here, my job was brand new so I didn't have a dedicated AA and did most of that stuff myself (plus printing envelopes, making copies, etc). That carried over to after I did get an AA, until finally my boss told me they weren't paying me to make copies and I needed to start giving that work to my AA... Except for the executive director, we all share assistants - there is 1 to every 2-3 attorneys. We could use a few more, but since we're getting by with the current staffing, the higher-ups don't see much need. If they don't want to hire a FT employee, any way you could talk them into getting a temp or contractor for 10-15 hours a week? We've done that during crunch times.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 27, 2014 13:43:13 GMT -5
I'm just curious how others do it. We basically have virtiually no admin support at work. I have to do my own credit card statements, travel booking, contracting, and pretty much everything else. More and more admin work is being heaped on us, and it's starting to get extremely time consuming, especially since the systems used changed so frequently. I spent all day friday just trying to book a trip in the new system. And today I need to figure out how to do my own PR for a contract. People go to training courses for this stuff, and I am having to do this without any training whatsoever. It's just frustrating. I don't mind doing some admin work, it's part of the job. But it's getting kind of ridiculous. I realize I'm not that important, but doesn't anyone ever think about efficiency? I realize they're trying to save money by hiring as few people as possible, but they could pay someone a lot less than they're paying me to do this stuff. But you will become more proficient as time goes on.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 27, 2014 13:46:39 GMT -5
Our admin took a buyout and since then we've been on our own. One of the local field offices was vacant except for one person. They forced that person to come here as our admin or be jobless. Most of us still do our own work as that person is mostly incompetent.
As for travel well that's a common complaint around here. We all book our own and it might take all day. We are getting a new system soon. We are under a hiring freeze. They would not have given us a slot for an admin person.
We have a payroll person in DC but they are non-responsive 99% of the time until you resort to CCing their boss. At least in the govt offices I've seen, the trend is to not replace departing admins.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jan 27, 2014 13:47:21 GMT -5
It is the opposite here. I work for a pretty huge law firm so most of the employees are some type of support staff. We had 3 people who's sole job is to book travel. There are hundreds of secretaries (yes, they still call them secretaries) I'm not anyone important in the grand scheme of things but if i need paper or pens or anything, i just call someone and magically, it appears.
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Post by michelyn8 on Jan 27, 2014 13:48:33 GMT -5
I used to be the main admin support in my former division even though I did more than that and had 3-4 co-workers also classified as admins who do other tasks. Now, no one does those things I did like travel arrangements, expense reports, etc. except the individual who needs them done. Some pick up on it better than other and some need their hand held each time for months before they become comfortable with it. Then to top it off, they don't always do it correctly which causes delays in posting, billing, etc. Add in the time it takes to get corrections made, additional approvals, etc. and you end up with 3-4 people over a month's time working on something an admin could get done correctly in under 30 minutes. Then you have an unhappy client because it took months to invoice for charges they wanted to book the month after they occured.
I understand why admin support has evolved to what it is now but I maintain the position that every company, depending on size, should maintain some kind of support staff to do the menial tasks like expense reports, travel arrangements, copying, etc. and leave the others to do the jobs they were actually hired to do.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jan 27, 2014 13:48:44 GMT -5
From an accounting services end, I hate it when departments don't have an admin to do the majority of that type of stuff. Instead of being able to train and deal with one admin-minded person, I have to train (and retrain and retrain) and deal with 10 distracted people. So much more work, so much less efficient on everyone's end.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 27, 2014 14:03:27 GMT -5
It sucks we lost our admin. She was trained in our travel system, I am not. However, I agree with the assessment of my higher ups that we need more auditors not another admin. The stuff that I don't get done now, can't be given to an admin. It took me all of 10 minutes on Friday to do the stuff that would have formerly been done by my admin.
The people who travel frequently are much better at using the system than me.
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Post by flamingo on Jan 27, 2014 14:05:08 GMT -5
This is the first job I've had where I have an actual admin to help me with actual admin stuff. She does my expense reports, reconciles my corporate credit card, registers me for conferences, does all my copying, etc. She'd book my actual travel and car rentals if I wasn't so anal about trip planning. IT'S AWESOME! I certainly can do all of it, and it would only take once to train me on how to do fill out the forms. However, it frees me up and allows me to get more work done by having her do it. I try not to take her for granted, since I know how much some of the things she does for me sucks!
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Post by tskeeter on Jan 27, 2014 14:21:24 GMT -5
I'm just curious how others do it. We basically have virtiually no admin support at work. I have to do my own credit card statements, travel booking, contracting, and pretty much everything else. More and more admin work is being heaped on us, and it's starting to get extremely time consuming, especially since the systems used changed so frequently. I spent all day friday just trying to book a trip in the new system. And today I need to figure out how to do my own PR for a contract. People go to training courses for this stuff, and I am having to do this without any training whatsoever. It's just frustrating. I don't mind doing some admin work, it's part of the job. But it's getting kind of ridiculous. I realize I'm not that important, but doesn't anyone ever think about efficiency? I realize they're trying to save money by hiring as few people as possible, but they could pay someone a lot less than they're paying me to do this stuff. Yup, that's pretty normal. It's one of the ways that many business have reduced their expenses. Eliminate adminstrative support so that salaried staff must absorb the admnistrative duties. Of course, this has led to salaried staff working longer hours to get the administrative activities done in addition to the work they had before administrative support was removed. And, often, having people who do not perform certain administrative tasks very often, doing things such as making travel arrangements using the specified computer system, is grossly inefficient. But it is the employee who sufferes the consequences of the inefficiency, not the business.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 27, 2014 14:26:24 GMT -5
I realize I'm not that important, but doesn't anyone ever think about efficiency? I realize they're trying to save money by hiring as few people as possible, but they could pay someone a lot less than they're paying me to do this stuff. I agree, and my workplace is kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum. When I started working here, my job was brand new so I didn't have a dedicated AA and did most of that stuff myself (plus printing envelopes, making copies, etc). That carried over to after I did get an AA, until finally my boss told me they weren't paying me to make copies and I needed to start giving that work to my AA... Except for the executive director, we all share assistants - there is 1 to every 2-3 attorneys. We could use a few more, but since we're getting by with the current staffing, the higher-ups don't see much need. If they don't want to hire a FT employee, any way you could talk them into getting a temp or contractor for 10-15 hours a week? We've done that during crunch times. Yeah, I don't need a personal AA just to myself. But this is a problem not just for me, but my whole organization. I just mean we need a few AA's to handle this stuff for the whole organization. Right now we have basically 0. Usually they'll hire a student for the summer or something, but that never lasts.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 27, 2014 14:29:31 GMT -5
It is the opposite here. I work for a pretty huge law firm so most of the employees are some type of support staff. We had 3 people who's sole job is to book travel. There are hundreds of secretaries (yes, they still call them secretaries) I'm not anyone important in the grand scheme of things but if i need paper or pens or anything, i just call someone and magically, it appears. Wow, with that many admin support staff, do the admins have their own admins? Do you have any admin support other than office supplies?
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 27, 2014 15:18:00 GMT -5
Our admin left and has not been replaced. I work for a small company (75 total employees) and at Manager level (report directly to our CEO).
I am in the manufacturing building and have to answer the door when there are truck deliveries, shared with 2 other Managers, average 5 times per day to anwe the door. Not a huge time waster, but it is annoying when you are in the middle of something and the buzzer goes off, and then you have to call someone on the radio for the delivery.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Jan 27, 2014 16:31:36 GMT -5
It is the opposite here. I work for a pretty huge law firm so most of the employees are some type of support staff. We had 3 people who's sole job is to book travel. There are hundreds of secretaries (yes, they still call them secretaries) I'm not anyone important in the grand scheme of things but if i need paper or pens or anything, i just call someone and magically, it appears. Wow, with that many admin support staff, do the admins have their own admins? Do you have any admin support other than office supplies? actually, yes. we have "floater" secretaries that assist when a secretary is out or needs assistance. and we have "Runners" that different depts can temporarily steal for assistance with easy tasks.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Jan 27, 2014 23:01:27 GMT -5
We have 1 admin on the floor for 60+ people. Need to order office supplies or get your mail delivered? She's your lady Coordinate lunch delivery for a client meeting, she has you covered. Expense reports are on our own. Cumbersome, horribly annoying. The day I get one done right the first time without anything sent back to me to correct will be the day I retire. Been here 9 years and never had it happen yet. Travel used to be more frequent but now is mainly for conferences and such. We have a travel coordinator for the whole company that we contact to get arrangements taken care of. We clean our own kitchen (if you remember my thread awhile back), and I get to be in charge of the schedule and making sure it actually happens. YAY me. But I have a different kind of job, so honestly I could muddle along without the help of an admin and would be ok.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jan 28, 2014 0:11:11 GMT -5
for years I was the only male admin at work. I would read the huge list of names to all the Admins and all were female. funny I did NOT like making flight arrangements. cause I knew plans were going to change; and they never wanted to pay for the refundable tickets. I do like being an admin, and better for me being a team admin.
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Post by JustLurkin on Jan 28, 2014 4:41:51 GMT -5
From an accounting services end, I hate it when departments don't have an admin to do the majority of that type of stuff. Instead of being able to train and deal with one admin-minded person, I have to train (and retrain and retrain) and deal with 10 distracted people. So much more work, so much less efficient on everyone's end. Only I'm in IT.
People will even say "I'm calling you because I don't have an assistant." Um, hold please, while I transfer you to Human Resources. I have it especially bad because 1. I'm female and 2. I used to be an assistant--just because your expense statement is in Excel doesn't mean IT will help you put it together.
ETA: Zaire, I used to work with someone who was afraid of flying, I would have to get diagrams of various planes and he would use them to pick the *exact* seat he wanted.
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Post by michelyn8 on Jan 28, 2014 7:34:48 GMT -5
for years I was the only male admin at work. I would read the huge list of names to all the Admins and all were female. funny I did NOT like making flight arrangements. cause I knew plans were going to change; and they never wanted to pay for the refundable tickets. I do like being an admin, and better for me being a team admin. I always hated travel arrangements because the choices you have to make are really personal preferences. Some like to travel early in the day, others don't want to be at the airport before 10 a.m. Others have airline and seating preferences. And only the individual knows what they are willing to accept and what they are not going to budge on. Sadly, the shift from admins to individual employees can be see in the quality of documents that come out of a business now. I read a revitalization presentation that was recently presented to our Board of Supervisors for the town I live in. I was mortified at the mis-spellings, poor grammar, and the fact that names were butchered. It was very obvious that no one had seriously proofed the document before completion. It used to be the job of an admin to get those minor details right and preserve the professional image of a company. Now that they let just anyone do these things, errors are the norm and standards have dropped.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 28, 2014 7:40:09 GMT -5
What a shame. that would be a perfect part time job for someone who might want to work while their kids are in school and then no bennies or overtime to worry about but an amazing amount of productivity and morale boosting. I know a lunch lady at McDonald's who does just that. I'd love a job like that myself but I'm thinking, after last night, travel agent! Time to reinvent myself. I thought they went the way of the dodo bird but it seems not.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 28, 2014 7:46:43 GMT -5
At my accounting firm, I billed out in 6 minute increments. They didn't want me wasting my time doing admin stuff. Every 2-3 managers would share a secretary. We had a graphics department to prepare our power point presentations. We had a copy person (umm...no clue what the title was!) that would copy and bind client financial statements and presentations. We had a team that just assembled tax returns. And so on and so on.
I am now in private accounting and life is SO different here! Even the president of our company doesn't have a secretary. Our AP does take care of supplies and ordering lunches for meetings, but everything else is on us. There are days I REALLY miss my secretary! And my interns....I loved having young'uns jumping at the chance to do whatever will make you happy...I never had to run out for my own coffee! <<wonders if she should go back to her old firm....>>
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Post by michelyn8 on Jan 28, 2014 8:01:04 GMT -5
At my accounting firm, I billed out in 6 minute increments. They didn't want me wasting my time doing admin stuff. Every 2-3 managers would share a secretary. We had a graphics department to prepare our power point presentations. We had a copy person (umm...no clue what the title was!) that would copy and bind client financial statements and presentations. We had a team that just assembled tax returns. And so on and so on.
I am now in private accounting and life is SO different here! Even the president of our company doesn't have a secretary. Our AP does take care of supplies and ordering lunches for meetings, but everything else is on us. There are days I REALLY miss my secretary! And my interns....I loved having young'uns jumping at the chance to do whatever will make you happy...I never had to run out for my own coffee! <<wonders if she should go back to her old firm....>> You could always open your own firm The smaller firms around here have a receptionist who handles the basic admin duties plus does minor bookeeping for their smaller clients. They hire seasonal help to do data entry, scanning, etc. during tax season. I did that as a part-time job a few years ago until I stuck with doing nothing but scanning. I quit because I had taken the job as much to gain some additional financial experience as for the money and having the scanning for everyone dumped on me because some of the others couldn't get the hang of the scanner pissed me off. I wouldn't mind working for a small firm like that but there would be have to be a clear understanding of what I was there for to prevent the "dumping" again. People find out I have an admin background (and that I'm damn good at it) and they tend to try and migrate those functions to me. Not that I mind helping out but when you're trying to move away/have moved up from admin support, the last thing you want is to continue to have those duties be the bulk of your job.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jan 28, 2014 8:08:09 GMT -5
When I started we had two admins, one who was the timekeeper and booked our travel and another with the title audit visual support specialist. The first left and then we had to book our own travel. Then the second took a buyout and now we do it all.
Someone in DC does order supplies for us because no one here has the proper CC for that. They were pissed they had to do it so they multiplied our order by 4 last time. If I need something I get it out of the cabinet. If it's not there, I tell our new admin it needs ordered. In theory that person should keep an eye on stock in that cabinet and order as needed but pigs might sprout wings and fly too. The new admin can't even scan a report or stats sampling plan and email it correctly.
When I had someone booking my travel I told them what flights I wanted. After they made the reservations, I'd get a thing where I could pick my seats. If I wasn't getting a rental car, I made my own shuttle arrangements. Most of my travel was to conferences so I got a link to the block of rooms at the hotel and booked my own room.
The first admin no one missed. The second one, we still mourn her departure daily and it's been almost a year.
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Post by aliciar6 on Jan 28, 2014 11:00:19 GMT -5
we book our own travel, do the vouchers for payments, put in requests for CC purchases of supplies (since they are the CC holders they buy them), they enter in our time into ATAAPS, boss approves it, we fill out the forms for our training and they pay for it and enter it into the system. It's about 50/50 I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 11:27:42 GMT -5
At my last job (very large company HQ'd in Switzerland), Admins slowly dissapeared, mostly by retirement and other attrition. At the time I did a fair amount of travel. I didn't mind booking my own travel; I'm a bit of a control freak about how much layover I want for a connection in particular airports at particular times of day. So, I'd go on Orbitz (feeling guilty), find what I wanted, then use our on-line booking program. It was a very stupid program. You were REQUIRED to fill in the drop-down box about whether a visa was required even if you were flying from Kansas to Chicago. I took to selecting "Yes" and then when it asked what country I'd type "whooziwhatsistan". Like, shouldn't the travel agency be more expert than I am in determining whether or not a visa is needed? But if you contacted a human at the travel agency they were dumber than the program. I heard that one of our execs couldn't board his flight to Brazil because he didn't have a visa. Oops. (Americans must get a visa in advance to enter Brazil.)
What really drove me nuts was booking meetings and getting meeting rooms- especially since reserving most of the meeting rooms was blocked to everyone but Admins. I did have access to everyone's calendar but it just seemed a huge waste of my time to try and find an available block and book a meeting room.
Our expense account system was awful, especially with multiple currencies.
Current company, my boss has an Admin and it's great to have her around. To book travel I just go upstairs and talk to the humans from our travel agency who sit right there. I don't use the Admin much, but I'm really glad to have her around- and I've told her that repeatedly.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 28, 2014 12:43:38 GMT -5
When I first started working in Engineering for a Fortune 100 Company, we actually had a department admin who answered the phones That job went away with answering machines. I don't mind booking my own travel as long as you have a good system. It is much less likely to be messed up that way.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jan 28, 2014 19:52:37 GMT -5
Today was a perfect example of the difficult part of being an Admin. DO IT YOURSELF! most of the stuff I take care of can be done by the requester. Wait! that didn't come out right! ok- today! perfect example: I helped a new out of town employee get set up about two months ago. so naturally he looks for my help when he is at the location where I work! BUT HE DOES HAVE HIS OWN ADMIN! so he gets to my desk and asks me to reserve a hotel room for him to stay tonight. and waits at my desk til done! so I call the hotel, give them his name, day of arrival, and that is all I know I ask him, how long is the stay I ask him, what is the address of his corporate card - and then just hand him the phone so he provided his home address, his corporate card number, and about four additional questions I have no idea what was asked but his answers were no, no, yes, no, and not right now I have to go! then he hangs up the phone! said Thanks Zaire! and heads out. why involve me in the first place?
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Post by ZaireinHD on Jan 28, 2014 19:56:17 GMT -5
OH and the early days when I first started working as an Admin! my boss comes out of his office, walked 3 doors down into the office I was in, to give me 3 sheets of paper to file! I stand up as soon as he gave me the papers, follow him back to his office, where the file cabinet was, file the papers in the drawer! All before he sat down in his chair at his desk!
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jan 28, 2014 22:03:59 GMT -5
Where I've worked, Administrative Assistant is a title given to secretaries, file clerks, inventory clerks, etc. to do tasks the Professional staff don't have time for. It's not a meaningless position but the job is to do things for the Execs, Partners, Bosses, etc.
Since you're an Admin assistant, and he asked you to file some documents, that's your job. He may have followed you back to his office, but he probably had more important things to do than filing - which is your job.
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Post by Sunnyday on Jan 28, 2014 22:54:13 GMT -5
My work is billed in increments too. Each moment of my day has to be accounted for to charge the client. But all the administrative stuff, writing emails, telephone calls, eat up so much of my time.
But I secretly love love doing administrative work. I think it would be so relaxing to file folders and organize stuff all day long and talk to clients. My job can be very stressful and intense.
Sometimes I see the world as a Tetris game where I'm re-organizing everything just so! But I couldn't do what Zaire does, because I wouldn't want to deal with other people's power trips.
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Post by Apple on Jan 28, 2014 23:17:57 GMT -5
We have been getting more and more admin staff, and they are doing less and less work.
We were recently told we have too many full time employees, so we have to reduce the crews (mechanics, electricians, etc) by 9 people. So, as people retire, they won't back fill. We also have more and more jobs/requirements being dumped on us due to a bunch of new regulations, aging equipment, new installations.
However, the admin staff has added over three new full time positions. And we just found out last week, that if there is an on-the-job injury, they will no longer fill out the required paperwork for the hospital. The supervisor has to fill it out, apparently while he's trying to get someone to the hospital. The paperwork is apparently "no longer their job". Lots more of this happening lately.
Yea for government efficiency.
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