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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 14:27:10 GMT -5
If you don't want your kid to take the VOLUNTARY course or read the book, then fine, don't sign them up and don't sign the permission slip. But don't tell me or my child that wants to read the book and take the course that they can't because you find it offensive. Worry about your own kid and let me worry about mine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:27:31 GMT -5
Yes, krickitt, I read the link. As I've said, a child will not read the material presented with the same mind-set you do. They don't think the way you do. They think as children. I see nothing particularly objectionable about that passage. I don't even consider it explicit. Depends on what age, but it would have been masturbation material for me.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:28:00 GMT -5
Did all of you read the same excerpt from water for elephants that I did?? Once again-- the link. www.nashuatelegraph.com/csp/cms/s....rElephants1.pdfI want to make sure we are talking about the same link, and hear everyone say they read this and think it is appropriate for a classroom. krickett, You are totally missing the point. The issue was that ONE parent decided it wasn't appropriate for ALL the students. To read it, the students had to have a permission slip signed by their parents. It isn't up to "everyone" here to decide whether it's appropriate. It should be up to the school, teachers and ALL the parents. Which it WAS until ONE parent objected. ETA Yes, I read the section in question. As an adult, I thought it was quite romantic. There was nothing purient about it. (jmo) I'd have no problem with a 15 y/o or older reading it. I'd probably not want a younger child to read it. But that's just one person's opinion. I don't have the right to tell another parent what THEIR child should be allowed to read.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 14:28:06 GMT -5
I'm more liberal than lots of people,... Back off, moderator. I have a right to my opinion. Did you bother to watch the video, or read up on this? If this is your opinion of what is free speech I am sorry for you. But-- I am a conservative. We don't normally act like assholes.[/ I wish you would make up your mind once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:28:08 GMT -5
If you don't want your kid to take the VOLUNTARY course or read the book, then fine, don't sign them up and don't sign the permission slip. But don't tell me or my child that wants to read the book and take the course that they can't because you find it offensive. Worry about your own kid and let me worry about mine. The school board has to worry about all of the kids.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 18, 2011 14:29:17 GMT -5
My browser has a sizing tool, as well, Tennesser. It's easy to set it to 125%, or higher, to make reading easier. I've got mine set to 125% to avoid the ads on the UK site. 125%...LOL...I am at 150% and so many times...go to 200%
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:29:39 GMT -5
The link in #108 is good. So-- mmhmm likes it for the classroom-- anyone else?
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 14:29:40 GMT -5
The school board has to worry about all of the kids
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and the book & course had been approved until ONE set of parents decided it shouldn't happen... why should their beliefs affect all the other kids who did get permission and did want to take the course? Why should 1 persons beliefs deny everyone else what they wanted to read?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:29:47 GMT -5
It does depend on the age, yes, Archie. Still, if you're old enough to understand what's being said and to be impacted by it in a sexual way, you're old enough to know the score and it's about time somebody taught you! If your parents aren't able to get their minds around the fact you're already a sexual being, they're not capable of doing that teaching with any level of success.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:30:18 GMT -5
The school board has to worry about all of the kids ********** and the book & course had been approved until ONE set of parents decided it shouldn't happen... why should their beliefs affect all the other kids who did get permission and did want to take the course? Why should 1 persons beliefs deny everyone else what they wanted to read? Their beliefs didn't change anything. The school board made the decision.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:31:14 GMT -5
The school board made the decision.
The school board CHANGED their decision based on the objection of religious fanatics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:31:18 GMT -5
It does depend on the age, yes, Archie. Still, if you're old enough to understand what's being said and to be impacted by it in a sexual way, you're old enough to know the score and it's about time somebody taught you! If your parents aren't able to get their minds around the fact you're already a sexual being, they're not capable of doing that teaching with any level of success. Parents are supposed to teach you about being a sexual being? Eww.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:31:39 GMT -5
The school board made the decision. The school board CHANGED their decision based on the objection of religious fanatics. Should the school board be fired?
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 14:31:44 GMT -5
The school board made the decision
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they changed their decision based on 1 set of parents complaints and tactics. Did you also read the whole controversy over 'nickled and dimed'? the school board caved rather than continue to deal with these parents. And that isn't right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:32:26 GMT -5
The school board made the decision ***************** they changed their decision based on 1 set of parents complaints and tactics. Did you also read the whole controversy over 'nickled and dimed'? the school board caved rather than continue to deal with these parents. And that isn't right. I didn't read anything about nickled and dimed. Should the school board be fired?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 14:32:55 GMT -5
Yes, krickitt, I read the link. As I've said, a child will not read the material presented with the same mind-set you do. They don't think the way you do. They think as children. I see nothing particularly objectionable about that passage. I don't even consider it explicit. Depends on what age, but it would have been masturbation material for me. Far better self-diddling material on the Internet. Pictures too.
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 14:33:30 GMT -5
The school board should ball up and tell them that if they don't want their child to read the book, then don't take the (again) VOLUNTARY course and should instead choose a course that is more along their wants.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:35:04 GMT -5
The disposition of the school board would be up to the parents involved, Archie. It's not up to me to decide they should be fired. It's up to the parents whose children were involved. If it had been my child, I'd do everything I could to either have the book reinstated, or have several new faces in the unemployment line.
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 14:35:15 GMT -5
I didn't read anything about nickled and dimed
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then you can't completely grasp what the school board has/is dealing with. They caved and IMO that's wrong. They should go back to their original decision and tell the "offended" parents to find one of the many other courses available for their child to take.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:35:59 GMT -5
Depends on what age, but it would have been masturbation material for me. Far better self-diddling material on the Internet. Pictures too. Agreed. I can't beleive I didn't have internet porn as a kid...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:36:47 GMT -5
I didn't read anything about nickled and dimed ********* then you can't completely grasp what the school board has/is dealing with. They caved and IMO that's wrong. They should go back to their original decision and tell the "offended" parents to find one of the many other courses available for their child to take. Obviously you don't think they are doing their job. Should they be fired?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:37:13 GMT -5
Neither did my son, Archie, but he kept some very interesting reading materials under his mattress ... undisturbed by me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:37:16 GMT -5
Maybe the school board read it and thought it was not appropriate for the kids. THEY made the decision. SO-- all of you want your kids reading that at school?? LOL-- then they can go to someone's house no parents are home at after school and "discuss it." I read all the classics when I was very young. AT HOME. My Mom bought them for me, because I was a mature kid and she was aware of my mental maturity level and responded appropriately for where I was in the growth process. As it should be. I wonder if the parental permission slips advised parents that the book contained explicit sexual scenes and should be read in it's entirity by parents before consenting. I bet not. And I would bet money the school board had not read it, either.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:39:57 GMT -5
Maybe the school board read it and thought it was not appropriate for the kids. THEY made the decision.
krickett, Did you actually read the story? The book was removed from the list AFTER the religious nuts objected. The school board made a decision, then changed the decision AFTER because ONE parent objected. Not a group of parents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:40:39 GMT -5
Maybe the school board read it and thought it was not appropriate for the kids. THEY made the decision.krickett, Did you actually read the story? The book was removed from the list AFTER the religious nuts objected. The school board made a decision, then changed the decision AFTER because ONE parent objected. Not a group of parents. Should the board be fired?
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 18, 2011 14:42:15 GMT -5
Maybe the school board read it and thought it was not appropriate for the kids. THEY made the decision.krickett, Did you actually read the story? The book was removed from the list AFTER the religious nuts objected. The school board made a decision, then changed the decision AFTER because ONE parent objected. Not a group of parents. Should the board be fired? you're turning into a broken record. she's already answered this question for you.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2011 14:42:24 GMT -5
The disposition of the school board would be up to the parents involved, .... It is up to the citizens who reside in the school district. We give parents too much control over schools. Schools exist to educate our youthful fellow citizens, not to educate their child.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:43:16 GMT -5
Tenn-- as you know I am fiscally conservative and not as much so in social issues. My votes go to what is more important to me in the long run, and that is fiscal responsibility over social issues. Just like you guys scream for Christians to keep their religion away from you, keep their laws out of your uterus and all the other crap-- I am saying more conservative people have every right to tell you to keep your smut away from their kids. Goose/Gander, and all of that. MILLIONS of middle of the road books available for school kids to read.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:43:28 GMT -5
Maybe the school board read it and thought it was not appropriate for the kids. THEY made the decision.krickett, Did you actually read the story? The book was removed from the list AFTER the religious nuts objected. The school board made a decision, then changed the decision AFTER because ONE parent objected. Not a group of parents. Should the board be fired? Archie, I responded to that several posts ago. Please do try to keep up!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 14:47:12 GMT -5
(krickitt)-"I read all the classics when I was very young. AT HOME. My Mom bought them for me, because I was a mature kid and she was aware of my mental maturity level and responded appropriately for where I was in the growth process. As it should be."
krickitt-what adult classics did you read as a kid growing up?
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