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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 15:01:29 GMT -5
A glass aquarium is not a suitable enclosure for a tortoise. A 5o gallon Rubbermaid is not ideal, but it is better than glass. Seeing out from their enclosure is not necessarily a great thing for a tortoise. I did not know that. Why shouldn't they be in an aquarium? (I have no plans to obtain a tortoise anytime soon, but now I'm curious) Aquariums are; -generally too small. -not a good shape (too tall and narrow) -hard to keep good airflow (rubbermaids you can drill holes into) -hard to keep a good temperature gradient (without a good airflow it is usually all too cool or if you have a hot spot it warms up the rest of enclosure to that it is all too warm) -hard to clean (the sharp corners of the aquarium of hard to get into a clean) -the reclective nature of the glass is not good (the toritoise can see his reflection and cause stress) -heavy
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Post by imawino on Oct 2, 2013 15:03:09 GMT -5
There is a pond near the phoenix zoo that has a million tortoises in it. I thought it was cool, but found out later that it just became this dumping ground for people who wanted to get rid of their tortoises and couldn't find a better solution. The zoo has gone ahead and done what they can to make it a livable habitat for them, but it wasn't a planned thing. This happened at Crandon Park in Miami, but with Iguanas. It became completely overrun with enormous igaunas. They had to start trapping and euthanizing them. Actually a lot of south Florida is full of iguanas now (which are not native there, they were pets that have been released and bred). And the Everglades has a massive snake problem because of idiots buying pythons and then realizing an ENORMOUS FUCKING SNAKE wasn't the best pet option after all and then releasing them. They have eaten tons of wildlife there, including deer!
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Post by imawino on Oct 2, 2013 15:05:47 GMT -5
I did not know that. Why shouldn't they be in an aquarium? (I have no plans to obtain a tortoise anytime soon, but now I'm curious) I believe tortoises require more of an outdoor habitat. They aren't aquatic. The burrow in the dirt to keep cool, etc. and such. I should have been more specific in my question. I'm mostly curious as to why seeing outside the enclosure is not a good thing for a tortoise.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 2, 2013 15:11:52 GMT -5
This happened at Crandon Park in Miami, but with Iguanas. It became completely overrun with enormous igaunas. They had to start trapping and euthanizing them. Actually a lot of south Florida is full of iguanas now (which are not native there, they were pets that have been released and bred). And the Everglades has a massive snake problem because of idiots buying pythons and then realizing an ENORMOUS FUCKING SNAKE wasn't the best pet option after all and then releasing them. They have eaten tons of wildlife there, including deer! I'm trying to adopt a new policy - every time I hear about how idiotic people can be, and especially when I hear about mass amounts of idiots, I try and be thankful. If people weren't such bozos, I wouldn't be considered an above average person. Seriously, my best attribute is to not be as dumb as two of the three people standing in my vicinity. So, let's all be happy that these stupid people made irresponsible decisions that really messed up a micro-eco-system, and thank them for making us appear so respectable and awesome.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Oct 2, 2013 15:19:00 GMT -5
I believe tortoises require more of an outdoor habitat. They aren't aquatic. The burrow in the dirt to keep cool, etc. and such. I should have been more specific in my question. I'm mostly curious as to why seeing outside the enclosure is not a good thing for a tortoise. gotcha. I have no idea. maybe it makes them sad. Ya know... like those first few days in spring, where the sun is finally out and the temper are finally above freezing, bordering on WARM... but you are stuck in the office and just looking out the window is complete torture
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Post by imawino on Oct 2, 2013 15:38:08 GMT -5
I should have been more specific in my question. I'm mostly curious as to why seeing outside the enclosure is not a good thing for a tortoise. gotcha. I have no idea. maybe it makes them sad. Ya know... like those first few days in spring, where the sun is finally out and the temper are finally above freezing, bordering on WARM... but you are stuck in the office and just looking out the window is complete torture That's what I was wondering! I bet they are depressed.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 2, 2013 15:41:28 GMT -5
gotcha. I have no idea. maybe it makes them sad. Ya know... like those first few days in spring, where the sun is finally out and the temper are finally above freezing, bordering on WARM... but you are stuck in the office and just looking out the window is complete torture That's what I was wondering! I bet they are depressed. Is it like birds and windows? They see their reflection and think it's another tortoise and want to fight/mate/have a latte?
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Post by imawino on Oct 2, 2013 15:45:37 GMT -5
That's what I was wondering! I bet they are depressed. Is it like birds and windows? They see their reflection and think it's another tortoise and want to fight/mate/have a latte? Birds fly into my office windows all the damn time. So it's double-depressing. On a nice spring day I'm looking out at the gorgeous day wishing I was outside and then BAM! sweet little bluebird lying dead outside the window. Ugh. Also, now you've made me want a latte.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Oct 2, 2013 15:54:20 GMT -5
great- now I want a latte too.
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Post by imawino on Oct 2, 2013 16:15:12 GMT -5
Birds fly into my office windows all the damn time. So it's double-depressing. On a nice spring day I'm looking out at the gorgeous day wishing I was outside and then BAM! sweet little bluebird lying dead outside the window. Ugh. Also, now you've made me want a latte. At least you have small birds bouncing off your windows. I have idiot turkeys jumping up in my office window. Here's me all quietly typing away or reading an email and WHACK!!! a dopey turkey bouncing off the window after trying to jump up into the tree and eat the berries. We have these giant, angry crows that would sit on my sills and pull out the rubber that surrounds the glass in the window frames (gaskets?). They had to install this coiled wire on the sills so they couldn't sit there anymore. It gives the place a nice prison vibe. But we do have some cute bluebirds, and some kind of tiny bright yellow bird. I like my office.
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Post by raeoflyte on Oct 2, 2013 19:17:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't take it, but of all the critters Dh has brought home over the years I really liked our Russian tortoise. Pretty, low maintenance, vegetarian, perfect pet. And she died of I assume natural causes after idk, 8 years?
Dh had a bad habit of bringing home animals and leaving out pesky details like life expectancy.
I think he ended up with the tortoise because it was left at the shelter he worked at and they didn't take them.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 4, 2013 8:25:55 GMT -5
Can you put a scary bird picture in the window? Won't help Sroo though. And it's funny you all want lattes. I don't even drink them, it was just the first thing that popped into my head.
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Post by Opti on Oct 4, 2013 8:42:02 GMT -5
Not sure if the answer for a tortoise is similar to some lizards or not. Some lizards will repeatedly rub their noses on the glass in an attempt to get out. They will rub down to the bone and sometimes get infections. Also some animals don't feel secure if they feel they have no place to be from prying eyes. Lastly some critters see their reflection in the glass and want to fight the other creature. If its a male thinking he has another male to fight, anything over a few minutes is generally not good. (Being in a heightened state ready to fight someone else for extended periods generally isn't healthy for herptiles or people.)
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