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milee
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Post by milee on Oct 23, 2013 9:55:41 GMT -5
Oh, and to bring this whole thing around to YM full circle, this is another example of the pitfalls explained in "The E Myth Revisited" and often discussed by the downers like me on the message board. Amy is obviously a very talented baker. I'm picky and well-traveled and I can honestly say those desserts were some of the best I've eaten anywhere. Exceptional.
So all her life, people have eaten her food and swooned. They all tell her how she is the best cook ever and should open a restaurant. So she did and look what happened. She's an extreme case, but not far off what happens to many people. They don't understand that being a good cook, baker, mechanic, ________, is a very, very different skill than being a good businessperson. There is a huge, huge difference between being a master crafter/doer and being a good business manager. In fact, the two things rarely overlap. And you can be the best darn doer in the world, but if you don't have (or acquire, or pay for) some decent business skills, you're better off working for a business rather than opening your own.
And the whole thing was made infinitely worse because her husband is also not a businessperson. Plus, instead of having complementary skills, they both have the same weakness, which magnifies the issue. Lethal combination.
So here is a top baker (doer) who could produce pastries that would, in most settings, guarantee a cult following instead failing miserably because she doesn't understand that skill at doing is not the same as skill at business. Please, anyone who is considering opening their own business, learn from this example. Know yourself and make sure you're not just a good doer, but a good manager before taking the leap.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Oct 23, 2013 9:59:15 GMT -5
I thought she bought her desserts elsewhere and presented them as her own?
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milee
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Post by milee on Oct 23, 2013 10:00:48 GMT -5
I thought she bought her desserts elsewhere and presented them as her own? Don't know. She told the boys that she made them and they were beautiful but didn't look commercial, so I don't know. If she didn't make them, she has extremely good taste. And that's a skill, too.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 23, 2013 10:07:30 GMT -5
If someone suggested she just open a bakery would she listen?
Running a restaurant is hard work. My stepbrother jumped back in the business about a year ago. It's been very successful and plans are underway for location #2. He's had ten days off in that time.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Oct 23, 2013 10:08:14 GMT -5
I thought she bought her desserts elsewhere and presented them as her own? Don't know. She told the boys that she made them and they were beautiful but didn't look commercial, so I don't know. If she didn't make them, she has extremely good taste. And that's a skill, too. "Along with finding pre-bought desserts and frozen food, Ramsay was disgusted when he heard the Bouzaglos cursing out the customers and taking away their servers’ tips, prompting him to get up and walk away saying, “I can’t help people who can’t help themselves.” Yeah- part of the problem is that she was buying desserts and passing them off as homemade. but hell- good cake is good cake! ETA: I found Amy's awesome quote about it: “I AM NOT STUPID ALL OF YOU ARE. YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW GOOD FOOD. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO RESELL THINGS WALMART DOES NOT MAKE THEIR ELECTRONICS OR TOYS SO LAY OFF!!!!”
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milee
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Post by milee on Oct 23, 2013 10:17:32 GMT -5
If someone suggested she just open a bakery would she listen? At this point? Probably not. Both in KN and in person, both Sammy and Amy give off the strong impression of people who are blustering because they are actually extremely raw and tender underneath. Although they come across as aggressive jerks, I think that's really just their shell they put on because they are feeling very defensive. They think people have wrongly picked on them and their defensive mode is a strong offense. When you're that hurt, emotional and defensive, it's almost impossible to listen to constructive criticism or even helpful, gentle suggestions because you interpret them as an attack. Until they get to the point where they feel they're not under siege (I'm not saying they're under siege, I'm saying they feel like they're under siege), I doubt they'd be open to new information, no matter what the source or how well-intentioned it was.
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Post by swamp on Oct 23, 2013 10:44:06 GMT -5
What?! I thought any moron could run a business!!!! Or that's what other YM'ers have told me!!!
ETA: In all seriousness, i'm one of those morons who runs a business. In general, it sucks. Listen to milee, she knows what she's talking about.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Oct 23, 2013 12:26:56 GMT -5
I still can't get over that slide show of screen caps during the show side-by-side with the commercial versions of their baked items.
I thought it was a sure thing she didn't actually make any of that stuff?
Well, at least it was good and worth the $, however it came to be.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 23, 2013 13:55:25 GMT -5
Amy's awesome quote about it: “I AM NOT STUPID ALL OF YOU ARE. YOU JUST DO NOT KNOW GOOD FOOD. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO RESELL THINGS WALMART DOES NOT MAKE THEIR ELECTRONICS OR TOYS SO LAY OFF!!!!”
Sounds like she's related to TLoony.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 15:18:11 GMT -5
i am great at what i do.....
i help run a great business
but.....i dont have the risk taking gene that most successful business people have
i am the accountant who looks at numbers and decides where things are off, and how to fix the issues
i can look at a financial statement or p&l and tell you where there needs to be changes in minutes
i hire, fire, and train the staff
but without the owner with the vision, and their risk taking i am out of a job
so we all have our places.....some are meant to take the leap
some of us are meant to follow the leader....and support him/her in all aspects
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Post by mcsangel2 on Oct 25, 2013 21:07:20 GMT -5
I still can't get over that slide show of screen caps during the show side-by-side with the commercial versions of their baked items. I thought it was a sure thing she didn't actually make any of that stuff? Well, at least it was good and worth the $, however it came to be. I read the same thing, saw Amy's admission, and also saw posts (either on Yelp or FB) from people who DO cook, who say that from the pictures of the kitchen on KN, there is no way she made any of them. She doesn't have the necessary appliances/equipment.
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