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Post by suesinfl on Oct 20, 2013 9:01:32 GMT -5
I agree shooby, and I think that it is coming to the point of kids/parents rebelling against the coaching staff that is playing favorites. Its been going on for way too long.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 20, 2013 9:13:02 GMT -5
Well, part of the problem is that we have decide, are we fielding an "Everyone plays participation league" or are we fielding a competitive team? Sorry, you can't have both. If it is going to be a competitive team, then there need to be tryouts and cuts. And, the best players get to play as the goal is winning and other players have to work hard to move up in the ranks and earn a spot. Or, you can have an everyone plays x amount of time league. The real problem is that nobody seems to be clear on what the goal is. Let's define the goal and get the parents and everyone else understanding that. And, yes in a competitive league other kids will still get to play IF they work hard at practice and are developing their skills but no they are not going to play as much as the starters. That's the real world of competition. But, again, schools and parents can decide to take whatever approach they wish.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 20, 2013 9:15:51 GMT -5
One point though, i am coaching 6th grade basketball. And we now go and play 2 games. The first game, we play in a competitive way and we play to win. Mostly the starters play and some of the other girls who are developing well. Then, we play a second game and we play that as a developmental game and the other players who didn't play the first game play the second game and the starters sit. So, i think that this can be done in a way that is fair and good for everyone if we could perhaps play 2 games or play 2 additional quarters after the game or something like that. if you have a huge team, it simply isn't possible to get everyone in a 6 min quarter and have any type of quality playing time or cohesion of play.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 20, 2013 9:17:51 GMT -5
But, fundraisers, our basketball booster club has like $15K in the account! I mean, the school pays for the gym, basketballs, and uniforms. so why do we NEED SO much money? For what? And, if we have that much why do we still have to sell so much crap to pad that even more? They need to SPEND the money on the kids. Pay for basketball camp or have a banquet or something instead of hoarding this money.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Oct 20, 2013 9:36:14 GMT -5
I just don't give to fundraisers anymore. I am overwhelmed at work because we have a building-wide link that we can send general emails out on subjects of " I am selling this used item, " " I have 11 dozen eggs at work today so does anyone need any eggs, " " My sister's kid's best friend is selling plastic pumpkins to raise money for the next junior stunt-dancing contest competition, "there's a big garage sale next weekend at our house,' and my personal favorite, " vote for my nephew's picture so that he can win Mr. Cutie-Pie" and get a plastic crown.
I have bought a few used items and some honey, and once in awhile will get a lunch from some group that's been allowed to come in and do charitable fundraising under our employer's policy, usually for disease research or homeless type initiatives, but I just can't donate to Brittany's next trip to cheer camp. I think there thousands of wonderful parents out there with tens of thousands of wonderful children, and I admire them all. I'm just not financing them anymore. If I contribute anything, it's to two or three food banks, my daughter's educational loans being paid off, my DH's educational loans being paid off ( we just paid the highest-balance one off ), our retirement, extra payments on our mortgage, a little extra toward my almost-finished car loan, or fixing up one of our rentals. I had one kid, which I could afford ( most of the time ) ,and I can't see spending $ 25 for some stuff which I don't really want for some stranger's kid's optional activities. or even the activities of the kids of those who sit around me at work. I don't even know your kid !
Why should I work for an hour and a half while you talk on the phone to your boyfriend, net out the $ 25 plus some extra, and then turn around and just hand it over to you ??!! I don't get it.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 20, 2013 9:41:23 GMT -5
I think parents are just tired. We have selling fatigue. I have been selling stuff for my kids since they were 5 yrs old x 3 kids. And, I have had enough. Parents are tired!
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Post by suesinfl on Oct 20, 2013 9:50:27 GMT -5
shooby, that's just it. The sport is VERY competitive and if you're not playing to win, you don't need to be there, There were tryouts and the best of the best made the team, but this kid did not tryout and was put on the team after it was established. That is what has me so jaded. But my child decided to stick with it and knows that what was done is not fair, but it's just another of life's lessons to be learned.
To be fair, the kid is really sweet and naïve, but I also don't think this the kid knows what is going on, even though everyone else does.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 20, 2013 9:57:49 GMT -5
My approach to fundraisers has always been to find out what the "minimum" is that I must sell, then buy the minimum crap myself and then give it away to friends and family. I just can't be bothered with that nonsense. I just view it as a fee to play and move on.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Oct 20, 2013 10:19:49 GMT -5
I was always the mug that made cakes, stood on a stall, planted seeds for plant stall, painted tigers on kids faces for hours.
I got a bit fed up of those who gave a bottle of wine for the raffle and couldn't be bothered with anything else.
We bought books, funded trips, bought football strips.......and my kids enjoyed that too. I did my bit......even though my time is just as valuable as anyone else's.....and my money is just as important to me as other people ..... because I wanted to support my children's education.
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Post by Martivir on Oct 20, 2013 10:28:08 GMT -5
Shooby, so far we haven't had minimums. For the catalog they put down a goal of each kid selling ten items. I would love to join the PTA but the meetings are at really bad times. Like 3pm on a Thurs. Horrid for most parents I would think as some work, some of us are still waiting for the kid to get off the bus. And the meetings rotate between the schools( they go from ages 3-21) so no guarantee that between picking the kid up and driving to the right location you would even be close to on time. I am joining next year when he goes to the district school. Those meetings are much more working parent( or in my case SAHM with no car) friendly.
My neighbor has 2 kids and both are in competitive sports. They are both selling the same thing, at the same time for different sports.
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Post by toomuchreality on Oct 21, 2013 3:11:10 GMT -5
I know what you mean. But... The best wrapping paper I've ever had, came from a school fundraiser. I really liked the print (printed on both sides) and the quality. Initially, I was shocked by the price. But I got over that quick, when it came. There was a ton on the roll, and it was a good width too. I've always wished I could get more. (still do!) The other day, I wanted one of those candy bars, something fierce. I heard my neighbor's grand-daughter was selling them for school. Perfect! I thought. When I called my neighbor to see if I could buy one, she said they weren't selling them any more. It was over. BUMMER! Not everyone hates everything. I like having the opportunity/choice. Oh, TMR, dear friend. What is your address? I'll send my kiddos to your door pronto. They'll take checks but prefer cash. Lots of cash. Do they sell Girl Scout Cookies? Right now I'd pay big bucks for those! Or a pizza. I'm starving. I'm sure I've got some checks around here somewhere. <rummages through drawers> You make me laugh...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 12:06:24 GMT -5
I think parents are just tired. We have selling fatigue. I have been selling stuff for my kids since they were 5 yrs old x 3 kids. My co-worker just put up a cookie dough and bread dough sheet in the break room with a sign saying, "My 8-month old daughter is selling junk food to raise money for her school". She'd planned on putting it up just in our department but I suggested the break room. You never know. The sign was her idea.
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 22, 2013 12:19:13 GMT -5
I try really hard to not ask people to buy things for my kids school. I really only do a few fundraisers each year anyway. Well the big one for my DD is her band's yearly fruit sale. they sell oranges and grapefruit type of thing from a place that gets them from Florida. The money goes to the band to fund things like instrament repair or even the occasional new purchase. a couple of years ago it bought the marching band new uniforms. I will say that my neighbors who knew she was in the band actually came over and asked the first year if she was selling the fruit. They used to buy it every year from a boy who is long grown up and moved away. They loved the opportunity to purchase it from her. That makes it okay right?
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Post by swamp on Oct 22, 2013 12:20:11 GMT -5
My kids go to a Catholic School and they have monthly fundraisers like yankee candles, wrapping paper, pizzas, cookie dough, etc.
I refuse to sell any of it.
I will help with the big fundraisers like the spring auction or fall soccer tournament.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 22, 2013 12:36:46 GMT -5
From what I've heard, DS's school doesn't do fundraisers. It's been two months and so far we haven't gotten anything sent home, so that may be true. They do events - like carnivals, used book fairs, etc. They also request a flat donation each year - I think it was like $75 for 1 kid, $125 for a family. I don't recall. The slip that got sent home was confusing and I didn't understand where to send the money.
DS's school is in a very affluent area with really high parental invovlement. Apparently some of the very wealthy families are fairly big donors (like in the thousands) so it works for them. In previous years they always raised enough to hire a PT spanish teacher because the district wouldn't pay for one. This year the spanish teacher quit, so I'm not sure what all is planned for the money or if they plan to find a new spanish teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 12:45:06 GMT -5
I am so sick of fundraisers. Nobody wants to buy this crap and I feel guilty asking them to. Screw overpriced popcorn. I know how I could make some good money. I want to sell raffle tickets for $5 for 8 hours of my vacation I have left. Last year for the United Way drive they sold over 600 tickets in just a few days. That would cover all my son's boy scout camps including high adventure ones in Key West and Philmont.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 22, 2013 14:30:25 GMT -5
I think parents are just tired. We have selling fatigue. I have been selling stuff for my kids since they were 5 yrs old x 3 kids. My co-worker just put up a cookie dough and bread dough sheet in the break room with a sign saying, "My 8-month old daughter is selling junk food to raise money for her school". She'd planned on putting it up just in our department but I suggested the break room. You never know. The sign was her idea. An 8 month old? No, just no.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 22:42:01 GMT -5
An 8 month old? No, just no. Well, the info for the parents did caution against having the kids go door to door! (It's a Montessori so they do have older kids there but she got a good laugh picturing her kid crawling up on doorsteps.)
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Post by Shooby on Oct 23, 2013 6:42:00 GMT -5
Seriously, what IF parents just said, NO, I am not going to sell anything?
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