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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 13:09:52 GMT -5
With Obama's executive branch employees, (nationwide), behind on their taxes by a reported one billion dollars, , , , a BILLION dollars, , , the 9.3 million owed by Congressional staffers seems downrightright paltry. With a new roll of lawmakers to draw from, one congressman is proposing to rid America's taxpayers of the deadbeats that make up those delinquencies. He tried to do it last year under the Democrat congress but it went nowhere. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021706351_pf.htmland: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/17/AR2010091706583_pf.html
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 20, 2011 13:13:18 GMT -5
With Obama's executive branch employees, (nationwide), behind on their taxes by a reported one billion dollars, , , , a BILLION dollars, , , the 9.3 million owed by Congressional staffers seems downrightright paltry. With a new roll of lawmakers to draw from, one congressman is proposing to rid the taxpayers of America the deadbeats that make up those delinquencies. He tried to do it last year under the Democrat congress but it went nowhere. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021706351_pf.htmlYes - maybe a short window of amnesty where the employees can either pay up of set up a payment plan with the IRS - and then fire those who do not comply
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 13:26:18 GMT -5
Vonnie, there is already such a provision in the tax regs. It's called a Form 9465 Installment Agreement and can be filled out on screen and printed for submission. See it, (with instructions), at: www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f9465.pdfFor those who have trouble with the English language they also have it in Spanish at: www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f9465sp.pdfWouldn't it be fair to classify an employee of the Executive Branch, , , or especially the Legislativwe Branch, , , who doesn't already know how to keep ahead of the IRS , , , , a deadbeat? And wouldn't the American taxpayer be better served if they would just admit it, get off the payroll, and go on welfare? Or would doing that rerquire a charactistic of personal responsibility that government employee taxpayer deadbeats don't have?
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Post by workpublic on Feb 20, 2011 13:36:45 GMT -5
don't they have to pass a credit, drug, background check before getting the job? like everyoine else? ;-)
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 20, 2011 13:38:04 GMT -5
Vonnie, there is already such a provision in the tax regs. It's called a Form 9465 Installment Agreement and can be filled out on screen and printed for submission. See it, (with instructions), at: www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f9465.pdfFor those who have trouble with the English language they also have it in Spanish at: www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f9465sp.pdfWouldn't it be fair to classify an employee of the Executive Branch, , , or especially the Legislativwe Branch, , , who doesn't already know how to keep ahead of the IRS , , , , a deadbeat? And wouldn't the American taxpayer be better served if they would just admit it, get off the payroll, and go on welfare? Or would doing that rerquire a charactistic of personal responsibility that government employee taxpayer deadbeats don't have? I know - I just think it would be appropriate to say something on the order of - starting June 1st you are either settled up with the IRS or you are off the Federal payroll (maybe even threaten to deny Unemployment comp). Giving the "deadbeat" employees a few weeks amnesty - and then actually follow thru with the firings
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 13:41:48 GMT -5
Rachets, They can. But you have to remember , , , these people get their paychecks from the same computers that IRS employees do. There is a code involved. They all work for the same boss, and they don't cause the boss any headaches by policing each other.
It's the small print in the whistleblower's pamphlet, doncha know?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 13:44:21 GMT -5
I don't think this is a partisan thing, i think both sides do it. I would be for firing i guess... but it would have to be blatent and sustained. And there should be an opportunity to right the wrong. I got a letter from the state income tax collector this year that i hadn't paid 2008, 600 or so dollars i owed. I looked over my records, and i cannot find where the check was cashed paying them... not sure how i missed it then?... but i paid it, and no problem, but its not like it was blatent, or sustained, i had paid all the others, it was an error, and it got corrected... i wouldn't want people fired for an error...
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 13:48:22 GMT -5
Vonnie, if they get the axe for "cause" there is automatically no Unemployment bennies. , , , , , , , , , , , but of course these are , , , ahem , , , the highly educated, (most gov't employees have some college behind them and many have degrees, (bills tells us that anyway), so unloading all that education and experience over a few bucks, what with all the union protection they have these days, is going to be an uphill endeavor. (I'd say uphill "battle", but that reference is a no-no for conservatives ever since the Tucson shootout.)
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 13:54:08 GMT -5
With Obama's executive branch employees,... You do realize that [glow=red,2,300]OBAMA[/glow] executive branch employee's could only be delinquent for a little over ten months don't you? Why do you have to make this an anti-Obama issue? BTW, I agree with vonnie that these people be told, "Solve the problem by October 15(?) or you will no longer be employed by the US government."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 13:55:29 GMT -5
Yeah, i went back and read, The IRS information does not identify delinquent taxpayers by name, party affiliation or job title and does not indicate whether members of Congress are among the scofflaws. It shows that 638 employees, or about 4 percent, of the 18,000 Hill workers owe money, a slightly higher percentage than the 3 percent delinquency rate among all returns filed nationwide.
... there is no 'Obama' to this issue... and the bill being proposed is being propossed by a republican and a democrat... both sides would like this practice stopped...
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 14:12:42 GMT -5
Obama is in charge. That makes it an Obama thing. Just like everything that happened between the poles was Bush's fault, this is Obama's fault. . . . . except the Capitol Hill employees are additional Reid/Pelosi baggage.
And why does it take an Act of Congress to correct? Why doesn't Obama just put out one of his famous Executive Orders to the effect that after such and such a date, anyone still in debt for back taxes will need to clean out their desks one day prior to that, , , and leave the key to the building with the guard at the door on their way out?
But then again, , , we have to remember that Obama's choice for Secretary of the Treasury came on board with a history of being a tax deadbeat himself.
oped, I am glad you noticed that government employees are the biggest percentile of tax deadbeats in the country.
Rachets, I can recall a PCS from the west coast to the east coast once when I drew advance travel pay. They entered it on my pay record and sent it ahead. When I showed up I discovered that I had left my travel orders somewhere aklong the way and was not able to offset the travel advance. They didn't even leave me toothpaste money. They took my whole paycheck for two months.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 14:23:05 GMT -5
Obama is in charge. That makes it an Obama thing. Just like everything that happened between the poles was Bush's fault, this is Obama's fault. . . . . except the Capitol Hill employees are additional Reid/Pelosi baggage. ... You have got to be SHITTING me. You were am to type and post that? ? Can you say BOEHNER??? Of course you can't.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 14:31:15 GMT -5
"........Can you say BOEHNER??? Of course you can't......"
Maybe I can, bills. But I ned to know why. Since this was all set in motion under the last, (Reid/Pelosi), congress, tell me how Boehner is responsible for their lack of leadership.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 14:36:27 GMT -5
"........Can you say BOEHNER??? Of course you can't......" Maybe I can, bills. But I ned to know why. Since this was all set in motion under the last, (Reid/Pelosi), congress, tell me how Boehner is responsible for their lack of leadership. Obama is in charge. That makes it an Obama thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 14:41:45 GMT -5
oped, I am glad you noticed that government employees are the biggest percentile of tax deadbeats in the country.
Uh... i don't think you read me right on that one... i acknowledged no such thing. 638 employees owe an average, the article said, of 12K... so 7,656,000 ... not quite the billion dollars you suggest? ... or the 'biggest percentile(?) of tax deadbeats...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 14:50:48 GMT -5
Ok.. i see you meant all federal employees, in the 1 billion, with the 638 being capital hill staffers... and the total was 9.3 billion for hill staffers... i went back again... sorry about that... It does mention levels being apx. what they were under Bush... it went down first in 2007, then back up... I do think it is something that should be dealt with...
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 15:26:01 GMT -5
bills, #14. You're making my day. Even when you don't have anything to say, you go ahead and say it anyway.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 15:59:56 GMT -5
bills, #14. You're making my day. Even when you don't have anything to say, you go ahead and say it anyway. You mine also. I point out that little of the outstanding tax debt of employees of the executive branch was incurred under Obama but you say, "He is in charge. His problem." You also indicate that it is Pelosi's problem that House employees have debt because, well, "She used to be in charge."
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 16:25:05 GMT -5
But bills, he campaigned on Hope and Cahnge!!! "Change you can believe in" was what he called it. And now after two full years he hasn't changed anything for the better.
Well, maybe YOU can find something better, but you're special. You're so special we need you to tell us what is better now than before he took office. He sure hasn't done anything to get his wards to pay their taxes. Do you know what his plans are abiut that?
Fact is, I wonder if he has always paid his own taxes. His history is still a blank piece of paper, so maybe he skipped there too, and maybe some of the millions he has spent to keep that paper blank was devoted to making sure his tax history stays buried.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 16:27:51 GMT -5
Well... the stock market has fully recovered... as have corporate profits... that's a good thing... right Henry... Actually, the amount owed did drop by like a 3rd when dems came in in 2007... but then in the past year it ticked up 32% again... wonder why?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 16:35:15 GMT -5
... Well, maybe YOU can find something better, but you're special. You're so special ... Thanks. Love it when people that I am attempting to discuss something with find it necessary to resort to this tactic. It lets me know that I am on solid ground.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 16:47:16 GMT -5
... Fact is, I wonder if he has always paid his own taxes. His history is still a blank piece of paper, so maybe he skipped there too, and maybe some of the millions he has spent to keep that paper blank was devoted to making sure his tax history stays buried. Barack Obama today released his 2000-2006 tax returns: taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html TaxProf Blog: Obama Releases 2007 Tax ReturnApr 17, 2008 ... Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama yesterday released his 2007 tax return Obama Tax Returns For 2008: See The Complete FilingsApr 15, 2009 ... Obama's tax returns show leap in income - Barack Obama News ... Obamas Tax Return RELEASED For 2009: President Pulled In $5.5 ...Apr 15, 2010 ... Obama Tax Returns For 2008: See The Complete Filings · TaxProf Blog: Barack Obama's ... TaxProf Blog: Obama Releases 2000-2006 Tax Returns ...
[glow=red,2,300]Yes, but what about when he was 12 and had a paper route. [/glow]
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 17:21:54 GMT -5
No, not when he has his paper route in Indonesia, , , or delivering papers by drumbeat in Kenya, , , or even in Hawaii. But more like when he suddenly had enough money to attend the ivy covered walls at Haaahvaaaard, and during the years he was ripping off the taxpayers as a community organizer with Bill Ayers, the Annenberg Foundation and Tony Rezko in Chicago.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 20, 2011 17:25:42 GMT -5
we need to know all they way back to his first W2.
ditto bush. ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 17:57:57 GMT -5
No, not when he has his paper route in Indonesia, , , or delivering papers by drumbeat in Kenya, , , or even in Hawaii. But more like when he suddenly had enough money to attend the ivy covered walls at Haaahvaaaard, and during the years he was ripping off the taxpayers as a community organizer with Bill Ayers, the Annenberg Foundation and Tony Rezko in Chicago. You have something against the Annenberg foundation too Henry? You do know that he and his wife were best pals with President Reagon don't you, a big Republican contributer, and his wife sat next to Nancy , giving comfort as only a close friend could at the Presidents funeral. The foundation does some great work, he gave away Billions during his life, so much for education. Is it the foundations philantropy for NPR and Public Television that has you so upset? Just wondering why the anomosity?
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 18:18:49 GMT -5
"......The foundation does some great work, he gave away Billions during his life, so much for education........" And when they let Bill Ayers and Obama set up their "Annenberg educational" whatever it was, the City of Chicago school performance plummeted, but Ayers and Obama raked in their share of the money off of it.
It reads like the Obama/Ayers team found themselves a patsy in the Annenbergs, and the Annenbergs were too embarassed to retaliate.
"......Just wondering why the anomosity....."
Not animosity desi. Just unanswered questions, , , , all hidden behind the Annenberg curtain, as in this piece of ancient history that has yet to be ventilated:
How many people are aware that Senator Obama has ties to Factcheck.org, the “non-partisan” political “fact checking” site, vis-a-vis the Annenberg Foundation? Or that the controversies surrounding Obama, such as his ties to Bill Ayers, a former member of the violent Vietnam War era Weather Underground terrorist group, and the veracity of Obama’s “birth certificate” are both linked to Factcheck and Annenberg.
FactCheck.org – Annenberg Political Fact Check: The Annenberg Foundation is at the center of the ongoing Obama-Bill Ayers controversy. Ayers was a former member of the homegrown terrorist group, the Weather Underground, which took credit for bombing the Pentagon, the Capital Building, and the New York City Metro Police Department plus 30+ other bombings during the Vietman War era.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 18:31:06 GMT -5
If an indpendent fact checking organization, with a mission for honest, transparent public communication, finds that there is no conspiracy, where Henry thinks one exists... then it must be because they are part of the conspiracy...
... or so i understand from his postings...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 20, 2011 19:05:32 GMT -5
Like everything else it is a matter of proof. If fraud is involved, being fired is irrelevant as the person should be jailed. On the other hand, sometimes one has a legitimate tax dispute. That, after all is what pays for CPAs. I fondly remember Nixon's wonderful use of the IRS... - and Hillary's
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 20, 2011 19:32:36 GMT -5
The IRS is a revenue-generating arm of the government and nothing else. The more they focus on Jihads against specific groups based on political opinion, the less comfortable the average American would be with them, regardless of one's own tax status. After all, the tax code is full of arcana and it is quite easy to be tripped up by a difference of opinion. For those of us whose paychecks come direct from Burger King or the local temp agency and have 5 cents in the bank, taxes can be very cut and dried. Not so when things like taxation of underwater stock options, real estate, businesses, etc are brought into play. That is not so easy to parse. I would like to argue with you, but you are right - the more cut and dried your taxes are - the less interest the IRS has in your return.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 19:42:10 GMT -5
Actually, the IRS has more interest in the simplest returns of the lowest income people as it is easier to spot such mistakes .... But can they collect more from the mistake than the cost of the stamp to mail a notification that a mistake was make?
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