Real Civil War in Libya??

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Wow, Dez-- the UN voted to try the entire family and military leaders for war crimes?? Oh, man, I feel some bad guy blood coming soon. I've been listening to lots of different people on TV. Deal is-- if we (or anyone) goes in to take this guy out-- not easy, and how can anyone do it without hitting civilians?
Plus, he can be like Sodamninsane and dig a hole in the ground and hide. This is starting to sound like a coming war to me, and I don't like that much. We went to Iraq to kill a bad guy, and look what happened. At least we got him, still haven't got Bin Laden.. if he is alive.
Best idea I have heard is the idea that he will be killed by someone close to him that he trusts. Hopefully that is true. Yeah, I know that sounds hard core, but this guy is showing no mercy, and is a total narcissist-- makes Obama look like a newborn baby. (Sorry, dez.)
Personally I would like to see the whole bunch sitting in Gitmo for years and years until the war on terror is over-- which is never... but libs don't like Gitmo. I don't either, really, it is way too soft on the detainees, but better than bringing them here.

[deziloooooo]

Heres another article where insurgents have taken over another city..You can see a large Government building has been burnt out...I don't think there are any leaders of this revolt , if there was I would thing a notice to the people to stop all this burning of public buildings..if they do win the revolt, those buildings belong to the people and can be used by them after they win..the burning of..plus the furnishings inside..the computers..just stupid.
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Protesters chant slogans outside the burnt governor's office in Zawiyah [Reuters]

"Forces loyal to the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have surrounded the city of Zawiyah, where anti-government protesters are bracing for an attack.

Men opposed to Gaddafi were patrolling the streets of the city 50km from the capital on Sunday, saying they had seized weapons and even tanks which they would use to defend themselves.

Ezeldina, a Zawiyah resident, told Al Jazeera that people in the city had raided some military camps.



"We are expecting an attack at any moment," he said. "We are forming rotating watchgroups, guarding the neighbourhood."

Police stations and government offices inside the city have been torched and anti-Gaddafi graffiti painted of "
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Yeah, they really are trashing their cities. To me it seems like just another sign that the young are fighting the battle for the more crafty older ones waiting to swoop in and take over. But what do I know? Not much, just trying to keep up.

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www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/28/military-repositions-forces-preparation-libya-response/

Question to the Democrats here-- if humanitarian efforts to Libya include US troops going in after Gadaffi-- in war mode-- are you people okay with that??

[deziloooooo]

Feb 28, 2011 16:41:28 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/28/military-repositions-forces-preparation-libya-response/

Question to the Democrats here-- if humanitarian efforts to Libya include US troops going in after Gadaffi-- in war mode-- are you people okay with that??

Again with the Democrats...why not a question to all..and as far as I have read, and have been keeping abrest of things, not today though, what is happening?

What leaders there are if there are any particuler strong ones, message coming out of Bengazi, the uprisings headquarters, biggest city in their, insurgents, hands, they want NO foreign intervention as far as major forces.

Want the pressure on the family, Gaddafi and.., , would like a no fly zone and keeping the naval bottled up or letting them , Naval commanders, know by the powers{Western} to don't get involved , stay tied up at dock side, no attacks on Bengazi and other costal cities were the ones who are uprising are, but want NO real out side help, are going to do this them selves.

There is plenty of wealth here, food , could come also fromEgypt, possibnle medical care and such..so why would we be sending in forces.

I understand there are some civilian people, Europe{France..they speak Arabic at least}} and US{Don't speak arabic, are like lost sheep }, trying to explain democratic set ups. political, got that from Al Jazeer, but they don't speak arabic, don't realize this rebellion is coming from the lower , uneducated or marginal educated not the middle class and what ever elites they are and those folks aren't use to dealing with the lower classes .

[deziloooooo]

Thje latest from Lobya seems to be the concerns that the Country is to unstable to find out what the humanitarian problems are there for the UN who want to find out what nmight be needed to help, if help is needed. It seems ther ar ove 100,000 refugees split between Egypt and Tunesia, many Africans , not Arabs though plenty of Arabs too fleeing the carnage.. The dead estimate range from 600 to 2000, not counting the wounded.
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The UN says 40,000 people fleeing Libya have have crossed the Tunisian border [Reuters]

"The fragile security situation in and around the Libya capital of Tripoli has made it too dangerous for international aid agencies to assess the need for medicine, food and other supplies there, the United Nations has said.

"The major concerns are Tripoli and the west where access is extremely difficult because of the security situation," Valerie Amos, the UN humanitarian chief, told Al Jazeera on Monday.

"There are reports that between 600 and 2,000 people have already been killed in Tripoli. We don't know the absolute accurate number because we haven't got people there who are able to do assessments ... we've seen some horrific pictures of what is happening and we really want to be able to go in to help people in the time of need."

Amos also called on countries neighbouring Libya to keep their borders open so refugees can continue to flee.

As of Monday morning, an estimated 61,000 had fled into Egypt, 1,000 to Niger and 40,000 to Tunisia, according to the UN, which said there was concern about water and sanitation for the refugees.

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[deziloooooo]

Latest from Debka..US has dull carrier and help carrier, 1800 Marines, trained in anti insufgency, behind the lines action, off the coast of Libya, possible to be used inn hit and run actions, just a no fly zone, Clinton says all options are on the table.

Remember, Debka is not a official new media site , more articles and thoughts of contributors, but as Krickett says, right many times.
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US weighs hit-and-run raids to disable Qaddafi's air capability
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report February 28, 2011, 10:52 PM

"US is repositioning its naval and air forces around Libya, Pentagon spokesman Col. David Lapan stated Monday, Feb. 28, indicating possible military steps to break the standoff between Muammar Qaddafi's army and rebel forces in the fighting for control of the towns commanding the roads to the capital Tripoli where Qaddafi is barricaded. The reported rebel capture of the key towns of Misrata and Zawiya is technically correct. In fact, they are both surrounded by Libyan troops who control their road links with Tripoli. In Misrata, the army has a valuable edge over opposition forces in its control of the local airfield.

The Pentagon spokesman's indeed remarked that there are "various contingency plans" for the North African country where Muammar Qaddafi's forces and rebels in the east "remain locked in a tense standoff."

Most military observers interpreted his remark as referring to potential US military intervention in Libya to break the stalemate. It was strengthened by the imminent redeployment off the Libyan coast of USS Enterprise from the Red Sea and the amphibious USS Kearsarge, which has a fleet of helicopters and about 1,800 Marines aboard."

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I ask Dems, Dez, because it is more often than not Dems that do not like military action, and we have a Dem POTUS, in charge of what is shaping up to be a military action. Curious how Dems will take it if this becomes nasty. The antiwar/antiBush people are the ones I want to hear answers from. Curious to know if they would support this. And the specifics of why? And if not- why?

[deziloooooo]

Feb 28, 2011 18:17:54 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I ask Dems, Dez, because it is more often than not Dems that do not like military action, and we have a Dem POTUS, in charge of what is shaping up to be a military action. Curious how Dems will take it if this becomes nasty. The antiwar/antiBush people are the ones I want to hear answers from. Curious to know if they would support this. And the specifics of why? And if not- why?

I understand but really ..not so, and where it is so..possible if the dems as you say were listrened to...I just posted a p off me because again, WE are being called on..again .why? why always us.....go read and let me know where I am off here...if we go in..there will , no question about it, some flag draped coming home....been there as some have here and done it and at times ..to do it alone...and to be honest , I listen to the talking heads ..no one mentions that...why us ,,,again.

[deziloooooo]

Nations split as to actions to take in Libya. France, Russia are cautious about military action with out sanctions of the UN, other wise it is just interference in the affairs of a nation. US Admiral explains to just say don't fly if a "no fly zone " is the suggested course, it then becomes more complicated. One has to take care of possible ground assets of the regime, that means combat actions. All is more complicated then the average person realizes.
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The US is repositioning its military assets around Libya even as Britain wants to impose a no-fly zone over the country

Western powers are weighing the military option against Libya's Muammar Gaddafi with US ships being moved to waters closer to Libya and more calls being made for a "no-fly zone" over the North African country.

Russia has however described the no-fly zone idea as "superfluous" and along with France cautioned against moving militarily against Gaddafi without UN authorisation.

“At the moment it seems that the international community is not speaking with one voice on this issue, so in the meantime we will have to wait to see how this plays out,” Al Jazeera’s John Terrett, reporting from Washington, said.

While Jay Carney, a White House spokesman, said on Tuesday that the ships are being moved in order to prepare for contingencies of a chiefly humanitarian nature, he was quick to add that "we aren't taking any options off the table."

Ships to enter Suez

Two US amphibious assault ships, the USS Kearsarge, which can carry 2,000 marines, and the USS Ponce, will pass through Egypt's Suez Canal on Wednesday morning, an Egyptian official said on Tuesday.

The official said the ships would enter the canal at 03:30 GMT.

David Cameron, the British prime minister, on his part said the international community cannot let Gaddafi "murder" his own people, as he justified considerations for a no-fly zone.

"It's not acceptable that Colonel Gaddafi can be murdering his own people, using aeroplanes and helicopters gunships ... and we have to plan now to make sure that if it happens we can do something to stop that," he said.

"If he starts taking that sort of action we might need to have a no-fly zone in place very quickly

[deziloooooo]

In a way it could almost be a B movie comedy. The rebels are attending boot camp, 4 hour a day to learn to be a Army. Actually all young men serve 6 months in the Army, it's not intense military training with many weapons qualification but at least basic military skills.
Listening to NPR radio today, the reporter was in a coastal village that had a big military ware house complex stuffed with weapons. Older ones , and there were a lot of the stuff strewn around from being broken into , but they had 30 people or so, all disorganized as guards, playing soldier. One to impress reporters took a RPG fired it into the desert, it didn't go off but it was like a bunch of kids in a candy store.
Now it seems they are training to be able to move in a military way, on to Tripoli.
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Opposition fighters in Libya, who have withstood several large-scale attacks by government forces, are preparing to march on the capital, Tripoli.

"At locations across the eastern city of Benghazi, civilians are gathering for boot camp, learning how to move as a battalion and fire weapons, in preparation to the march.

The leaders of these ragtag units springing up across eastern Libya say they already have 5,000 volunteers.

For their part, forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, are battling to regain control of the rebel-held towns close to Tripoli, trying to create a buffer zone around his seat of power.

On Wednesday there were reports that pro-Gaddafi forces have regained territory.

The developments come as the US sends warships to the area as part of a Western effort to pile more pressure on Gaddafi to stop his violent crackdown and step aside.

The destroyer USS Barry moved through the Suez Canal on Monday and into the Mediterranean Sea.




Two amphibious assault ships, the USS Kearsarge, which can carry 2,000 marines, and the USS Ponce were in the Red Sea and were expected to go through the canal early on Wednesday.

The White House said the ships were being redeployed in preparation for possible humanitarian efforts but stressed it
"was not taking any options off the table".

"We are looking at a lot of options and contingencies. No decisions have been made on any other actions," Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, said"
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[deziloooooo]

This morning it looks like Gadafi is striking back at the ones in the uprising...useing his Airforce, bombing taking place..
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Battle rages over Libyan oil port
The Libyan air force has bombed Brega as fighting between pro-Gaddafi forces and opponents continued.
Last Modified: 02 Mar 2011 16:12 GMT

The Libyan air force has bombed the oil refinery and port town of Marsa El Brega as battles between forces loyal and against Muammar Gaddafi raged in several towns across the North African country.

"We just watched an air force jet ... fly over Brega and drop at least one bomb and huge plumes of smoke are now coming out ," Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley said on Wednesday.

The warplane from Gadhafi's air force struck a beach near where the two sides were fighting at a university campus.

A witness said the blast raised a plume of sand from a dune but caused no casualties, apparently an attempt to scare off the anti-Gadhafi fighters besieging regime forces in the campus.

"All the fighters here are massing. We understand that something like 250-300 pro-Gaddafi fighters are inside Brega and they are being surrounded," our correspondent said.

The bombing of Brega and reports about the fall of Gharyan and Sabratha towns in the country's northwest to pro-Gaddafi forces came as Gaddafi appeared on state television once again.
Located between Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte -- still under government control -- and the opposition-held eastern port of Benghazi, Brega also sits near ethnic fault lines between tribes loyal to Gaddafi and eastern groups opposed to him.

"They tried to take Brega this morning, but they failed," Mustafa Gheriani, a spokesman for the February 17th Coalition, an anti-government group, told the Reuters news agency.

"It is back in the hands of the revolutionaries. He is trying to create all kinds of psychological warfare to keep these cities on edge."

Al Jazeera's Jacky Rowland, reporting from Benghazi, Libya's second largest city now controlled by rebels, described the situation in the Brega region as fluid.

" I think it's fair to say that here is a fair amount of fighting going on in that area," she said.

Earlier the Associated Press news agency quoted Ahmed Jerksi, manager of the oil installation in Brega, as saying that pro-Gaddafi forces took control of the facility at dawn without using force.

There were conflicting claims about the casualties from these battles.
Government forces were also reported to be battling to regain control of rebel-held towns close to Tripoli, trying to create a buffer zone around what is still Gaddafi's seat of power.

Our correspondent said an air raid carried out by forces loyal to Gaddafi reportedly targeted a weapons store about 6km outside the eastern town of Ajdabiya.

Witnesses told the Associated Press news agency that they saw two warplanes bomb the town's eastern outskirts at 10am local time.
They also said pro-Gaddafi forces were advancing on the town. "I see two jets bombing now,'' one witness said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Another witness said rebel forces were rushing to the western side of Ajdabiya to meet the advancing pro-Gaddafi force.
Libyan forces have launched repeated air raids during the two-week revolt but all of them have been reported to target facilities that store weapons in areas controlled by the rebels
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[floridayankee]

Feb 24, 2011 12:26:58 GMT -5 wyouser said:

Perhaps ....blame could be placed on Field Marshall Montgomery..he drove out the Italians and the Germans from Libya in 1943....

Actually, why not blame Thomas Jefferson? He lead America into the First Barbary War in 1801.

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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/af_libya
Rebels corner fleeing Gadhafi forces after battle
Paul Schemm, Associated Press – 4 mins ago

.............In the capital of Tripoli, Gadhafi warned against U.S. or other Western intervention, vowing to turn Libya into "another Vietnam," and saying any foreign troops coming into his country "will be entering hell and they will drown in blood."................

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[handyman2]

There may be another answer. Qaddafi brought in mercenary solders to help fight. His funds have been frozen and he cannot pay them. They may well turn on him. Would that not be nice. Exacuted by his own group of mercenaries.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 2, 2011 22:47:10 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

There may be another answer. Qaddafi brought in mercenary solders to help fight. His funds have been frozen and he cannot pay them. They may well turn on him. Would that not be nice. Exacuted by his own group of mercenaries.

Actually I think our people are praying just for that to happen

[deziloooooo]

For those who might not be following or missing the CNN broadcast,..this is desturbing but I must type it, forgive me if it is to much for you, and I believe what I just heard, no one can make this up unless they are a professional actor and have a scrip in front of them.

Back Ground: CNN has been getting average people from Libya on the phone to give actual happenings in the country.

A man came on the line, had just crossed the border into Egypt. He and his brother had been out in thes streets, were in a small restaurant taking a break. Tripoly I beleive. Missed that exactly. . Security came in , asked the brother to come with them. This man knew something was wrong but could do nothing for his brother and was scared they also had targeted him. He called the family, explained what had happened and made his way to the border. The family had no way to know what had happened to the brother and what peopls do in these situations, they are common, , they can't go to the authorities to find out anything , they go to the hospitals, the morgues and look through the bodies.
They found the brother , dead, morgue. Where before the dead were being shot, usually in the face, now they basically break the backs, spines , back of the head. This way pictures of the slain not put on the facebook , blog sites to see the atrocities , the brutality, The shooting there could blame the government and mercenary forces.
Hospitals will say, he was found on the streets, street crime, no blame on the government.

This man was with his brother, was with him when taken away, and now his brother is dead. He said to remember his brother , he was so happy that Libya was to be free.

I felt so much sorrow for him. I thought of my lovely brother , gone now, miss him so, but his passing was peaceful as it should be if at all possible.

What is happening here, it is a brutal thing , he , Gaddafi, will not survive, he and his underlings and sons, should not be granted the right to go into exile, he has to be brought to justice and if he is taken out by his people, that would be fine too.

I hope this was not to strong from me. If moderators feel it's a bit much, just PM me , will quickly remove but after hearing the brothers voice explain what went down, through the tears , I just had to type.

[mmhmm]

What a sadness for the man's family, Dez. A terrible loss to them. However, Gadhafi will, without compunction, slaughter every man, woman and child in that country before he'll give up.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 2, 2011 23:21:54 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

What a sadness for the man's family, Dez. A terrible loss to them. However, Gadhafi will, without compunction, slaughter every man, woman and child in that country before he'll give up.

You know mmhmm, when there is a lot of victems they get jumbled up into a lot of victems, but when there is one or two and one can identify with them, here the brothers were together in a dangerouse but happy time, I can picture the excitement , the possibilities that they were seeing and going to be able to possible live themselves, their families and then this happens,,,and one can't help the other.
Not that it's my business, my people, but I think, I was in those places, I have the experience , Desire too, I was good at this let me...let me at least show them how, and then the age, , the leg the reality... not my time anymore and better , really, they do this themselves as much as they can, even if more fall, it will have a meaning that they can build on.

[mmhmm]

To me, Dez, they are my people. They're just like me. They have all the same appendages, the same hopes and dreams, the same needs for food, clothing and a place to be. They're born and die, just as I was born, and will die. We're all just human beings, trying to live our lives.

When Iran fell, in 79, we were there. I saw things I never thought I'd see. I was terrified for my students, and wonder to this day how many of them are still alive today. I didn't have to watch anyone die, thankfully, but I experienced their fear, and their exaltation. They had hopes and dreams, just as these people do. Now, I must look at what all those deaths brought them.

The world can be a beautiful place, but it can also be a very sad, and frightening one. We cannot really help in the situation in Libya, IMO. If we have to go in to get Americans out, that's one thing; however, we're not the world's cop (or, shouldn't be). In my estimation, it's time the whole Middle East begins to take its own responsibilities and clean up its own house.

[deziloooooo]

From this report by "Debka", ot seems Gaddafi forces are in a stronger position then thought, rebel forces seem to be unablr to march on Tripoli and even get the upper hand here and foreign intervention seems not in the plans
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The US, UK, Libyan opposition lack military strength to take on Qaddafi

DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis March 2, 2011, 7:38 PM (GMT+02:00)

Qaddafi's forces mount counter-offensive

Barring changes in the military situation, Muammar Qaddafi looked Wednesday, March 2, as though he had averted his regime's immediate danger of collapse by dint of a successful counter-offensive against rebel forces. His prospects had strikingly improved since Saturday, Feb. 26, when President Barack Obama told him to leave and the UN Security Council clamped down sanctions on his regime.

During the day, the regime's armored forces and commandos supported by the Libyan Air Force recaptured parts of Brega, Libya's refinery city and supplier of the country's benzene, and sections of the Bay of Sirte town of Ajdabiya. debkafile's military sources say the loss of Brega will cause severe fuel and refined oil shortages in rebel-held Cyrenaica in the east.

Saif al-Islam, who has been running his father Muammar Qaddafi's propaganda campaign since the uprising began more than two weeks ago (Feb. 17), told the French Le Figaro confidently on Wednesday: "It's true that it's a bit messy in the east, a few hundred people died there, but within two days everything will be back in order."

As his counter-offensive went forward, Qaddafi himself addressed a public event in Tripoli covered by state television, looking relaxed and self-confident.

The reverses suffered by the rebels were implicit in their appeal to the West Tuesday night, March 1 for military intervention, when a few hours earlier they rejected foreign troops coming to their aid.

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[deziloooooo]

Heavy casualties are being taken by anti Gaddafi forces , as pro Gaddafi forces are trying to take the town/ area where the major oil dacilities are. Watching on CNN this AM, while some insurgents are shown armed, the majority are not and are taking casualties, there are also killing being done in Tripole, MG being used against civilians.
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Fighting rages in Libya's east

"At least 30 civilians killed after Gaddafi loyalists try to retake rebel-held town of Az Zawiyah, witnesses say.
Last Modified: 04 Mar 2011 17:36 GMT

Many eastern parts of the country have already fallen to anti-Gaddafi forces [Reuters]

At least 30 civilians have been killed after security forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, Libyan leader, attempted to retake the rebel-held town of Az Zawiyah, near the capital Tripoli, that has for days been defying his rule, witnesses have said.

The rebellion in Az Zawiyah - the closest rebel-held territory to the capital and also the site of an oil refinery - has been an embarassment to the Libyan authorities who are trying to show they control at least the west of the country.

Eastern regions of the country, around the city of Benghazi, have already fallen out of Gaddafi's control after a popular revolt against his four decades of rule.

"I have been to hospital less than 15 minutes ago. Dozens were killed and more were wounded," Mohamed, a Zawiyah resident, told the Reuters news agency.

"We have counted 30 dead civilians. The hospital was full. They could not find space for the casualties.

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"We receive updates from the hospital and they say the number of casualties is rising."

Another resident, Ibrahim, said between 40 and 50 people were killed in the clashes.

Their accounts could not be independently verified because reporters' movements in Libya are restricted.

Anita McNaught, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Tripoli, said a source close to the Libyan government had told her that Az Zawiyah "has been retaken by government forces".

Libyan state television is also reporting that pro-Gaddafi forces have now taken the town from rebel hands.

A rebel leader in Az Zawiyah was also killed in the clashes on Friday.

"Many people were killed in Harsha, which is now occupied by them," Youssef Shagan, a rebel spokesman, told the Reuters news agency, referring to a small town just outside Az Zawiyah.

"They shot at civilians. We still control [Az Zawiyah's] central square. They are four to five kilometers away. Our army commander has been killed in Harsha. We have appointed a new one"
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[deziloooooo]

Latest from "Debka "...Gaddafis forces are retaking areas lost, rebels advancing but will be running into units of the armed forces in their camps guarding Gaddafi's home town, who may be still supporting Gaddafi and Gaddafi has moved his Air Force away from the coast so if there are no fly zones put into place , the planes doing the no fly constraints, would have to refuel to reach those planes of Gaddafi's..
As a commentator said on Zakaria's Sunday show, he was one who was dealing with him on the UN department who was overseeing Libya's philanthropy commitments to the UN, had dealings with Gaddafi over the past few years as well as his son Safe , as a student in London, in finance, banking, says we are dealing with a tribal revolutionary leader in his mind. Gaddafi and family, would probably fight to the end, sons too , coming to the aid of family and tribe, not go into exile and in a way Safe , his westernized son, who was attempting to be westernized , more moderate in his out look, educated, go straight in a way, reminds him of Michael Corleone, in the God Father films who if you remember, is depicted coming home from the 2nd WW a hero, breaking away from his father and that part of the business, but in the end, supported his father, family and became even more vicious then all of them in the end.
Possible they same thing will happen here as Gadaffi , getting old, not well, possible a bit dislusional, is replaced by the the sons if they win this thing.
Also discussed, the fact that Libya is a tribal society, there are no organized parties, groups, or history toward democratic organizations.
While young groups can rise up and over throw tyrants , one needs citizens to bring about Democratic principals and it is questioned if that is present here, there is a good chance that if Gaddafi falls, Libya could break into civil war, fiefdoms of warlords, break into tribal groups fighting over the spoils, not into a country exploring Democratic principals as in Egypt today.
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Libyan army strikes rebels, halts their advance on Sirte

DEBKAfile Special Report March 6, 2011, 6:58 PM (GMT+02:00)

March 6,
"Pro-Qaddafi forces followed up their successes of Saturday - when they regained a cluster of Gulf of Sirte (Sidra) towns east of Tripoli and captured Zawiya west of the capital - by breaking through to the bridge leading to the center of the key town of Misratah. There, opposition forces have cleared traffic to prepare for their last stand. debkafile's military sources report Qaddafi's navy is pounding the rebels from the sea and has blockaded the town to prevent them from bringing in fresh supplies of reinforcements and ammunition. Local medics reported at least 18 dead in the fighting in Misrata Sunday.

In the face of these reverses, anti-Qaddafi were doggedly trying to advance on Sirte, another key town like Misratah on the road to Tripoli, but are stranded at Bin Jawad, 150 kilometers east of Sirte, by heavy air bombardment.

Another obstacle in their path is the big complex of army camps holding the bulk of the units loyal to Qadafi at Wadi al Ahmar and forming Sirte's eastern defense rampart. On paper, the opposition forces don't stand a chance of breaking through that defense line. They are outnumbered and outgunned in addition to being under air and sea attac"
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