Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 18, 2011 15:52:58 GMT -5
www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20110215/US.Wisconsin.Budget.Unions/ MADISON, Wis. — Democrats on the run in Wisconsin avoided state troopers Friday and threatened to stay in hiding for weeks, potentially paralyzing a state government they no longer control. The party's stand against balancing the state's budget by cutting the pay, benefits and collective bargaining rights of public workers is the boldest action yet by Democrats to push back against last fall's GOP wave. But the dramatic strategy that's clogged the Capitol with thousands of protesters clashes with one essential truth: Republicans told everyone unions would be a target, and the GOP has more than enough votes to pass its plans once the Legislature can convene. The 14 Senate Democrats left the state Thursday, delaying action in that chamber on a sweeping anti-union bill. Sen. Jon Erpenbach, who was among those who fled, said Friday that the group was prepared to be away for weeks, although he would like the standoff to end as soon as possible. "That really, truly is up to the governor," he told The Associated Press in an interview Friday at a downtown Chicago hotel. "It's his responsibility to bring the state together. The state is not unified. It is totally torn part."
Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 18, 2011 15:55:25 GMT -5
The entire democratic caucus has abandoned their posts, and plan to do so for three weeks. I wonder if there is some provision in the state's constitution that covers this, such as not showing up for legislative sessions for some period of time, results in expulsion from one's seat.
WOW, just WOW. I wonder if the schools will also be closed for weeks, with teachers and students protesting (with Obama's approval, of course). I agree-- what a bunch of whiners and wimps. I wonder how long until all the millions in Wisconsin come out to counter-protest these wimps-- on their days off from WORKING to pay their bills and feed their kids??? This is ridiculous. Has the entire world gone Cairo? I was watching FOX this morning and all I saw was protests EVERYWHERE. Are these idiots still going to get PAID??
And when do you suppose we will hear the end of it with Democrats acting this way?
The main stream media will see to it that this dies. It all depends on how the media reports it.
Check out #37
At the end of his book, If You Meet Buddha on the Road, Kill Him!, Sheldon Kopp offers ‘A Partial Register of the 927 (or was it 928?) Eternal Truths’, 43 items in total. This list exists elsewhere on the World Wide Web, but still worth reproducing here:
1.This is it! 2.There are no hidden meanings. 3.You can’t get there from here and besides there’s no place else to go. 4.We are all already dying and we will be dead for a long time. 5.Nothing lasts. 6.There is no way of getting all you want. 7.You can’t have anything unless you let go of it. 8.You only get to keep what you give away. 9.There is no particular reason why you lost out on some things. 10.The world is not necessarily just. Being good often does not pay off and there is no compensation for misfortune. 11.You have a responsibility to do your best nonetheless. 12.It is a random universe to which we bring meaning. 13.You don’t really control anything. 14.You can’t make anyone love you. 15.No one is any stronger or any weaker than anyone else. 16.Everyone is, in his own way, vulnerable. 17.There are no great men. 18.If you have a hero look again: you have diminished yourself in some way. 19.Everyone lies, cheats, pretends (yes, you too, and most certainly I myself). 20.All evil is potential vitality in need of transformation. 21.All of you is worth something if you will only own it. 22.Progress is an illusion. 23.It can be displaced but never eradicated, as solutions breed new problems. 24.Yet it to necessary to keep on struggling toward solution. 25.Childhood is a nightmare. 26.But it is so very hard to be an on-your-own, take-care-of-yourself-cause-there-is-no-one-else-to-do-it-for-you grown-up. 27.Each of us is ultimately alone. 28.The most important things, each man must do for himself. 29.Love is not enough but it sure helps. 30.We have only ourselves, and one another. That may not be much, but that’s all there is. 31.How strange that so often it all seems worth it. 32.We must live within the ambiguity of partial freedom, partial power, and partial knowledge. 33.All important decisions must be made on the basis of insufficient data. 34.Yet we are responsible for everything we do. 35.No excuses will be accepted. 36.You can run, but you can’t hide. 37.It is most important to run out of scapegoats. 38.We must learn the power of living with our helplessness. 39.The only victory lies in surrender to oneself. 40.All significant battles are fought within oneself. 41.You are free to do whatever you like. You need only face the consequences. 42.What at do you know … for sure … anyway? 43.Learn to forgive yourself, again and again and again and again…
I'm psychic... just heard on FOX that a huge SUPPORT rally for the Governor will be held this weekend. You know-- the people that have been working all week and could not walk off the job to protest the Governor?? Think Obama will commend them for staying productive all week until they could get legitimate time off for their rally??
The link is not copying right-- here is what it says, and there are videos, too. Average MPS Teacher Compensation Tops $100k/year [Milwaukee, Wisconsin] MacIver News Service – For the first time in history, the average annual compensation for a teacher in the Milwaukee Public School system will exceed $100,000.
That staggering figure was revealed last night at a meeting of the MPS School Board.
The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011.
MacIver’s Bill Osmulski has more in this video report.
The head of the Wisconsin State Employees union says they will concede on the pay issues if they can retain their collective bargaining rights. Personally I think the State should follow this thru to the end.
Krickett, thanks for the link on MPS Pay. We live in Milwaukee County in an outlying suburb. The suburban schools are open. If the schools fire suburban teachers there will be about 300 applicants for every job. I think MPS may have problems if they fire 40% of their teachers though. I am pretty sure MPS has a residency requirement. If suburban schools are looking for employees though, like my district, many teachers in other districts will apply. I think my district is 4th or 5th highest paid in the region.
I played Kricketts like for my DD and her friend. It did not work the first time I clicked on it, but it worked the second time.
My DS has been brainwashed by his teachers that "they don't make that much". The key is Salary+Benefits. Then as we have discussed before, keep in mind that they only work from Sept to Mid June. So they work about 42 weeks a year. He said the salary for our district was posted on-line too, I want to pin him down later and see if he knows where the link is. I was in it several years ago and I would say that at that time the average grade school teacher probably was paid about $70,000 Salary and many were making $100,000 and benes were not included.
MPS announced yesterday that they would not close today. My in-laws took my niece to school this am and found out school was closed. The County Park System announced many attractions were open for $1.00 (indoor pools, ice skating, domes) county.milwaukee.gov/ParksandPublicInfras7720.htm
Boys and Girls club set up safe sites for kids to go to for free or nominal fee...I wasn't paying close attention b/c my kids had school and I wouldn't utilize their services anyways.
As krickett mentioned I was left wondering this AM about a taxpayer counter protest. I got my escrow statement yesterday for 1 loan we have on 2 properties. The tax escrow is going up about $200 already and does not account for balancing any budgets...despite the fact that I do not own any property that has gone up in value. One building we own we had listed and got an offer for less than we paid in about 2000 (about 2 years ago) recently we got an unsolicited offer on the same building for about 1/2 of what we paid for it. Using the income approach, it is worth much more for us to hold it than sell it so we just said Not interested...but then we have the assessors trying to increase the assessments.
Anyways I was thinking if the teachers want a day off maybe taxpayers should volunteer to teach for a few days. I have a BS and DH has a BS+about 1/2 his credits in a MS in Teaching. We could cover classes for AWOL teachers. My employer is Staunchly Republican and would probably be very supportive of this - in fact I think the family members would do the same in their kids schools.
WI has Minimum number of school days laws - So if they cancel school days they pretty much have to be made up. It is going to be expensive and not cost effective. The democrats are really going to magnify this problem. It is just like flushing $$ down the toilet or the sewer or whatever. Unless they decide to modify the law?
I had asked yesterday if we could recall a few democrats and put in someone else. DH is a hugely loyal Democrat but he agrees with the Republicans on this. I am independent. My guess is only Union Members are supportive of the Unions, and I know I have heard a few teachers say they would love to see the Unions not be able to deduct union dues from their pay as they don't feel well represented by the Union.
PS, they interviewed one of the Senators in Rockford Ill yesterday. The Senators were supposedly holed up in the Clock Tower Hotel in Rockford. The claimed no money was coming from Campaign funds or from Union Supporters to pay for Meals or Lodging. Really? I don't believe them at all. DH mentioned that the Clock Tower is a nice place too so it is costing a good amount of$$.
Thx for the inside look, bean. Always interesting to hear from people that live where things are happening. I bet LOTS of people in Wisconsin would love to have those salaries and benefits-- even WITH the increase in contributions.
Post by hello fromWarsaw on Feb 18, 2011 19:18:01 GMT -5
So the new Gov. gives tax cuts to corps worth 140 million dollars, blowing a DEM SURPLUS, then tries to destroy collective bargaining with a put up crisis. This is ANOTHER Fox/Pub hoax. Lying pubs and silly dupes. The teachers WANT to negotiate a solution, but not give up their rights.. The gov. refuses to talk- about ramming through! Dems, stay away until he'll talk. Pubs are an lying obscenity, Fox big lie propaganda, and a bunch of sorely misled... PFFFT!
Warsaw's contention is B.S. The local paper Rates this as False. The business tax savings he is talking about is in the next budget cycle and has nothing to do with the current budget cycle. The budget deficit is possibly as high as $300+ million.
That's right because we have no budget deficit in Wis. We have no unemployeed in Wis. We have no one losing their home to foreclosure. Business is hopping and and our property and State taxes just keep going down ..... and what community in Wis. is it that you come from?
Maybe some of you should tune in to FOX tomorrow to catch the large numbers of non-union workers coming in to protest the protest, (AKA support the Gov.) from all over Wisconsin. I hear they are working people-- finally got a couple of days off work so they can afford to put their 2 cents in. Seems the only ones that think Wisconsin is doing just peachy are the ones that ditched work this week and stormed the state buildings. I'll be interested to hear what some of the rest of Wisconsin has to say. I wonder if Obama will tell the protesters from the schools to defy the injunction from the school district ordering teachers back to work??