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Post by pappyjohn99 on Feb 18, 2011 21:24:56 GMT -5
I would love to attend the counter protest. Unfortunately, I have to work. At the end of my shift it will make 72 hours on the job for me this week. I did send e-mails to all my school board members informing them that I believe they should instruct their teachers to get back to work. 2 of 7 replied stating that they sent out a letter informing teachers that further call ins would require note from health care personal. I also sent an e-mail to the teachers union stating that I hope Governor Walker busts their union into a million pieces. They have not replied as of yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 21:31:08 GMT -5
Good for you, pappy!! exalt in one minute.. counting down...lol..... do-de-oh-de-do.......32 seconds........ 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Feb 18, 2011 21:46:11 GMT -5
lol. Thanks Krickitt. Back at ya.
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Post by formerexpat on Feb 18, 2011 21:48:09 GMT -5
Here I thought this was job abandonment. Looks like they all should get fired and the state should immediately have elections to fill the remaining spots. Problem solved. [/size]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 22:04:43 GMT -5
I agree. "...a gov't they no longer control.." that created this mess that got them pushed out of control? Dems are just no good when they run out of other people's money to spend, it seems. And what fun is it if you can't spend money and make people smile?? Might as well run away and hole up in a bar in a "safe" city.............. so they did. How embarrassing for Wisconsin......... hey, you Wisconsin non-Democrats out there, lots of people are real proud of you guys for starting a push to get all these types out of your state gov't so you can start to fix things. (I'm in AZ, and our Gov is really struggling to keep us above water-- now we have a Senate seat coming open, Jon Kyl. I can't imagine to what lengths Dems will go to try to fill that seat considering our border issues, etc. I heard they are talking about Gabby Giffords for it!! Geez-- how far will they go???) Go, Wisconsin!!
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Post by zipity on Feb 18, 2011 22:22:09 GMT -5
I understand how cutting pay and asking teachers to pay more toward health care will help budget issues but I don't see how stripping collective bargaining will balance the budget. If in fact it does help balance the budget why aren't they stripping those rights from all public workers? Sounds like someone in Wisconsin has dropped the ball during contract negotiations so now the pubs are fixing the problem by refusing to negotiate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 23:33:03 GMT -5
Someone did. His name was Gov. Doyle and he had 4 yrs to stop this trainwreck.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 19, 2011 14:48:33 GMT -5
www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/116470423.htmlMy DS has been brainwashed by his teachers that "they don't make that much". The key is Salary+Benefits. Then as we have discussed before, keep in mind that they only work from Sept to Mid June. So they work about 42 weeks a year. He said the salary for our district was posted on-line too, I want to pin him down later and see if he knows where the link is. I was in it several years ago and I would say that at that time the average grade school teacher probably was paid about $70,000 Salary and many were making $100,000 and benes were not included. According to the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction's Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data web site, the average Wisconsin school district teacher's salary (in 2010) is $49,093.42. Average school district teacher's fringe benefits are $25,750.12 for an average total school district teacher's compensation package of 74,843.55. dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/newasr.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 16:22:23 GMT -5
Interesting from that information is that the average teaching experience is also over 15 and a half years.
So... the 49K, 74K total compensation should be considered for a person with 15 years experience. One should also consider that most people with 15 years teaching experience have at least a masters degree.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 19, 2011 16:25:50 GMT -5
Another way one can look at it..think Filubuster...what is the difference.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 19, 2011 16:29:07 GMT -5
Its a shut down of both the legislature and a number of school districts - eventually the citizens of WI will force the issue
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 19, 2011 16:47:07 GMT -5
Interesting from that information is that the average teaching experience is also over 15 and a half years. So... the 49K, 74K total compensation should be considered for a person with 15 years experience. One should also consider that most people with 15 years teaching experience have at least a masters degree. That sounds much more like the demographic I'm familiar with. When I posted the average for CA I was a bit stunned, seeing as how it was not much less than what my mother made at 40 years experience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 21:12:04 GMT -5
What is really ironic to me as while I did vote for Walker I voted for one of the runaways too. He was on the local school board and he was one of the few that didn't bow down to unions at every turn. Shows what happens when you get to the capital.
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Post by formerexpat on Feb 19, 2011 23:08:36 GMT -5
And yet, that compensation is nearly double the median in the country - for those that work ALL year long and 8 hours a day instead of 9 months and 6 hours.
All from an industry as a whole that has failed our children the past 30 years.
No wonder teachers don't want to be paid for results. [/size]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 23:17:12 GMT -5
Please show me where that compensation is double the median for the country. The median statistics for the country are for SALARY, and not for total compensation, so you are talking the 49K figure... and yes, that is around the median salary, and you will remember it is for a professional with a masters degree, 15 years into their career...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 19, 2011 23:51:39 GMT -5
And yet, that compensation is nearly double the median in the country - for those that work ALL year long and 8 hours a day instead of 9 months and 6 hours. All from an industry as a whole that has failed our children the past 30 years. No wonder teachers don't want to be paid for results. [/size][/quote] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And yet, that compensation is nearly double the median in the country - for those that work ALL year long and 8 hours a day instead of 9 months and 6 hours." -------------------------------------------------------------- I question your hours , six hours , how you come up with them? There are meetings after school, there are meetings with parents, phone calls to parents, phone calls from parents to teachers, homework corrections, , lesson plans, the paper work for the town , the federal, the State and then the out of pocket expenses teachers spend on supplies , they do, I know they don't HAVE to but they do. My grand kids in Ct are now getting out June 27th..and counting, snows some more...so it's a bit closer to 10 months then 9..I know Christmas Vacations, spring vacations..., all summer to work too, if they can get work and so many continue their education constantly, I had a cousin over 1000 hours extra courses in NY State. She was compensated well too but she worked her butt off as a guidance councilor in a High School, she earned every $ . What your not taking into consideration, to be a teacher, you need a degree, and then for most a advanced degree and then on top of that they have to mind our brats for how many hours a day, every day. Sure they are lovely kids, so much fun, all together , every day, and day and day..and when they do poorly, well , naturally, it's the teachers fault, never the kids..or the parents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 0:16:46 GMT -5
lol... i completely missed the 6 hour bit... lol...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 2:59:26 GMT -5
Maybe some of you should tune in to FOX tomorrow to catch the large numbers of non-union workers coming in to protest the protest, (AKA support the Gov.) from all over Wisconsin. I hear they are working people-- finally got a couple of days off work so they can afford to put their 2 cents in. Seems the only ones that think Wisconsin is doing just peachy are the ones that ditched work this week and stormed the state buildings. I'll be interested to hear what some of the rest of Wisconsin has to say. I wonder if Obama will tell the protesters from the schools to defy the injunction from the school district ordering teachers back to work?? The teachers..they are not "I hear they are working people" ??
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Post by zipity on Feb 20, 2011 18:43:39 GMT -5
The problem with the discussion here is that it has nothing to do with what is going on in WI. The teacher's compensation isn't the issue, they have said that they would be willing to take cuts. The issue is whether or not they should be forced to give up collective bargaining. Taking away collective bargaining in and of itself won't balance the state's budget. Taking a hard stance with the union an negotiating away some of the more frivolous benefits like accumulated sick time and retirement benefits will balance the state's budget. Its a give and take game which the republicans are looking to short circuit.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 20, 2011 20:11:16 GMT -5
The problem with the discussion here is that it has nothing to do with what is going on in WI. The teacher's compensation isn't the issue, they have said that they would be willing to take cuts. The issue is whether or not they should be forced to give up collective bargaining. Taking away collective bargaining in and of itself won't balance the state's budget. Taking a hard stance with the union an negotiating away some of the more frivolous benefits like accumulated sick time and retirement benefits will balance the state's budget. Its a give and take game which the republicans are looking to short circuit. yep...
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Post by b2r on Feb 25, 2011 10:10:02 GMT -5
Wis. Assembly passes bill taking away union rights MADISON, Wis. (AP) - Republicans in the Wisconsin Assembly took the first significant action on their plan to strip collective bargaining rights from most public workers, abruptly passing the measure early Friday morning before sleep-deprived Democrats realized what was happening. The vote ended three straight days of punishing debate in the Assembly. But the political standoff over the bill - and the monumental protests at the state Capitol against it - appear far from over. The Assembly's vote sent the bill on to the Senate, but minority Democrats in that house have fled to Illinois to prevent a vote. No one knows when they will return from hiding. Republicans who control the chamber sent state troopers out looking for them at their homes on Thursday, but they turned up nothing. apnews.myway.com/article/20110225/D9LJQ7700.html
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