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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 4, 2013 15:30:14 GMT -5
Yeah, we run emulators on the 64bit machines and create a virtual 32 bit Windows machine inside them. It's not a good solution but it works for now. Or until the vendor updates their software to machines that are actually ON the market now...
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Post by perhaps on Sept 4, 2013 15:34:26 GMT -5
We are a small office 3 employees and than the 2 owners. BUT we work for a huge insurance company. Got some more info from fellow co-worker.......M is a new employee at other office and doesn't have a log in yet.......meaning she hasn't been approved thru the big company, background check must not be complete. New owners thought it would be done by today and assumed they could get a log on for her. They didn't know it takes up to 48 hrs for the new log ins to be valid.
I guess they panicked and called technology to have my accounts accessed. So an unapproved bimbo is working on my system. any mistakes she does and it goes back to me. Wonderful!
I am not worried about my job. Wednesday is my normal day off. Not too sure how I am going to handle this. I love my job, my coworkers, and the company I work for. I have been here over 12 yrs. This new ownership is not off to a good start. Might be time to start calling contacts.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 4, 2013 15:35:50 GMT -5
I'm running into that now, my new laptop is arriving on Monday. I've been allowed (ha....I wasn't turning the old one in anyway) to keep the old one - WinXP - in order to run one enterprise application that doesn't work on 64 bit, which I need for pretty much everything else I do for my job.
I am not looking forward to playing with Win7. I've managed to put it off for so damn long.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 15:40:02 GMT -5
We are a small office 3 employees and than the 2 owners. BUT we work for a huge insurance company. Got some more info from fellow co-worker.......M is a new employee at other office and doesn't have a log in yet.......meaning she hasn't been approved thru the big company, background check must not be complete. New owners thought it would be done by today and assumed they could get a log on for her. They didn't know it takes up to 48 hrs for the new log ins to be valid. I guess they panicked and called technology to have my accounts accessed. So an unapproved bimbo is working on my system. any mistakes she does and it goes back to me. Wonderful! I am not worried about my job. Wednesday is my normal day off. Not too sure how I am going to handle this. I love my job, my coworkers, and the company I work for. I have been here over 12 yrs. This new ownership is not off to a good start. Might be time to start calling contacts. So the new owners bought your office and the office that M works at?
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Wisconsin Beth
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 4, 2013 15:42:47 GMT -5
What, so they hired her on Friday and told her to start on Tuesday?
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Post by workpublic on Sept 4, 2013 15:51:05 GMT -5
I am not looking forward to playing with Win7. I've managed to put it off for so damn long.
you can run applications "as XP" on win 7.
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Post by perhaps on Sept 4, 2013 15:53:43 GMT -5
Archie.....they bought M.s office a few yrs ago. I guess they hired M to be a go between, covering where needed, like Wednesday my day off. They just thought M would be up and running on her own by now.
And they did break into my system. They called technology to override my passwords so she could work off my name. According to our privacy agreement they can only have technology log into an employee's account if they suspect wrongdoing. My previous owner did it when production of a former employee dropped drastically, turns out she was on p.o.r.n. sites most of the work day.
So, again not too sure how to handle this. No point in changing my passwords, they were never used. My co-worker doesn't think they did it maliciously, they just needed M on the system so decided to have her be me. The asked co-worker to contact me for my log in info, when I ignored them they took it a step further and did it without my consent. If they had called me and explained the situation (not put co worker in the middle) I may hAve given them. Instead they just decided to impersonate me for the day!
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Post by movingforward on Sept 4, 2013 15:58:56 GMT -5
Archie.....they bought M.s office a few yrs ago. I guess they hired M to be a go between, covering where needed, like Wednesday my day off. They just thought M would be up and running on her own by now. And they did break into my system. They called technology to override my passwords so she could work off my name. According to our privacy agreement they can only have technology log into an employee's account if they suspect wrongdoing. My previous owner did it when production of a former employee dropped drastically, turns out she was on p.o.r.n. sites most of the work day. So, again not too sure how to handle this. No point in changing my passwords, they were never used. My co-worker doesn't think they did it maliciously, they just needed M on the system so decided to have her be me. The asked co-worker to contact me for my log in info, when I ignored them they took it a step further and did it without my consent. If they had called me and explained the situation (not put co worker in the middle) I may hAve given them. Instead they just decided to impersonate me for the day! Is this policy agreement set by the larger insurance company or is set by the owners where you work? If it is set by your owners then they can change the policy anytime they like. NOT saying it is right but they can...
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Post by cronewitch on Sept 4, 2013 16:02:43 GMT -5
I have all the passwords for everyone and server passwords. We don't track work by users much but works shouldn't be sharing passwords but we make exceptions. Five of us can access most payroll but only two of us confidential payroll so I would never share my password with the other three. My boss can log in as me and has when I was on vacation and I logged in as my old boss a few times. We have the receptionist leave her machine logged in at lunch and end of day because it is easier. I sit at her desk the last couple hours so work with her log in unless I need something she can't see. I shut it down for night and nobody with less security ever covers her phones. One woman had shared her password with an equal now didn't want to have it shared so we changed hers. This week that women is covering for a vacation at someone else's desk and needs to run things only the vacationing person can run so logs in as her. They are set up with identical security and started from day one knowing the payroll person's log in. I would never accuse someone of something based on log in information.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Sept 4, 2013 16:11:29 GMT -5
Archie.....they bought M.s office a few yrs ago. I guess they hired M to be a go between, covering where needed, like Wednesday my day off. They just thought M would be up and running on her own by now. And they did break into my system. They called technology to override my passwords so she could work off my name. According to our privacy agreement they can only have technology log into an employee's account if they suspect wrongdoing. My previous owner did it when production of a former employee dropped drastically, turns out she was on p.o.r.n. sites most of the work day. So, again not too sure how to handle this. No point in changing my passwords, they were never used. My co-worker doesn't think they did it maliciously, they just needed M on the system so decided to have her be me. The asked co-worker to contact me for my log in info, when I ignored them they took it a step further and did it without my consent. If they had called me and explained the situation (not put co worker in the middle) I may hAve given them. Instead they just decided to impersonate me for the day! I think the bigger question I'd be having right now is, What other corners are they cutting or willing to cut for the sake of expediency and poor planning? I'd also be more concerned about the larger company not approving of this kind of behavior.
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Post by perhaps on Sept 4, 2013 16:13:19 GMT -5
The privacy agreement is set by the big company. When you log in for the day, everyday, there is a nice bold paragraph that explains the proper use of "their" equipment. By logging in you understand this agrrment and the proper use of equipment.
So, yes, I could call thebig company and blow them in. They did a BIG no no. In addition to insurance we sell securities, so there may be a breach in the SEC agreement as well.............not small stuff. And really stupid of them to do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 16:14:09 GMT -5
The privacy agreement is set by the big company. When you log in for the day, everyday, there is a nice bold paragraph that explains the proper use of "their" equipment. By logging in you understand this agrrment and the proper use of equipment. So, yes, I could call thebig company and blow them in. They did a BIG no no. In addition to insurance we sell securities, so there may be a breach in the SEC agreement as well.............not small stuff. And really stupid of them to do. Is IT part of corporate?
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 4, 2013 16:41:14 GMT -5
I am not looking forward to playing with Win7. I've managed to put it off for so damn long. you can run applications "as XP" on win 7. not with the locked-down images we're being given now, or so I'm told. I'll have "admin" rights to let me maintain the software I need to do my job, but it won't be the administrator access I have now. some coworkers with the new images can't even change their desktop wallpaper. damn parent company meddling in our affairs.
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Post by souldoubt on Sept 4, 2013 17:24:16 GMT -5
Everyone having the same password just sounds like an unecessary risk to me regardless of the size of the company. I work for a firm in the finance industry now and access to certain drives or folders is defined by your log in as some things most of the firm doesn't need access to. Also if I log in using my info at any computer it gives me access to my outlook. Even when I worked for a non profit years ago I wouldn't have wanted someone to be able to log in to my computer using my info. I trust my co-workers but if someone goes in using your access the only real footprint days, weeks or months later is that IT can say who was logged in.
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Post by perhaps on Sept 4, 2013 18:03:35 GMT -5
The It Department is part of the big company.
There is no point in resetting my passwords or getting a new log in. Let me try and walk u thru it. Owner sits at my desk, calls IT and says I am so and so, gives a password for verification and then tells IT they need access to my system bc of xyz reason. Xyz is supposed to be linked to possible wrongdoing or misconduct. IT then remotes into my computer and unlocks it. Then owner has access to everything.
Not sure what owner told Tech to get on my computer but once it was unlocked they let M play me for the day.
As someone mentioned, what else are they going to do? They already think nothing of breaking the company's tech/privacy agreement. They let an disappointed employee play me for the day. She can potentially seriously screw me. And what the he'll did they tell IT to get into my system.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Sept 4, 2013 18:16:47 GMT -5
The It Department is part of the big company. There is no point in resetting my passwords or getting a new log in. Let me try and walk u thru it. Owner sits at my desk, calls IT and says I am so and so, gives a password for verification and then tells IT they need access to my system bc of xyz reason. Xyz is supposed to be linked to possible wrongdoing or misconduct. IT then remotes into my computer and unlocks it. Then owner has access to everything. Not sure what owner told Tech to get on my computer but once it was unlocked they let M play me for the day. As someone mentioned, what else are they going to do? They already think nothing of breaking the company's tech/privacy agreement. They let an disappointed employee play me for the day. She can potentially seriously screw me. And what the he'll did they tell IT to get into my system. If you believe that the IT department was lied to and misused, you could talk to them directly about that. IT for the parent company may not appreciate being used for a franchisee's expediency.
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Post by perhaps on Sept 4, 2013 18:32:31 GMT -5
And I am not a new employee, we just have New ownership. I have worked here over 12 yrs with no issues. Now day 2 of New ownership and this is what they pull? I have had the same log in id for12 yrs. Any work I do with a client has my id number on it. If there is a problem with an account you can search the history and tell who did what.
So all the work done under my id for Sep. 4, 2013 and people are gonna think it is me. I really doubt we r going to remember a few yrs from now that M was me on that day. Sometimes errors aren't noticed right away, nice to know that my id is tied to someone else's work.
And as I mentioned before, we also do some securities work. Having someone that had not been approved by the big company doing work is just plain stupid.
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Post by milee on Sept 4, 2013 18:54:08 GMT -5
I could be misinterpreting or misremembering, so please excuse me if this is off base, but it sounds like you are not happy with the fact the company has been sold and have been feeling apprehensive about the new ownership and what will happen. Totally understandable and it's also common to feel defensive and maybe even a little hostile in that situation.
Also, it's never a good thing for a new employer to start out by creating trust issues or breaches of company policy.
That being said, your reactions to the situation may be making it worse rather than better. Yes, it's your day off and it's annoying that they contacted you for access. But you decided to play a passive aggressive game and not respond, so they did a workaround (not agreeing with the workaround, just pointing out your role in the situation.) You also seem very hostile to a fellow employee who probably had little control over the situation and have been calling her some very inflammatory, negative phrases, even though she's just working at what her employer is directing her to do.
In an earlier post, you seemed very worried about layoffs, but I'm worried that you are creating the situation you most fear through your actions. You don't have to go along with a security breach, but you can step up to work with the new people to solve problems rather than evade and snipe. If the new employer just isn't a good fit, then go now rather than stay and risk burning a bridge. Totally understandable to seek another job, not at all understandable or ethical to just stay, pollute the office and stew in negativity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 19:06:06 GMT -5
so what happens when someone does some inappropriate surfing of the internet? if everyone in the office logs on with the same password, how do you know who's visiting the porn site? how do you know who's wasting time? how do you know who did something malicious? I have a government computer and log into a government system. We are not allowed to give anyone our passwords for any of the multiple systems we log into.
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Post by movingforward on Sept 4, 2013 20:01:39 GMT -5
so what happens when someone does some inappropriate surfing of the internet? if everyone in the office logs on with the same password, how do you know who's visiting the porn site? how do you know who's wasting time? how do you know who did something malicious? I have a government computer and log into a government system. We are not allowed to give anyone our passwords for any of the multiple systems we log into. My employer doesn't monitor our computer usage or what we do on it. As long as your work is done you are left alone. If the work isn't getting done then I suppose that would be addressed but we are not micromanaged. We also don't deal with any highly sensitive materials. The only sensitive issue would be financials and that is under a different system that only our accountant, cpa, and director has access to. Honestly, I don't see it as that big of a deal. The only thing I take issue with is that someone could have access to my email which is why I don't allow any personal emails to be sent to my work address. I guess if someone is nosey or wishes to sabatoge me they could but I don't sit around worrying about it.
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Post by JustLurkin on Sept 4, 2013 20:58:44 GMT -5
The It Department is part of the big company. There is no point in resetting my passwords or getting a new log in. Let me try and walk u thru it. Owner sits at my desk, calls IT and says I am so and so, gives a password for verification and then tells IT they need access to my system bc of xyz reason. Xyz is supposed to be linked to possible wrongdoing or misconduct. IT then remotes into my computer and unlocks it. Then owner has access to everything. Not sure what owner told Tech to get on my computer but once it was unlocked they let M play me for the day. As someone mentioned, what else are they going to do? They already think nothing of breaking the company's tech/privacy agreement. They let an disappointed employee play me for the day. She can potentially seriously screw me. And what the he'll did they tell IT to get into my system. That's still not right. They wouldn't need to be logged on as you to access your data--replicating your access and permissions is easy enough. There's more to it, and I'd be raising all kinds of hell to find out what it was. They basically brought Joe Blow in from off the street and gave them access to company data using your computer credentials. You said it's a large company--I'd lodge an HR complaint just to have my ass covered. They contacted you, you didn't respond, and you accidentally found out your account was in use...next time they won't bother contacting you.
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Post by perhaps on Sept 4, 2013 21:58:28 GMT -5
I have no clue how to quote here.....In response to milee
Yes I am apprehensive, a bit upset, and probably shouldn't have said negative things about M. BUT one of the reasons I am so upset is I have gone out of my way the last month or so to make this transition work. I have done a ton of damage control with the 2 other employees and some of our bigger accounts. So I am feeling a bit betrayed.
They have no clue I know about this. And I haven't figured out how I am going to handle tomorrow. I am the type of person that is incredibly loyal until you give me a reason not to be. I am trying to decide if this is something I can forgive and move on. If not, this isn't going to work. A lot depends on how tomorrow goes.
I won't be back on until tomorrow night. Hopefully, it will be with a positive update.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 22:18:34 GMT -5
When you get back in, document the use of your accounts/password by another user while you were out. Then ask them to state what their IT policy is since all documents you were provided indicated that no one is to share their passwords etc.
At the smaller business I worked in, we would provide our passwords for access while we were out. But at a large company, never!!
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 4, 2013 22:47:39 GMT -5
I won't be back on until tomorrow night. Hopefully, it will be with a positive update. good luck tomorrow, perhaps. <hugs> sent from my electronic distraction
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 5, 2013 7:17:26 GMT -5
I won't be back on until tomorrow night. Hopefully, it will be with a positive update. good luck tomorrow, perhaps. <hugs> sent from my electronic distraction
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Post by happyscooter on Sept 5, 2013 7:23:47 GMT -5
Can you have someone just sign a paper saying 'Jane Smith was off on Sept 3, 2013 and I gave Betty Jones access to Jane's password. Signed Jim White'
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Post by happyscooter on Sept 5, 2013 7:25:03 GMT -5
Ask Jim to sign that paper and he will ask 'you weren't here the other day when Ms. Boss Lady called and got your sign-on info'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 8:12:37 GMT -5
The It Department is part of the big company. There is no point in resetting my passwords or getting a new log in. Let me try and walk u thru it. Owner sits at my desk, calls IT and says I am so and so, gives a password for verification and then tells IT they need access to my system bc of xyz reason. Xyz is supposed to be linked to possible wrongdoing or misconduct. IT then remotes into my computer and unlocks it. Then owner has access to everything. Not sure what owner told Tech to get on my computer but once it was unlocked they let M play me for the day. As someone mentioned, what else are they going to do? They already think nothing of breaking the company's tech/privacy agreement. They let an disappointed employee play me for the day. She can potentially seriously screw me. And what the he'll did they tell IT to get into my system. I do not think perhaps should get worked up about this, since the IT Dept and M are from the "big company" and the "big company" allowed the password change . But the letter is a good idea of it will giver her peace of mind.
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Post by midjd on Sept 5, 2013 8:47:51 GMT -5
But wouldn't someone have had to lie to IT/the big company in order to gain access? If the only reason they were allowed to get access was potential wrongdoing/misconduct...
That would be my primary concern. If someone is lying to the parent company about my account, and someone else is using my account to work, I would want to get as far away from that as possible (lest I be splattered when the shit hits the fan).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 8:59:29 GMT -5
If M is a floater, then the IT department may have run into this before. Boss could have called and said "We have M working here today and she doesn't have a password to sign in over here yet". (instead of "perhaps is hanging out on a message board on our dime and we want to investigate her" ) And it's possible that IT said "Ahhh....M! We've had this happen with her before. Let me reset the password on that station and she should be good to go" instead of something more nefarious. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I guess. Perhaps hasn't been around the new big company long enough to know if this is SOP or not. (ETA: regardless of what's in the handbook or not)
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