Ombud
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Post by Ombud on Sept 24, 2013 22:28:59 GMT -5
You're the one who said that they had so much in food stamps that they were unable to use them all and therefore felt entitled to sell them to make money to pay debts. And you agreed
Fraud is fraud
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gooddecisions
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Post by gooddecisions on Sept 25, 2013 9:11:51 GMT -5
..."They included everything, including the daycare paperwork but the school daycare did not give you a invoice, just the attachment in the handbook of the cost."
I have never heard of a daycare not providing a year to date statement of expenses upon request. I have to submit them for my FSA reimbursement and it's never been a problem. I wonder if she just didn't know what to ask for.
..."Well, the food stamp employee did not account for the daycare but when they tried to contact the employee and then the supervisor no one would return their calls."
Of course the food stamp employee did not account for the daycare, she didn't provide a copy of a year to date statement. A handbook is not sufficient documentation. Are PHDs really this stupid?
..."At this point, it had been over a month from her application."
A little over a month is not long at all. Are they really living that close to the edge with a "good paying job", that they can't use what's in their freezer, cabinets and savings account for 1 month without going into debt? That's crazy. Again, are PHDs really this stupid? Just reading between the lines, it's sounds like food is not what they needed but money and the food stamps was just a way to get money to pay for the things they really needed even if it meant committing fraud.
..."She then sold her food stamps to pay back the debt she went into while she was fighting this."
If she stocked piled as much as you say, how much was there really left over to pay off that debt? My guess is she spent very little on food because again, food was not what they needed. Poor character at best to take advantage of the system that way.
..."her husband found another job two months later"
Hopefully they've learned a lesson and do a better job saving up an emergency fund this time. But, if they have such poor character that fraud is their solution for a 2-3 month job loss (how about selling items or services, picking up a part-time job, cutting back on expenses, etc before committing fraud?), something tells me they won't. If anything, I'm impressed with how quickly they were able to get food stamps after a job loss. They didn't provide the proper paper-work and the state still managed to get it done within 2 months.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 10:02:14 GMT -5
Not sure but we are in a cheap area, buffalo where I spend $110 every two weeks using coupons and sales. The only reason I found out about it was I was asking if she wanted to go in on the grad student chicken deal (there is a butcher shop that sells 40lbs of boneless skinless chicken breasts for 1.40 per pound and we rotate who goes and gets it) and she told me no because they had already stocked up with the card. Then she told me about running out of non-perishables she could store and selling the rest before they expired. I don't know if I could spend $1000 here without being excessive, even if with stockpiling from ground zero, yet I could in Ca. I don't think it'd be hard to go through a grand if you head to the Wegman's: $1000/lb truffles, $80/lb Jamon Iberico ham, dry-aged beef, Alaskan salmon, king crab legs, and the specialty cheeses. Now I'm hungry!
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Ombud
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Post by Ombud on Sept 25, 2013 16:08:32 GMT -5
she was trying to fix the problem they created They had nothing to do with her lack of documentation or his job loss or their lack of an EF or refusal to go to a food bank I blame the employee more than my friend. For what? Following rules & regs to limit fraud? Oh yeah, that didn't work ... she did it anyway I wonder how many have been in that weak position, though. Well I have (1 month) but I still didn't need to commit fraud
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mizbear
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Post by mizbear on Sept 27, 2013 17:23:13 GMT -5
I am on the fence about this one. I follow the rules and watch people break them and get rewarded. However, I know that where I am, there are very specific documents that are acceptable. There are a lot of policies to be followed and a lot of hurdles. It is frustrating. It is more frustrating to watch someone blow several hundred dollars on junk food (I am not referring to processed, frozen, or RTE foods), I mean junk foods, while others try to stretch their dollar and are still struggling- usually the elderly and disabled and military.
I understand being in a hard spot, but having to use these resources- the few people who commit any type of fraud are all you hear about and they give everyone the same face regardless of their need or intent.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 1, 2013 19:04:05 GMT -5
If the dad had no job, why was the child in daycare?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 19:30:21 GMT -5
Couple reasons, one: the daycare has a 6-9 month wait list so he could not be pulled out and then put back when the dad got a job and two: the dad was going on jb interviews, find jobs, doing networking and could not watch his son. If the dad had no job, why was the child in daycare?
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 1, 2013 20:53:46 GMT -5
I wonder if the furloughed federal employees can apply for foodstamps this week.
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