Super storm Sandy, one year later

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Nov 1, 2013 10:16:47 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Oct 31, 2013 17:37:12 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

And I think you're confused about the meaning of "not ready for prime time", "keep your plan", "keep your doctor", and "trainwreck".  I am sad to say that over the last 30 days you have moved closer to 0 and farther from 100 on the credibility scale... 

NOPE!



Basically I have no interest in further arguing over the ACA with you on this or any other thread at this time.  So you can stop trying to call me out on it.  You have your opinions & I have mine.  I really don't care if you consider me credible, it has not been my goal in life to have internet strangers find me to be credible in what I post.  Maybe we can pick up the conversation in a few months or a year or so.  You know, when the actual impacts of the law are more fully known.  We can discuss what really has changed vs what the two sides think will happen.  All we seem to have now is a bunch of anecdotal stories & fear-mongering. 

I'm not "trying" anything.  I did call you out.  So, you can acknowledge it- and admit you were wrong- or not.  That, I have no control over.  However, when you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, you can count on me to revisit who knows what about what. 

[Opti]

"I think when a Republican is in office, it's all a federal issue. When a democrat is in office, it's probably a state/local issue."

Interesting bias.


Since there are republicans and democrats always in office I'll guess you were too lazy
to explicitly state what office you were referring to. I don't look at things with partisan
glasses and sometimes it takes me awhile to get the bigger picture. I am thankful to
the TV series Treme which I borrowed from the library to give me a better idea of what
the Katrina aftermath really was like. There's enough blame and mistakes to go around.
They weren't just committed by one politician or one citizen. The actual real truth is
far more complex than that.

What I remember after the first 10 days after Katrina happened was complaints about
FEMA were far more dominant than complaints against anyone else including W. Any political leader can only do so much by themselves. After that it is those that have been put in charge dealing with a host of different people and corporations. The latter have their own agendas as well. Many issues, many questions, complex and inter-twined answers IMO.

[Angel!]

Nov 1, 2013 10:26:48 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Nov 1, 2013 10:16:47 GMT -5 Angel! said:

NOPE!



Basically I have no interest in further arguing over the ACA with you on this or any other thread at this time.  So you can stop trying to call me out on it.  You have your opinions & I have mine.  I really don't care if you consider me credible, it has not been my goal in life to have internet strangers find me to be credible in what I post.  Maybe we can pick up the conversation in a few months or a year or so.  You know, when the actual impacts of the law are more fully known.  We can discuss what really has changed vs what the two sides think will happen.  All we seem to have now is a bunch of anecdotal stories & fear-mongering. 

I'm not "trying" anything.  I did call you out.  So, you can acknowledge it- and admit you were wrong- or not.  That, I have no control over.  However, when you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, you can count on me to revisit who knows what about what. 

I probably should have said trying to bait me.  I have seen how many times you have mentioned my name in your other thread looking for a response. Not going to work because I have no interest in continuing the conversation with someone who replies simply "NOPE" rather than providing an intelligent response and then tells me to stop posting on his thread.

If you want to believe this somehow makes you right, go ahead. I actually just don't want to continue to waste my time with someone that has no interest in actual facts & only spews half-truths & repeats information from fear-mongering articles.

[Deleted]

Oct 30, 2013 7:28:29 GMT -5 fairlycrazy23 said:

One year later and I still don't know why it is/was called a super storm..

It wasn't. It was your general, run of the mill hurricane. It just struck a densely populated, low lying area. Now they are getting started rebuilding in the same spot. As Gumps mom used to say, stupid is as stupid does.

[Opti]

"It was your general, run of the mill hurricane."


BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Incorrect. It was no longer hurricane strength I believe
when it made landfall. However, unlike storms that have come up the coast in the
twenty plus years I've lived here, it was boxed on both sides by strong pressure systems.
One system wouldn't let it go out to sea(the ocean) and the other tracking through the middle of the country pushed it on its west-most side helping pin the track over land.

Most (East Coast) hurricanes make landfall and hug the coast eventually petering out or going out
to sea and falling below hurricane strength. This touched down approximately in Tom's
River NJ and there were two initial expected tracks. One up inland hooking through Pennsylvania dying eventually in Maine, the other hooking Pennsy and eventually dying in
Lake Michigan near Chicago or possibly in Ohio if it didn't hook quite that far.


This was an unusual storm in my experience of several hurricanes. Rarely is there
impact worth noting 20 miles inland and certainly not the kind that brings power lines
and trees down. The gusts were lower than hurricane force. However where I was
we had sustained winds of over 50mph possibly 60 mph for a very long time. Maybe 30 hours give or take? I lived fairly near the shore for my first hurricane and was grateful nothing higher than 60mph winds came near me. Exposure to those winds was much much shorter too. There's a great documentary on it I borrowed from the library. You might
want to educate yourself on it as some are theorizing storms like Sandy will become
more common in the near future.

"stupid is as stupid does. "

Yeah, about that...

[Deleted]

Nov 5, 2013 17:44:15 GMT -5 Opti said:

"It was your general, run of the mill hurricane."


BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Incorrect. It was no longer hurricane strength I believe
when it made landfall. However, unlike storms that have come up the coast in the
twenty plus years I've lived here, it was boxed on both sides by strong pressure systems.
One system wouldn't let it go out to sea(the ocean) and the other tracking through the middle of the country pushed it on its west-most side helping pin the track over land.

Most (East Coast) hurricanes make landfall and hug the coast eventually petering out or going out
to sea and falling below hurricane strength. This touched down approximately in Tom's
River NJ and there were two initial expected tracks. One up inland hooking through Pennsylvania dying eventually in Maine, the other hooking Pennsy and eventually dying in
Lake Michigan near Chicago or possibly in Ohio if it didn't hook quite that far.


This was an unusual storm in my experience of several hurricanes. Rarely is there
impact worth noting 20 miles inland and certainly not the kind that brings power lines
and trees down. The gusts were lower than hurricane force. However where I was
we had sustained winds of over 50mph possibly 60 mph for a very long time. Maybe 30 hours give or take? I lived fairly near the shore for my first hurricane and was grateful nothing higher than 60mph winds came near me. Exposure to those winds was much much shorter too. There's a great documentary on it I borrowed from the library. You might
want to educate yourself on it as some are theorizing storms like Sandy will become
more common in the near future.

"stupid is as stupid does. "

Yeah, about that...

It was your general run of the mill hurricane. Building in low lying areas along the east coast where hurricanes can strike is stupid. Rebuilding there is stupid also. How the hurricane degenerated between other weather systems is just weather. Attaching media hyperbole to it means nothing, nor another theory how more will happen (of course it will happen again). However, you taking my "stupid is as stupid does" out of context with the rest of my post did add humor to my day. What was that about education again?

[Value Buy]

jma23,
you have to remember that east coasters have always thought of themselves as so much smarter than Hicksville U.S.A. across the south, and all the retirees down there.
Physical weather laws do not apply to them. 
You have to go further north, to say, north of Boston or, Maine, to find people who appreciate and prepare for mother nature and do not whine about what happens......

[Tennesseer]

Nov 8, 2013 15:06:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

jma23,
you have to remember that east coasters have always thought of themselves as so much smarter than Hicksville U.S.A. across the south, and all the retirees down there.
Physical weather laws do not apply to them. 
You have to go further north, to say, north of Boston or, Maine, to find people who appreciate and prepare for mother nature and do not whine about what happens......

AKA (correctly) "east coasters" (to all those who don't live in Hicksville U.S.A.).

[Deleted]

Nov 9, 2013 12:47:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 8, 2013 15:06:07 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

jma23,
you have to remember that east coasters have always thought of themselves as so much smarter than Hicksville U.S.A. across the south, and all the retirees down there.
Physical weather laws do not apply to them. 
You have to go further north, to say, north of Boston or, Maine, to find people who appreciate and prepare for mother nature and do not whine about what happens......

AKA (correctly) "east coasters" (to all those who don't live in Hicksville U.S.A.).

Actually, residents of the region north of Boston and in Maine are usually referred to as "downeasters". 

[Tennesseer]

Nov 9, 2013 19:07:02 GMT -5 @patiencetried said:

Nov 9, 2013 12:47:38 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

AKA (correctly) "east coasters" (to all those who don't live in Hicksville U.S.A.).

Actually, residents of the region north of Boston and in Maine are usually referred to as "downeasters". 

No.  In the strictest sense of the word downeasters, only a section of Maine are the folks called downeasterners.  In between north of Boston and Maine along the Atlantic coast is the state and coast of New Hampshire.  I lived in New Hampshire.  We were not called downeasterners.  We were eastcoasters.

Massachusetts residents who live north of Boston and up to the New Hampshire along the coast are said to live on the North Shore.  Not downeast.

Folks who live in the states from Maine to Florida, states that border the Atlantic Ocean, live on the east coast.

Down East

[Opti]

"It was your general run of the mill hurricane. Building in low lying areas along the east coast where hurricanes can strike is stupid. Rebuilding there is stupid also."

Princeton, NJ IMHO is not on the shore and took substantial damage from Irene
and Sandy. Most of the damage in the area Sandy covered was not from flooding
but from downed trees that took out powerlines, parts of homes, and some people.
The Wiki entry doesn't even address much of the damage to NJ from the winds and downed trees, but it basically encompassed the entire state. As I listened to the radio
and watched weather.com it was disheartnening to know there was no place close by
that was guaranteed to be spared, therefore no known town or location in NJ expected to
keep power during and after the storm.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy

Hurricane Sandy (unofficially known as "Superstorm Sandy") was the deadliest and most destructive hurricane of the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season, as well as the second-costliest hurricane in United States history. Classified as the eighteenth named storm, tenth hurricane and second major hurricane of the year, Sandy was a Category 3 storm at its peak intensity when it made landfall in Cuba.[1] While it was a Category 2 storm off the coast of the Northeastern United States, the storm became the largest Atlantic hurricane on record (as measured by diameter, with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).[2][3] Estimates as of June 2013 assess damage to have been over $68 billion (2013 USD), a total surpassed only by Hurricane Katrina.[4] At least 286 people were killed along the path of the storm in seven countries.[5]

On October 27, Sandy briefly weakened to a tropical storm and then restrengthened to a Category 1 hurricane. Early on October 29, Sandy curved north-northwest and then[7] moved ashore near Brigantine, New Jersey, just to the northeast of Atlantic City, as a post-tropical cyclone with hurricane-force winds.[1][8]

In the United States, Hurricane Sandy affected 24 states, including the entire eastern seaboard from Florida to Maine and west across the Appalachian Mountains to Michigan and Wisconsin, with particularly severe damage in New Jersey and New York. Its storm surge hit New York City on October 29, flooding streets, tunnels and subway lines and cutting power in and around the city.[10][11] Damage in the United States amounted to $65 billion (2013 USD).[12]

West VirginiaSandy's rain became snow in the Appalachian mountains, leading to, unusually for a hurricane, blizzard conditions in some areas, especially West Virginia,[1] when a tongue of dense and heavy Arctic air pushed south through the region. This would normally cause a Nor'easter, prompting some to dub Sandy a "nor'eastercane" or "Frankenstorm."[263] There was 1–3 feet (30–91 cm) of snowfall in 28 of West Virginia's 55 counties.[1][264] The highest snowfall accumulation was 36 inches (91 cm) near Richwood.[1] Other significant totals include 32 inches (81 cm) in Snowshoe, 29 inches (74 cm) in Quinwood,[265] and 28 inches (71 cm) in Davis, Flat Top, and Huttonsville.[266] By the morning of October 31, there were still 36 roads closed due to downed trees, powerlines, and snow in the road.[265] Approximately 271,800 customers lost power during the storm.[202]

Damn those West Virginians, they should know better than to build in the path of a hurricane.

[tallguy]

I am sad to say that over the last 30 days you have moved closer to 0 and farther from 100 on the credibility scale... 

Well, that's gotta be true.  We all know that Paul is the expert at being at zero on the credibility scale.  He would know.

[Opti]

While the pictures of flooding in NYC and other places are apparently the only
things some people remember about Sandy, for me the big surprise was the winds and
their extent. The big news in most of Sandy's path was not flooding, but power outages and
downed trees plus the damage caused by them. I have never seen anything like it in my
entire time in NJ and hope not to ever again.

For those who might be interested I found a graphic of power outages on a HuffPo URL.
If you scroll down you can see it which includes those coastal states like Vermont and
West Virginia.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/hurricane-sandy-power-outage-map-infographic_n_2044411.html

Unfortunately I'm not finding the PSE&G slideshow I found hours ago. I did find
some post storm article where a worker claimed Scotch Plains and Fanwood NJ had
the worst power outage issues. (Not on the coast. Due to downed trees. Interestingly
the article states only one power station flooded during both Irene and Sandy. Over
20 different stations affected for each storm.)

[EVT1]

Just to say- my company was there- we sent 12 ambulances (and therefore 24 people) to do the hard work- that line of ambulances evacuating the hospitals on the news was us and others.  What you do not know is that we staffed firehouses and ran 911 calls to give those people a break. 

We did not do it for charity- we deployed for FEMA- and in fact worked for another 'private' company- AMR.  We are lucky this year- one phone call and I am gone for a month living out of a van.  We are there- we were the first company on deck during Katrina and have deployed to every threat since.

FEMA is on it now- I had to take classes on how it works with mass casualties, who runs the incident, and who is in charge of the assets.  Sandy went smooth- the evil government did a great job. 

[Deleted]

Nov 10, 2013 1:45:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

"It was your general run of the mill hurricane. Building in low lying areas along the east coast where hurricanes can strike is stupid. Rebuilding there is stupid also."

Princeton, NJ IMHO is not on the shore and took substantial damage from Irene
and Sandy. Most of the damage in the area Sandy covered was not from flooding
but from downed trees that took out powerlines, parts of homes, and some people.
The Wiki entry doesn't even address much of the damage to NJ from the winds and downed trees, but it basically encompassed the entire state. As I listened to the radio
and watched weather.com it was disheartnening to know there was no place close by
that was guaranteed to be spared, therefore no known town or location in NJ expected to
keep power during and after the storm.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy

Hurricane Sandy (unofficially known as "Superstorm Sandy") was the deadliest and most destructive hurricane of the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season, as well as the second-costliest hurricane in United States history. Classified as the eighteenth named storm, tenth hurricane and second major hurricane of the year, Sandy was a Category 3 storm at its peak intensity when it made landfall in Cuba.[1] While it was a Category 2 storm off the coast of the Northeastern United States, the storm became the largest Atlantic hurricane on record (as measured by diameter, with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).[2][3] Estimates as of June 2013 assess damage to have been over $68 billion (2013 USD), a total surpassed only by Hurricane Katrina.[4] At least 286 people were killed along the path of the storm in seven countries.[5]

On October 27, Sandy briefly weakened to a tropical storm and then restrengthened to a Category 1 hurricane. Early on October 29, Sandy curved north-northwest and then[7] moved ashore near Brigantine, New Jersey, just to the northeast of Atlantic City, as a post-tropical cyclone with hurricane-force winds.[1][8]

In the United States, Hurricane Sandy affected 24 states, including the entire eastern seaboard from Florida to Maine and west across the Appalachian Mountains to Michigan and Wisconsin, with particularly severe damage in New Jersey and New York. Its storm surge hit New York City on October 29, flooding streets, tunnels and subway lines and cutting power in and around the city.[10][11] Damage in the United States amounted to $65 billion (2013 USD).[12]

West VirginiaSandy's rain became snow in the Appalachian mountains, leading to, unusually for a hurricane, blizzard conditions in some areas, especially West Virginia,[1] when a tongue of dense and heavy Arctic air pushed south through the region. This would normally cause a Nor'easter, prompting some to dub Sandy a "nor'eastercane" or "Frankenstorm."[263] There was 1–3 feet (30–91 cm) of snowfall in 28 of West Virginia's 55 counties.[1][264] The highest snowfall accumulation was 36 inches (91 cm) near Richwood.[1] Other significant totals include 32 inches (81 cm) in Snowshoe, 29 inches (74 cm) in Quinwood,[265] and 28 inches (71 cm) in Davis, Flat Top, and Huttonsville.[266] By the morning of October 31, there were still 36 roads closed due to downed trees, powerlines, and snow in the road.[265] Approximately 271,800 customers lost power during the storm.[202]

Damn those West Virginians, they should know better than to build in the path of a hurricane.

So in summary, there was rain, snow(at higher elevations), and strong winds as the leftovers of hurricane sandy moved inland from the east coast. I wonder if the people in the strongly affected areas are rebuilding their infrastructure and homes along the same guidelines as was damaged by this storm. As population densities continue to increase along the coastlines, expect situations such as these to happen with increasing frequency. Not viewed as a tragedy by me, but more of a lack of foresight, natural selection type of thing. 

[Opti]

JMA, we see this differently perhaps because I've lived out here for almost
30 years and was surprised by both Irene and Sandy. I expected the coastal
damage, but did not expect widespread power outages which included lots
of traffic lights.

I don't think of say Princeton, NJ as coastal nor snow in October normal
even if those parts of W Va. might have been higher in elevation. But that's
me. Here I believe parts of the power grid were fixed fairly quickly and
in many places telephone poles were replaced by much thicker and taller
poles, which I'm not entirely sure was a great idea(the taller part). But
we'll see. Supposedly where it hit is a every 50 to 100 year type of thing
so hopefully I'll miss the next one. To me Sandy was a much bigger deal
than Irene, which at least prepped my expectations, but it did depend
where you lived.

[Deleted]

The taller poles may have been the utility taking this as an opportunity to beef up their grid (higher voltage, higher capacity).  Just a guess....

[Deleted]

Nov 19, 2013 10:22:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

JMA, we see this differently perhaps because I've lived out here for almost
30 years and was surprised by both Irene and Sandy. I expected the coastal
damage, but did not expect widespread power outages which included lots
of traffic lights.

I don't think of say Princeton, NJ as coastal nor snow in October normal
even if those parts of W Va. might have been higher in elevation. But that's
me. Here I believe parts of the power grid were fixed fairly quickly and
in many places telephone poles were replaced by much thicker and taller
poles, which I'm not entirely sure was a great idea(the taller part). But
we'll see. Supposedly where it hit is a every 50 to 100 year type of thing
so hopefully I'll miss the next one. To me Sandy was a much bigger deal
than Irene, which at least prepped my expectations, but it did depend
where you lived.

I considered the "coastline" as the area within reach of the large ocean formed storms as viewed by a weather satellite. I wasn't trying to be negative or dismissive of the suffering this storm caused.

[Opti]

I considered the "coastline" as the area within reach of the large ocean formed storms as viewed by a weather satellite.

From that definition all of Pennsylvania was coastline last fall.
I'm not sure what the traditional definition is, but I tend to think
of things within 3 miles or less of the coast. FWIW, I don't think
I had ever seen seagulls here in central jersey until Irene and Sandy hit.

It did seem like you were dismissing the storm damage as business as
usual. At least inland, it wasn't. I used to watch storms go up the coast
and after awhile you get a good idea where they might hit or spin off.
They had never come ashore in NJ though, just skirted us like Floyd,
Gloria, etc. Not very pleasant near the coast, but pretty benign where I've
spent most of my time in NJ.

[reader79]

Nov 19, 2013 9:50:37 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Nov 10, 2013 1:45:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

So in summary, there was rain, snow(at higher elevations), and strong winds as the leftovers of hurricane sandy moved inland from the east coast. I wonder if the people in the strongly affected areas are rebuilding their infrastructure and homes along the same guidelines as was damaged by this storm. As population densities continue to increase along the coastlines, expect situations such as these to happen with increasing frequency. Not viewed as a tragedy by me, but more of a lack of foresight, natural selection type of thing. 

Thank you for your concern. But my parents moved here 35+ years ago, and we never had water inside the house before Irene. I was halfway through renovating my apartment before Sandy hit, which destroyed everything including my car. But, I guess we're just supposed to pack up and move somewhere else. Hard to know where I could go and still keep my job, the storm went clear through the entire state after all.

And people in my community died during the storm, natural selection - really?

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2013 10:59:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

I considered the "coastline" as the area within reach of the large ocean formed storms as viewed by a weather satellite.

From that definition all of Pennsylvania was coastline last fall.
I'm not sure what the traditional definition is, but I tend to think
of things within 3 miles or less of the coast. FWIW, I don't think
I had ever seen seagulls here in central jersey until Irene and Sandy hit.

It did seem like you were dismissing the storm damage as business as
usual. At least inland, it wasn't. I used to watch storms go up the coast
and after awhile you get a good idea where they might hit or spin off.
They had never come ashore in NJ though, just skirted us like Floyd,
Gloria, etc. Not very pleasant near the coast, but pretty benign where I've
spent most of my time in NJ.

I leave the human equivalent out of weather discussions because structural design and placement, and population density have nothing to do with weather activity. As an aside, there is no such thing as a seagull. There are gulls, and they reside throughout the continental US. We have them here in north central Arkansas as permanent residents on the White river. and on the White river lake system.

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2013 12:28:41 GMT -5 reader79 said:

Nov 19, 2013 9:50:37 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

So in summary, there was rain, snow(at higher elevations), and strong winds as the leftovers of hurricane sandy moved inland from the east coast. I wonder if the people in the strongly affected areas are rebuilding their infrastructure and homes along the same guidelines as was damaged by this storm. As population densities continue to increase along the coastlines, expect situations such as these to happen with increasing frequency. Not viewed as a tragedy by me, but more of a lack of foresight, natural selection type of thing. 

Thank you for your concern. But my parents moved here 35+ years ago, and we never had water inside the house before Irene. I was halfway through renovating my apartment before Sandy hit, which destroyed everything including my car. But, I guess we're just supposed to pack up and move somewhere else. Hard to know where I could go and still keep my job, the storm went clear through the entire state after all.

And people in my community died during the storm, natural selection - really?

How long it's been since your parents moved there has nothing to do with weather activity. The same applies for my concern or lack of it. Death by natural occurrence is natural selection. Whether you leave or stay is a weather risk you assume by your own choice, as is the elevation and type of the structure you decide to live in. Right now, the chances of another Sandy following the same track and degeneration is the same as before the last one. My seemingly cold and dismissive attitude while stating these facts is the same as the reality of weather activity. Best to learn through a near miss at death than the actual thing.

[Opti]

Seagull is merely a noun used to describe any gull that happens to be near
the sea or ocean. I'm aware it isn't a breed of gull and I think the dictionary
makers are too.



Its just a little more descriptive and in common use versus my use of
"little guys" for any collection of chickadees, finches, etc.

[Opti]

reader79, sorry to hear about your experience. I don't think most
people are told about 50 or every 100 year type storms when they
move unless of course if one is expected soon. Sorry to hear about
the deaths too.

[Chocolate Lover]

Nov 21, 2013 10:59:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

I considered the "coastline" as the area within reach of the large ocean formed storms as viewed by a weather satellite.

From that definition all of Pennsylvania was coastline last fall.
I'm not sure what the traditional definition is, but I tend to think
of things within 3 miles or less of the coast. FWIW, I don't think
I had ever seen seagulls here in central jersey until Irene and Sandy hit.

It did seem like you were dismissing the storm damage as business as
usual. At least inland, it wasn't. I used to watch storms go up the coast
and after awhile you get a good idea where they might hit or spin off.
They had never come ashore in NJ though, just skirted us like Floyd,
Gloria, etc. Not very pleasant near the coast, but pretty benign where I've
spent most of my time in NJ.

For a large storm, that damage done is indeed business as usual. Ask anyone living on the Gulf Coast, in FL, in general anyone further south on the eastern shore of the US than you. It's not anymore dismissive to be unshocked than it is for the rest of the country to be amazed to find out that there is still damage unrepaired from Katrina. 

[reader79]

It is not 'seemingly' when you are actually being cold and dismissive. There are weather risks all around the country. I haven't heard anyone suggesting abandoning Missouri due to the amount of tornadoes that like to drop by. 

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2013 16:10:23 GMT -5 reader79 said:

It is not 'seemingly' when you are actually being cold and dismissive. There are weather risks all around the country. I haven't heard anyone suggesting abandoning Missouri due to the amount of tornadoes that like to drop by. 

Just like you haven't heard anyone talk about abandoning the east coast. We all accept the weather risks of where we live because we have no choice. We do have the choice of building or moving to a structure of better safety, along where it's located. Those who don't take into consideration the weather possibilities of their area are usually the ones who are hurt (or whine) the most. How many people do you know that bought or built their house for structural strength versus curb appeal, or beauty, or a nice layout with pretty landscaping, big airy windows. Well you know one now for sure, me. My steel framed and roofed, brick and concrete structure can with stand up to a f-3 tornado with no damage, and retain structural integrity to an f-5. The whole building is built like a safe room. The only giveaway from the outside is the small and few windows, 40 sq/ft for the whole house. When I see the general populace building to protect themselves, instead of erecting a more easily sellable decoration to live in, you might see some pity on my part. Until then, cold and dismissive it is (like the weather), if that's how you feel about the way I post.

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2013 14:20:53 GMT -5 Opti said:

Seagull is merely a noun used to describe any gull that happens to be near
the sea or ocean. I'm aware it isn't a breed of gull and I think the dictionary
makers are too.



Its just a little more descriptive and in common use versus my use of
"little guys" for any collection of chickadees, finches, etc.

I only mentioned it because I wondered how you knew they were seagulls instead of Jerseygulls? I do know what a Jersey cow looks like.

[mmhmm]

Oct 30, 2013 7:28:29 GMT -5 fairlycrazy23 said:

One year later and I still don't know why it is/was called a super storm..

Here's an article that explains, in layman's terms, why the National Weather Service changed the designation from hurricane to superstorm, fairlycrazy23:

WSFA

[Deleted]

Then why was the typhoon (hurricane) that hit the Phillipines called a supertyphoon?