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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 0:12:42 GMT -5
Well, it would seem that we've completely strayed from discussing the substance of West's attack on the fiscal irresponsibility of Democrats and we are now discussing his character. Based on that, I can conclude the Democrats and liberals here have lost the argument. Is there substance there to discuss? Seemed like a bunch of generalized attacks. I wish that the both major political parties would work harder to find common ground for cuts.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 1:27:35 GMT -5
... Picture a nuke coming at us-- while Obama tried to figure out how to negotiate his way out of it. Sometimes force must be met with force. .... Interesting imagery. A well thought out retaliation would be my preference. I would go along with that and would guarantee it, a cinder would be the aftermath, well thought out by the way.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 1:39:14 GMT -5
“Government sets the conditions for job and economic growth, it does not create jobs. It sure can kill jobs, though. The American people are with people like Alan West. They aren't about to settle for band-aid solutions, and poltical games. They were aiming for real reform in November 2010, and if they find they didn't get it-- both parties can stand the &$^# by because reform is coming, if not with this Congress, then the next. what has this got to do with West, the long discussion Bills and I have been having over basiclly a difference of how two two words are being interpeted, and none had anything to do with, jobs, band aid solutions, politics, beyond my suggsting politics were in play here regarding Iraq, a Iraqui , policeman that might have been a person involved in planting IED's , thus a embarressment to the Iraqui government, physically or with infornmation where a convoy may or may not be, real reform in November, and possible , I think inferring they will be voted out if the don't ^%$# and some how Congress is in there too... I think you have your threads mixed up here palm, I really do.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 1:46:50 GMT -5
Well, it would seem that we've completely strayed from discussing the substance of West's attack on the fiscal irresponsibility of Democrats and we are now discussing his character. Based on that, I can conclude the Democrats and liberals here have lost the argument. At this point I can't remember where bills is, anymore, I think he's somewhat middle left. I know I am middle left and I feel I won the discussion, but on this, as far as the rating of sanity and emotions of the COL we are at opposites here. Henry I believe I can say leans right , correct Henry, and surprisingly, I am getting he is siding with me indirectly but suggsting Bills is a pinko or at least not as patriotic as he could be and against the US military and our boys and girls in uniform which I disagree with him on if he is, so I don't know how that figures in the win lose columns, which means you have your thoughts on winners , losers all wrong.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 1:49:21 GMT -5
So now we are measuring West on his remembering how many times he fired his 9 millimeter? I recall being on an officer evaluation board for the local police some years ago. There had been a hostage situation the week before where the hostage and the hostage taker were both killed. It had Gone on for hours, with the hostage taker's gun duct taped to his hand and his hand duct taped to her head. 7 police officers had their guns drawn and ready while two negotiators took turns trying to defuse everything and calm the hostage taker down. There was no immediate threat against the police officers at all, and they were positioned behind doors, walls and a couple of trees. Nobody knows exactly what set if off, but the place erupted in gunfire and both the hostage and the hostage taker were killed. Everybody on the scene was immediately disarmed and told they could either go home or go see a counselor. During the boards' evaluation the number of rounds fired was discussed. The officers all gave varying accounts of how many rounds they carried in their weapons on duty. A couple of the officers admitted emptying their weapons at the hostage taker. Most said they fired "a couple of rounds", and one said he had only fired once. The hostage taker was shot 28 times and the hostage was hit 6 times. The hostage taker's pistol had not been fired. Four of the weapons were empty. There were 53 shell casings picked up at the scene. Hot heads? All seven? I guess so. I take it these were just cops, not highly trained swat, special action, hostage negotiataor back ups , just cops?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 1:56:49 GMT -5
It sure can kill jobs, though. The American people are with people like Alan West. They aren't about to settle for band-aid solutions, and poltical games. They were aiming for real reform in November 2010, and if they find they didn't get it-- both parties can stand the &$^# by because reform is coming, if not with this Congress, then the next. what has this got to do with West, the long discussion Bills and I have been having over basiclly a difference of how two two words are being interpeted, and none had anything to do with, jobs, band aid solutions, politics, beyond my suggsting politics were in play here regarding Iraq, a Iraqui , policeman that might have been a person involved in planting IED's , thus a embarressment to the Iraqui government, physically or with infornmation where a convoy may or may not be, real reform in November, and possible , I think inferring they will be voted out if the don't ^%$# and some how Congress is in there too... I think you have your threads mixed up here palm, I really do. The thread started with a letter that West sent to his district informing them of what he thought about the Democrats in Congress and in Wisconsin.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 2:05:46 GMT -5
what has this got to do with West, the long discussion Bills and I have been having over basiclly a difference of how two two words are being interpeted, and none had anything to do with, jobs, band aid solutions, politics, beyond my suggsting politics were in play here regarding Iraq, a Iraqui , policeman that might have been a person involved in planting IED's , thus a embarressment to the Iraqui government, physically or with infornmation where a convoy may or may not be, real reform in November, and possible , I think inferring they will be voted out if the don't ^%$# and some how Congress is in there too... I think you have your threads mixed up here palm, I really do. The thread started with a letter that West sent to his district informing them of what he thought about the Democrats in Congress and in Wisconsin. Damn, your right..forgot that, me bad , so long ago...and I responded with just a suggesting he might be care ful there because the seat he is in is a Democratic one and yadda, yadda...completely then went off to the what ever....
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 2:11:59 GMT -5
Well, it would seem that we've completely strayed from discussing the substance of West's attack on the fiscal irresponsibility of Democrats and we are now discussing his character. Based on that, I can conclude the Democrats and liberals here have lost the argument. At this point I can't remember where bills is, anymore, I think he's somewhat middle left. I know I am middle left and I feel I won the discussion, but on this, as far as the rating of sanity and emotions of the COL we are at opposites here. Henry I believe I can say leans right , correct Henry, and surprisingly, I am getting he is siding with me indirectly but suggsting Bills is a pinko or at least not as patriotic as he could be and against the US military and our boys and girls in uniform which I disagree with him on if he is, so I don't know how that figures in the win lose columns, which means you have your thoughts on winners , losers all wrong. Henry is well right, not leaning that direction. I am a pinko if that means I support a more socialistic economic system in this country. I am not as patriotic as I could be. Extreme nationalism is a problem IM(not so)HO. Blind support of every action of people wearing a US military uniform is absurd. Blind support of every action which our military is positioned to do by its civilian leadership is even more absurd.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 2:13:53 GMT -5
The thread started with a letter that West sent to his district informing them of what he thought about the Democrats in Congress and in Wisconsin. Damn, your right..forgot that, me bad , so long ago...and I responded with just a suggesting he might be care ful there because the seat he is in is a Democratic one and yadda, yadda...completely then went off to the what ever.... That's okay. There wasn't really anything to discuss about the letter. It was just a rant.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 2:20:33 GMT -5
At this point I can't remember where bills is, anymore, I think he's somewhat middle left. I know I am middle left and I feel I won the discussion, but on this, as far as the rating of sanity and emotions of the COL we are at opposites here. Henry I believe I can say leans right , correct Henry, and surprisingly, I am getting he is siding with me indirectly but suggesting Bills is a pinko or at least not as patriotic as he could be and against the US military and our boys and girls in uniform which I disagree with him on if he is, so I don't know how that figures in the win lose columns, which means you have your thoughts on winners , losers all wrong. Henry is well right, not leaning that direction. I am a pinko if that means I support a more socialistic economic system in this country. I am not as patriotic as I could be. Extreme nationalism is a problem IM(not so)HO. Blind support of every action of people wearing a US military uniform is absurd. Blind support of every action which our military is positioned to do by its civilian leadership is even more absurd. But the ones who are sent, have to support them...why sent , those who make those decisions...have to trust but we have been burned there so many times...but the ones there, believe me...except for a few, rather be elsewhere but they will believe in their mission, even in a place like Iraq, Afghanistan, they can see the problem, but dumb they are not and if they see , for example, Afghan military just not pulling their weight, not putting out the effort or the leadership is corrupt and no support by the people, they pick up on that very quickly.
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Post by verrip1 on Feb 21, 2011 2:22:12 GMT -5
Looks like libs just can't post enough ad hominem when faced with valid criticism of lib lawmaker tactics. It seems to be their only available retort. Kinda sad, really. Fair enough. We need to get serious about solving the problems in this country. Does the letter have any substance or is it just "empty emotional platitudes"? Aha! A quick switch to leading questions. Somehow you missed asking me to answer yes or no if I've stopped beating my wife. I expected better of you. Not sure why.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 7:57:33 GMT -5
Fair enough. We need to get serious about solving the problems in this country. Does the letter have any substance or is it just "empty emotional platitudes"? Aha! A quick switch to leading questions. Somehow you missed asking me to answer yes or no if I've stopped beating my wife. I expected better of you. Not sure why. Another response could be to show me where there is substance that I missed. Representative West has voiced his views in the past on what he thinks of the representatives that others have chosen to represent them. It got him elected. Continuing to insult them in letters to his constituents might, or might not, keep him in office. I do not see how it will help him in being one of four hundred and thirty five we need to work together to solve the problems that our country faces.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 21, 2011 8:35:54 GMT -5
maybe west "lost track" in all the excitement
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 8:40:03 GMT -5
maybe west "lost track" in all the excitement Cool thing with this board is you can show the youtube clips right on it.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 21, 2011 8:53:06 GMT -5
Ever notice how trashing and badmouthing the the other party is some high profile peoples claim to fame? Think about the highly esteemed ones that never really were known for contributing a thing but trash talk. Palin comes to mind.How did she become to be such a darling to the right when she advocated cap and trade,closing Gitmo,TARP,taxing all benefits as income,a share the wealth tax on companies,etc?
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 21, 2011 9:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 21, 2011 10:40:40 GMT -5
Palin comes to mind.How did she become to be such a darling to the right when she advocated cap and trade,closing Gitmo,TARP,taxing all benefits as income,a share the wealth tax on companies,etc?They couldn't understand her???
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 21, 2011 10:59:41 GMT -5
Palin comes to mind.How did she become to be such a darling to the right when she advocated cap and trade,closing Gitmo,TARP,taxing all benefits as income,a share the wealth tax on companies,etc?They couldn't understand her??? Sarah Palin's star has been diminished lately with some of her comments especially during the Arizona Tragedy and Obama's budget ......I doubt that many will take her seriously anymore or they are just Palin'd out.....IMHO I think if anyone takes the time to read what Sarah Palin has been saying lately and checked out her facts they will come away scratching their heads wondering about her and her credibility??
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 11:10:24 GMT -5
... ... I think if anyone takes the time to read what Sarah Palin has been saying lately and checked out her facts they will come away scratching their heads wondering about her and her credibility?? I will just take your word for it and save myself the pain of reading what she has been saying.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 21, 2011 11:59:05 GMT -5
Palin comes to mind.How did she become to be such a darling to the right when she advocated cap and trade,closing Gitmo,TARP,taxing all benefits as income,a share the wealth tax on companies,etc?They couldn't understand her??? Sarah Palin's star has been diminished lately with some of her comments especially during the Arizona Tragedy and Obama's budget ......I doubt that many will take her seriously anymore or they are just Palin'd out.....IMHO I think if anyone takes the time to read what Sarah Palin has been saying lately and checked out her facts they will come away scratching their heads wondering about her and her credibility?? Honestly I haven't been paying attention, though just did post a thread on a new 'tell all " book that is coming out by a former aid...if they print excerps I would read , but book, ..No. To me, she has used her notariarty to cash in big time as a speaker, celebraty , what ever...a talking head , of which some are very good in my opinion suich as O'Reilly, Zakaria, Charlie Rose, {last two my personal favorites } Beck as a entertainer, but as far as Palin measuring up to those, even Beck...she shows little, IMHO. However, more power to here in cashing in...the American way.[up, up and away it's SuperPalin Woman } ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 22, 2011 17:36:56 GMT -5
Krickett...got one for you you will love. Shows you I post even ones even if I have questions about the people involved...even it it shows them in a good light for many supporters, "a equal rights for all" poster I Yam, I Yam. Enjoy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " Rep. Allen West Confronts Islamic Activists Tuesday, 22 Feb 2011 10:09 AM By Henry J. Reske The Muslim faith has been responsible for atrocities throughout history so don’t try “to blow sunshine up my butt” about attacks on Americans, Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., told an Islamic activist who tried to confront him at a town hall meeting. West was responding to a challenge from Nezar Hamze, executive director of the South Florida chapter of the Council of American Islamic Relations. Hamze appeared at the town hall meeting at St. Mark’s Catholic School and, with a copy of the Koran in hand, demanded to know where in the Koran it says to carry out attacks against Americans. “Of course it doesn’t say attack America or attack Americans,” West quickly responded to the cheers of the audience. “The book was written around the eighth or ninth century, so America wasn’t even around. But … there is talk about killing infidels.” West then ticked off a series of dates that marked Muslim atrocities and added, “Major Hasan shouted Allahu Akbar, the people who flew those planes shouted Allahu Akbar, I’ve been on the battlefield my friend, don’t try to blow sunshine up my butt.” West’s further comments were then drowned out by the cheers and jeers of the supportive audience of about 400 in Boynton Beach ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Yeah...the represenatative is going to move up in elected position ooner then later in my humble opinion. No I don't think he slipped Hamze a few bucks to show up and confront him at the meeting..good idea , but think it was just a happening.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Feb 22, 2011 22:43:02 GMT -5
His military issue aside, it appears to me that Allen West is aiming to become a lightening rod. I mean, come on. You're a freshman congressman. How about learning how to be an effective representative for your constitutents before you start deliberately drawing national attention with headline grabbing attacks on the opposition party? Because all the non-freshman politicians have been doing such a great job? Or is it more because of the congressman's political party that you think he should keep his mouth shut?
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Post by henryclay on Feb 22, 2011 22:57:21 GMT -5
It amazes me that after all the hellabaloo that has been bantered around for years about people going to Washington and fast becoming just another taxpayer's rip-off artist within the established team of rip-off artists, when a new one seems willing to stay true to his campaign, the first shot out of the cannon is that he is not joining the "good old boy" team fast enough.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 23, 2011 0:49:03 GMT -5
It amazes me that after all the hellabaloo that has been bantered around for years about people going to Washington and fast becoming just another taxpayer's rip-off artist within the established team of rip-off artists, when a new one seems willing to stay true to his campaign, the first shot out of the cannon is that he is not joining the "good old boy" team fast enough. Henry count me out..he was out of my district..I did follow his campaigne and heard him speak personally..I would not have voted for him if I could..heI didn't his plauing to a certain part of his audience above and beyond, I reserve judgement and I think you are ready to follow him anywhere because of his rhetoric, ready to annoint him as the new savior....why not watch a bit..history has been filled with new saviors and they turn out to be false ones.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 23, 2011 0:49:44 GMT -5
His military issue aside, it appears to me that Allen West is aiming to become a lightening rod. I mean, come on. You're a freshman congressman. How about learning how to be an effective representative for your constitutents before you start deliberately drawing national attention with headline grabbing attacks on the opposition party? Because all the non-freshman politicians have been doing such a great job? Or is it more because of the congressman's political party that you think he should keep his mouth shut? Perhaps you can explain to me how his constituents benefit when, instead of offering up ideas and solutions, he simply grabs media attention by attacking the opposition. How does that benefit the folks in his district that he's supposed to be representing?
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Feb 23, 2011 11:36:48 GMT -5
Seems to me that CAIR initiated the confrontation.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2011 11:52:39 GMT -5
Seems to me that CAIR initiated the confrontation.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 23, 2011 11:58:22 GMT -5
It amazes me that after all the hellabaloo that has been bantered around for years about people going to Washington and fast becoming just another taxpayer's rip-off artist within the established team of rip-off artists, when a new one seems willing to stay true to his campaign, the first shot out of the cannon is that he is not joining the "good old boy" team fast enough. Henry he is not alone. As you probably know, we saw some republican and democrat freshmen not go along with their party leaders lately on the House Budget Bill. They are either being pressured by the Tea Party or are just Mavericks like Ron Paul and possibly Lt Col West....which is not a bad thing IMHO..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 12:05:03 GMT -5
Lots of people, West among them, are not bound by the rules of PC that keep them (us) from calling CAIR out for what it is.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 23, 2011 12:06:33 GMT -5
It amazes me that after all the hellabaloo that has been bantered around for years about people going to Washington and fast becoming just another taxpayer's rip-off artist within the established team of rip-off artists, when a new one seems willing to stay true to his campaign, the first shot out of the cannon is that he is not joining the "good old boy" team fast enough. Henry he is not alone. As you probably know, we saw some republican and democrat freshmen not go along with their party leaders lately on the House Budget Bill. They are either being pressured by the Tea Party or are just Mavericks like Ron Paul and possibly Lt Col West....which is not a bad thing IMHO.. Elected officials staying true to their campaign rhetoric is inherently good.
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