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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 13:53:33 GMT -5
That statement sounds very reasonable, Archie. Not every parent wants to stifle their child's intellect in the interests of keeping them from materials the parent actively dislikes. Too many parents tend to place their own thoughts into the minds of their children. The children aren't thinking that way, and won't until they're more mature.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 13:55:33 GMT -5
My browser has a sizing tool, as well, Tennesser. It's easy to set it to 125%, or higher, to make reading easier. I've got mine set to 125% to avoid the ads on the UK site.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 13:58:31 GMT -5
Did she meand she couldn't read the size, or because the content was explicit?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 13:58:48 GMT -5
I hope you're not playing dense mmhmm.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 14:01:27 GMT -5
Did she meand she couldn't read the size, or because the content was explicit? oped-as the poster never mentioned the size of the print, I had to believe she was stating the content was explicit. I guess I am what krickitt said-just playing dense.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:02:10 GMT -5
The parents had to sign permission slips for their children to participate in this intersession. If a parent objected, don't let their kids participate. Why pull it from the curriculum? Because they deem themselves fit to judge what other people's children should be able to read.....other parents just can't be trusted...... It's too bad that the school board caved to these self serving Puritans. It just emboldens them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:04:53 GMT -5
The parents had to sign permission slips for their children to participate in this intersession. If a parent objected, don't let their kids participate. Why pull it from the curriculum? Because they deem themselves fit to judge what other people's children should be able to read.....other parents just can't be trusted...... It's too bad that the school board caved to these self serving Puritans. It just emboldens them. The school board didn't cave to anyone. The decision is all theirs and they made it as they saw fit. Of course they could be being brainwashed due to the high levels of iodine in table salt and fluoride in water.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:06:20 GMT -5
Every child should be reading the Bible if not, that is censorship and banning. Are you serious?? If so, please explain why the child of an athiest or an agnostic should be forced to read a religious book?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:06:46 GMT -5
I didn't see anything horrible to the eyes in that passage... i thought it was very realistic and actually quite beautiful...
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:07:55 GMT -5
I took krickitt's comment exactly as you did, Tennesseer, before she added the print size caveat.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:09:17 GMT -5
[/quote] The school board didn't cave to anyone. The decision is all theirs and they made it as they saw fit. .[/quote] Archie, did you read the story? A second book has been pulled from the Bedford High School curriculum following complaints about its sexual content by the same parents who started the argument about “Nickel and Dimed: On Not Getting By In America,” which was removed from the high school’s personal finance course last month.www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/909268-196/second-book-challenged-and-removed-in-bedford.html
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:09:58 GMT -5
There wasn't anything that I could see in that passage that would be harmful to a child, either, oped. The child isn't going to read it in the same way an adult will read it. It's just a matter of common sense, if you stop to think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:11:57 GMT -5
The school board didn't cave to anyone. The decision is all theirs and they made it as they saw fit. .[/quote] Archie, did you read the story? A second book has been pulled from the Bedford High School curriculum following complaints about its sexual content by the same parents who started the argument about “Nickel and Dimed: On Not Getting By In America,” which was removed from the high school’s personal finance course last month.www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/909268-196/second-book-challenged-and-removed-in-bedford.html[/quote] yes, did you read the section that the school board has a process that they go through to decide what should be part of the curriculum?
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 18, 2011 14:11:58 GMT -5
Kind of like how the p.c. police have banned Tom Sawyer?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:14:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't agree with that either ed.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:14:06 GMT -5
I wonder how many kids are NOW going to make it a point to read the book? To find out what the fuss is all about.
When I was a junior in high school, we all, secretly read "Exodus". Secretly because it was a forbidden book (by the private Christian school we went to). It had, you know...."some parts".... That was the phrase used...
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 18, 2011 14:14:14 GMT -5
The school board didn't cave to anyone. The decision is all theirs and they made it as they saw fit. . Archie, did you read the story? A second book has been pulled from the Bedford High School curriculum following complaints about its sexual content by the same parents who started the argument about “Nickel and Dimed: On Not Getting By In America,” which was removed from the high school’s personal finance course last month.www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/909268-196/second-book-challenged-and-removed-in-bedford.html[/quote] yes, did you read the section that the school board has a process that they go through to decide what should be part of the curriculum? [/quote] yup, and they originally decided it was OK to include this book. only when these parents complained was the book removed from the curriculum. I suppose I should add that I got that piece from the tv news last night. I was reading the article I posted when the story hit channel 7's broadcast.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:16:18 GMT -5
The school board didn't cave to anyone. The decision is all theirs and they made it as they saw fit. . Archie, did you read the story? A second book has been pulled from the Bedford High School curriculum following complaints about its sexual content by the same parents who started the argument about “Nickel and Dimed: On Not Getting By In America,” which was removed from the high school’s personal finance course last month.www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/909268-196/second-book-challenged-and-removed-in-bedford.htmlyes, did you read the section that the school board has a process that they go through to decide what should be part of the curriculum? [/quote] yup, and they originally decided it was OK to include this book. only when these parents complained was the book removed from the curriculum. I suppose I should add that I got that piece from the tv news last night. I was reading the article I posted when the story hit channel 7's broadcast. [/quote] So, should the board be fired?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:18:48 GMT -5
LOL!! I would be very pleased if either of my daughters turned out like Dagny Taggart. I'm more liberal than lots of people, and I do not think people less liberal than I am should have to have their kids exposed to the same things I would allow my kids to be exposed to just because I say so. My kids had a hard life and were mature young. Not all kids are so mature, and not all families want their kids to be taught things contrary to what they are teaching them at home. Again-- there are MILLIONS of books that do not contain sex, drugs, alternate lifestyles, etc. Sounds like the school district is going to try to find a few of them. Good for them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 14:19:31 GMT -5
Kind of like how the p.c. police have banned Tom Sawyer? I am all for leaving books as they were originally written-warts and all.
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Post by steff on Feb 18, 2011 14:23:01 GMT -5
Not all kids are so mature, and not all families want their kids to be taught things contrary to what they are teaching them at home.
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are you simply incapable of realizing this was NOT required reading by ALL students? But a voluntary course that required permission slips to read the material in question? NO ONE was forcing any child to read something they didn't want to or that their parents wouldn't approve of.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:23:07 GMT -5
If the parents don't want their children exposed to such material, they shouldn't enroll those children in extra-curricular activities such as this one. If they object to materials being presented, remove the kid from the extra session that you shouldn't have signed him/her up for in the first place without asking the proper questions, in advance, to ensure your sensibilities weren't negatively impacted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:23:46 GMT -5
Did all of you read the same excerpt from water for elephants that I did?? Once again-- the link. www.nashuatelegraph.com/csp/cms/s....rElephants1.pdfI want to make sure we are talking about the same link, and hear everyone say they read this and think it is appropriate for a classroom.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:25:09 GMT -5
I can tell you for sure, if my child had been enrolled in this class, with my permission, and someone decided to remove the reading material because a parent complained, I'd have been sitting in the middle of the board chairman's desk eating my lunch, and his/hers!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:25:23 GMT -5
So, should the board be fired?
No, I don't think so. But if was MY school board, I'd be in there asking why they caved to ONE parent. And hopefully, next time, they'll demonstrate a bit of backbone.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 18, 2011 14:25:47 GMT -5
I can tell you for sure, if my child had been enrolled in this class, with my permission, and someone decided to remove the reading material because a parent complained, I'd have been sitting in the middle of the board chairman's desk eating my lunch, and his/hers! My sentiments exactly.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 18, 2011 14:25:59 GMT -5
Duplicate post.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 14:26:26 GMT -5
Yes, krickitt, I read the link. As I've said, a child will not read the material presented with the same mind-set you do. They don't think the way you do. They think as children. I see nothing particularly objectionable about that passage. I don't even consider it explicit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 14:26:47 GMT -5
So, should the board be fired? No, I don't think so. But if was MY school board, I'd be in there asking why they caved to ONE parent. And hopefully, next time, they'll demonstrate a bit of backbone. Hopefully other parents become involved with the board. I have a feeling that most schools have a few very involved parents and the rest are not involved at all.
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