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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 19:54:53 GMT -5
..he calmly emptied the 9 mm into a container designed for that purpose, safely discharging the weapon , into the item that one would use when one to do so for testing a weapon.
Doesn't sound like a loose cannon to me. Stop making shit up and you can have the final word.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 20:33:52 GMT -5
uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh, now we're reduced to vindictive vulgarities. The final cogent, gasping refuge of a liberal.
Hey, bills. Didn't you write something a day or two ago about having been in the Navy once? And didn't you spice it up a little by reference to having been glad there was a cool head around when you thought one was needed? Let me ask you about that.
What I get from your little story, , , and there was so little of it and it was so short that one can only imagine what was really behind it, , , , , so bear with me a minute while I send my imagine through the keyboard.
What I get from your little story was that you were on a ship with a load of Marines and four or five days out, about half way across the ocean they put you up on the folksul with a grappling hook to look out for, and snag, the mail buoy, (you know , , , mail buoy with letters from home and loved ones), and when you missed it as the ship drew alongside, that allowed the buoy to get pulled under and shredded by the ships screws, mail included, all of which caused those Marines to unload on you, in which case you needed a cool head to save your sorry butt for screwing them out of their mail.
That's what I imagine from your reference to having been in the Navy. Is that about how it was?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 20:36:10 GMT -5
lol, close but not quite.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 20:44:38 GMT -5
Well, I knew it must have had to do with an unhappy encounter you had somewhere with the fighting end of the military. Otherwise how could you be so perennially down on them and always demonstrating how much you really DON'T know about what fighting men experience?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 21:00:35 GMT -5
Well, I knew it must have had to do with an unhappy encounter you had somewhere with the fighting end of the military. Otherwise how could you be so perennially down on them and always demonstrating how much you really DON'T know about what fighting men experience? You and dezi... have me convinced I don't have the expertise for personal comment on this. So: TIKRIT, Iraq (CNN) -- The commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division on Friday accepted a U.S. military investigator's recommendation and ordered administrative action against Lt. Col. Allen West, who was accused of using improper methods to force information out of an Iraqi detainee.
Following a military hearing, West was fined $5,000 over two months, according to West's civillian attorney, Neal Puckett.
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Pezytulska presented a document of West's typed statement following the August incident. She asked him to read his own written words to the court: "In my anger, I couldn't remember how many shots were fired." www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/index.html
West said he acted in anger and the proper military authority ruled his behavior not appropriate. Reality is.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 21:15:24 GMT -5
..he calmly emptied the 9 mm into a container designed for that purpose, safely discharging the weapon , into the item that one would use when one to do so for testing a weapon.
Doesn't sound like a loose cannon to me. Stop making shit up and you can have the final word. He emptied his hand gun into a container that is designed for that, 9mm is the caliber in todays military weapons of that kind, what is your problem, do I have to go get the link on the incident? That was the in the testimony..whats with the vulger by the way...told you I am finished just answering your post, or did I miss it, that was a josh by you? Getting late, might have missed it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 21:18:50 GMT -5
Well, I knew it must have had to do with an unhappy encounter you had somewhere with the fighting end of the military. Otherwise how could you be so perennially down on them and always demonstrating how much you really DON'T know about what fighting men experience? Now Henry..your forgetting what branch those corpsmen are who look out for your sorry ass's when you can't keep them down... "West said he acted in anger and the proper military authority ruled his behavior not appropriate. Reality is." I like my explanation better, he knew exactly what he was doing...oops, damn , you had me commenting again, will you PLEASE taske the last word so I can
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 21:20:51 GMT -5
Yeah, bills. You keep bringing in those quoites from "proper military authority" none of whom, like you, have have ever had to stand watch with a loaded weapon, alone on a rainy night in the dark.
Is that because you feel you have missed your calling and could have done, , , or maybe still could do , , their jobs even better than they? You've done about everything except offer them pointers, so why not go all the way? Their track record until now is n****rdly poor and they could probably use some new blood.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 21:21:35 GMT -5
..he calmly emptied the 9 mm into a container designed for that purpose, safely discharging the weapon , into the item that one would use when one to do so for testing a weapon.
Doesn't sound like a loose cannon to me. Stop making shit up and you can have the final word. He emptied his hand gun into a container that is designed for that, 9mm is the caliber in todays military weapons of that kind, what is your problem, do I have to go get the link on the incident?That was the in the testimony..whats with the vulger by the way...told you I am finished just answering your post, or did I miss it, that was a josh by you? Getting late, might have missed it. If you want to say that is truth you need to get a link because my reply immediately preceding yours tells exactly what the man said he didn't remember because of his emotional state, and that state wasn't "calm".
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 21:24:50 GMT -5
Yeah, bills. You keep bringing in those quoites from "proper military authority" none of whom, like you, have have ever had to stand watch with a loaded weapon, alone on a rainy night in the dark. ... Attack those serving our nation all you want.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 21:28:24 GMT -5
Yeah, bills. You keep bringing in those quoites from "proper military authority" none of whom, like you, have have ever had to stand watch with a loaded weapon, alone on a rainy night in the dark. ... Attack those serving our nation all you want. --------------------------------------------------------------------- West had explained to voters that he was trying to protect his men, but that he had immediately reported his actions to his commander and was relieved of command. “I just basically did something I thought was a matter of scaring the individual and threatened to shoot him. At first he continued to stonewall me and tell me he didn’t know anything so eventually we took him outside and I counted down and I fired my service Beretta 9mm over his head into a weapons clearing barrel,” West said -------------------------------------------------------------- I threw in the possibility of his screaming adjectives such as &^&% %$# &^&*%$ , and I am sure he was...to make his point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 21:30:37 GMT -5
If some loose cannon, say N. Korea or Iran-- decided to fire a nuke at us-- who would you guys want handling the red buttons?? I'd go for West and his type over Obama and his type. Just saying...........
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 21:32:20 GMT -5
West had explained to voters ... Pezytulska presented a document of West's typed statement following the August incident. She asked him to read his own written words to the court: "In my anger, I couldn't remember how many shots were fired." www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/index.html I know which I would pick as a more accurate statement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 21:33:12 GMT -5
Honestly krick?... wow... can't say the same...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 21:34:32 GMT -5
If some loose cannon, say N. Korea or Iran-- decided to fire a nuke at us-- who would you guys want handling the red buttons?? I'd go for West and his type over Obama and his type. Just saying........... And I would prefer to not have someone who became so angry in a stressful situation that he was not able later to recall his actions in detail. But that is a personal perference.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 21:36:09 GMT -5
"........Attack those serving our nation all you want. ...."
Once again, bills, you fall on your own image of things. I'll defend the people serving our nation any day, but I'll also tell it like I see it when political pressure is so thick you can feel the slime of the people who would make points at a fighting man's expense.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 20, 2011 21:36:51 GMT -5
Agree, bill. If such a scenario were to come to be, I'd not want a hothead at the buttons, that's for sure!
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 21:40:55 GMT -5
If some loose cannon, say N. Korea or Iran-- decided to fire a nuke at us-- who would you guys want handling the red buttons?? I'd go for West and his type over Obama and his type. Just saying........... First of all, Congressman West is a hell of a way away from the red button...as far as the scenario, I am sure proper response would be made..think cinder , when you think of the perpetrator.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 21:45:40 GMT -5
A HOTHEAD? Wrong. A HOTHEAD would have blown to bits the people that ambushed his men. I call what West did cool under pressure. Picture a nuke coming at us-- while Obama tried to figure out how to negotiate his way out of it. Sometimes force must be met with force. Playing nice only works if you are playing with reasonable people that value life. The oddest thing to me is that liberals would be the first to get their heads chopped off if they ever came for us, and you would defend to the death their right to chop your head off. Crazy stuff.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 21:46:30 GMT -5
"........Attack those serving our nation all you want. ...." Once again, bills, you fall on your own image of things. I'll defend the people serving our nation any day, but I'll also tell it like I see it when political pressure is so thick you can feel the slime of the people who would make points at a fighting man's expense. Actually here the pressure was from the General and I know he made four stars but there is that Ring Knocker Protective Society, and the general going along with the legal beaver Captain Magdaena Pezytulska recommendation , which he did not have to do , by the way this was a long dragged out event, causing stress on the Col and his familyn and great embaressment to the Army, civilians, media, veterans all got into it . Bills and I are just jawing over a word here, two actually , "loose cannon "
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 21:53:27 GMT -5
A HOTHEAD? Wrong. A HOTHEAD would have blown to bits the people that ambushed his men. I call what West did cool under pressure. Picture a nuke coming at us-- while Obama tried to figure out how to negotiate his way out of it. Sometimes force must be met with force. Playing nice only works if you are playing with reasonable people that value life. The oddest thing to me is that liberals would be the first to get their heads chopped off if they ever came for us, and you would defend to the death their right to chop your head off. Crazy stuff. Whats crazy about this is you have Obama coming into it, he wasn't the President when it went down, Bush was, some nuke coming at us from some place , one of who isn't supposed to have it yet, a couple of more years its suggested, the one accused, actually might not have been guilty in the attempted possible ambush, and how the hell did the liberals get into this. Krickett you know I am middle to the left..I am defending the man for his damn actions..hell I think I will just switch sides now and go to bills side , "Loose Cannon"? You got it. Actually I do agree with one part of the post of yours... "I call what West did cool under pressure. " yep...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 21:56:57 GMT -5
"In my anger, I couldn't remember how many shots were fired."
How is that not a hothead?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 21:57:20 GMT -5
... Picture a nuke coming at us-- while Obama tried to figure out how to negotiate his way out of it. Sometimes force must be met with force. .... Interesting imagery. A well thought out retaliation would be my preference.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 20, 2011 22:00:48 GMT -5
You may call it as you wish, krickitt, in all caps, if required. I, on the other hand, don't see it as you do. Someone who was so angry he had no idea how many shots were fired is not cool and calm, by any stretch of the imagination. By his own admission, he's angry ... mad ... PO'd!
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 20, 2011 22:02:01 GMT -5
Personally, if a "nuke" were "coming at us", I doubt very seriously President Obama, or anyone else, would be trying to negotiate their way out of it. That's a ludicrous statement.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 20, 2011 23:07:30 GMT -5
So now we are measuring West on his remembering how many times he fired his 9 millimeter? I recall being on an officer evaluation board for the local police some years ago. There had been a hostage situation the week before where the hostage and the hostage taker were both killed. It had Gone on for hours, with the hostage taker's gun duct taped to his hand and his hand duct taped to her head. 7 police officers had their guns drawn and ready while two negotiators took turns trying to defuse everything and calm the hostage taker down. There was no immediate threat against the police officers at all, and they were positioned behind doors, walls and a couple of trees. Nobody knows exactly what set if off, but the place erupted in gunfire and both the hostage and the hostage taker were killed. Everybody on the scene was immediately disarmed and told they could either go home or go see a counselor.
During the boards' evaluation the number of rounds fired was discussed. The officers all gave varying accounts of how many rounds they carried in their weapons on duty. A couple of the officers admitted emptying their weapons at the hostage taker. Most said they fired "a couple of rounds", and one said he had only fired once. The hostage taker was shot 28 times and the hostage was hit 6 times. The hostage taker's pistol had not been fired. Four of the weapons were empty. There were 53 shell casings picked up at the scene.
Hot heads? All seven? I guess so.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 20, 2011 23:50:48 GMT -5
So now we are measuring West on his remembering how many times he fired his 9 millimeter? ... I focused more on the reason that he himself stated for not remembering.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2011 23:55:00 GMT -5
“Government sets the conditions for job and economic growth, it does not create jobs. It sure can kill jobs, though. The American people are with people like Alan West. They aren't about to settle for band-aid solutions, and poltical games. They were aiming for real reform in November 2010, and if they find they didn't get it-- both parties can stand the &$^# by because reform is coming, if not with this Congress, then the next.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2011 23:59:49 GMT -5
Well, it would seem that we've completely strayed from discussing the substance of West's attack on the fiscal irresponsibility of Democrats and we are now discussing his character. Based on that, I can conclude the Democrats and liberals here have lost the argument.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 21, 2011 0:06:36 GMT -5
“Government sets the conditions for job and economic growth, it does not create jobs. It sure can kill jobs, though. The American people are with people like Alan West. They aren't about to settle for band-aid solutions, and poltical games. They were aiming for real reform in November 2010, and if they find they didn't get it-- both parties can stand the &$^# by because reform is coming, if not with this Congress, then the next. Change is coming. It will be interesting what it will be in the end. I don't think it will be close to what either traditional conservatives or liberals think it will be.
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