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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:53:33 GMT -5
(OT) if anyone thinks quilting is a lost art, visit the Natl. Quilt Museum in Paducah, KY. The award winning quilts are not to be believed. Additionally, the University of Nebraska in Lincoln, now offers advanced degrees in textiles due to a donation of antique quilts. uNL has also built a museum for display of these quilts. Quilting has become big business as both men and women are learning to quilt. Collectively, I'm sure there are a lot of people that quilt. I know a few, but they are all older. I don't know anyone under the age of 50 that quilts. I get why people get nostalgic about the way they were taught, but schools can't afford to be wasting time with something that doesn't serve much of a purpose. The 3rd grade teacher teaches them cursive and then the 4th grade teacher is teaching them how to use technology for their schoolwork. I'm sure that 95% of the parents don't care if they kids learn it and probably 5% want them to learn it. But the 5% probably don't care enough to teach them on their own time, so it must not be that important.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:56:12 GMT -5
I went to grade school in the 1950s so I learned the old-fashioned way. My cursive writing is a little non-traditional but it's pretty (although DH says he can't read it). I like to take notes with a pencil and paper and transcribe them for the computer later. The extra step helps me reinforce things. Every year at Christmas I hand-write 15-20 2-page letters that go with my Christmas cards to friends and family out of town. I love it- it's a lost art and an antidote to the "buy, buy, gimme" advertising all around me.
Two other generations: my mother's handwriting is beautiful and a pleasure to read and she's 82. It's a little shaky now but it's pure Palmer method. When DS (now 28) was little and learning to read, he got annoyed when I'd write "stuck" (his word for cursive because the letters were strung together) and he couldn't read it. He insisted on teaching himself to write cursive. So, he could write cursive before kindergarten, but I don't know if he does much of it now.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 27, 2013 9:13:05 GMT -5
I learned it. If I take my time my handwriting is gorgeous according to several people who've watched me write. It's rare I take that much time anymore. I only do so for thank you notes nowadays.
Otherwise I print and sometimes I can't even read it. It's not chicken scratch like my dad but not as nice as my mom's. My printing is somewhere in-between.
I'll probably teach it to Gwen if they don't teach it in school anymore. I think it's a good exercise in discipline and skill. I don't really care if she ever uses it but I think it's a good skill to pick up.
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Post by The Home 6 on Aug 27, 2013 9:14:31 GMT -5
I'm under 35, and I quilt, crochet, and sew. (Knitting has thus far escaped me. Perhaps if I was rich and was looking for something to fill my time, I would learn it.) My letters get strung together when I print, so I have a sort of printing/cursive hybrid. I had to learn cursive starting in the third grade, and the teacher would not accept any work that was printed. I also had the same teacher for 3rd-5th grade (yay for tiny schools), so that was 3 years of no printing at ALL. She was super strict about cursive. When I moved up into the 6th grade and had another teacher, I never wrote in cursive again except to sign my name. And now, my signature looks more like printing. It is legible, though. I have quite nice, clear printing.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 27, 2013 9:35:10 GMT -5
I don't know if my kids learned cursive, but I do know that starting in kindergarten the letters they were taught we very round and scrollie, instead of the block letters that I used. The type of script had a certain name, and our K teacher told us that they did it that way because it was easier for kids to transition to cursive.
I'll ask my kids if they are learning cursive - I think my daughter did, so maybe my son will this year. Doesn't matter - it will still be totally illegible.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 27, 2013 9:59:27 GMT -5
I learned it, but other than sign my name (and for whatever reason, the word Love), I never use it. It is considered bad form to use cursive in my work. Surveyor's notes should always be printed in capital letters to avoid confusion if brought to court. Engineer's notes can also be subpoenaed for court and therefor any notes that you keep should be 100% legible and not open to interpretation.
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Post by lynnerself on Aug 27, 2013 10:39:39 GMT -5
I don't know if my kids learned cursive, but I do know that starting in kindergarten the letters they were taught we very round and scrollie, instead of the block letters that I used. The type of script had a certain name, and our K teacher told us that they did it that way because it was easier for kids to transition to cursive. It's called D'Nealian. My kids were taught it at one school, but it's not very common. D'Nealian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 11:18:34 GMT -5
I'm a hybrid writer....part cursive part printing. I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that DD will probably not learn it in school. I will probably, at the very least, teach her how to read it at home. Most of my handwritten stuff is just short notes. I still have a paper calendar because I like to see it not on the computer. Same way with my to do lists....
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 27, 2013 13:00:16 GMT -5
1950s grade school activities: 1.. At start of day, we stood, faced the flag with hand over heart and recited the Pledge of Allegiance. Yes, I remember clearly when the word God was inserted into it. 2. Following the Pledge, we sang a patriotic song: Gold Bless America, America the Beautiful etc. 3-4-5-6-7-8 etc..... We had art classses twice a week with an actual art teacher (oh was I terrible at it). We had a music teacher 2 times a week teaching us how to sing and play that silly black flute that is now called a recorder We had 2 recesses and lunch was in our lunch box. We learned, english, spelling, had to learn to diagram a sentence i.e verb/adverb/adjective etc. Math, science, and above all we had to learn to read. Reading included standing up in class and reading aloud to the rest of the class. We did pretty much all that stuff when I was in grade school in the early 90's. I remember saying the pledge of allegiance (with God), though we didn't sing any songs. Though I think by the time I was in high school we only said the POA once a week, on Monday mornings. We had an art teacher and a music teacher and a gym teacher once or twice a week. I recall learning to play the recorder, except ours was beige. I think we only had one recess though. We learned to diagram a sentence and the like.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 13:21:50 GMT -5
I see cursive as a good thing to learn in order to sign one's name. Otherwise... And it was 7-8 years ago, but DH (then BF) wrote me a postcard a day (and a three page letter) when he went to Hawaii with his family for vacation one year. Letters are beautiful, but emails can also be beautiful. Yes, the medium does make a difference, but the message is the most important part IMO.
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Post by The Home 6 on Aug 27, 2013 13:22:48 GMT -5
I don't know if my kids learned cursive, but I do know that starting in kindergarten the letters they were taught we very round and scrollie, instead of the block letters that I used. The type of script had a certain name, and our K teacher told us that they did it that way because it was easier for kids to transition to cursive. It's called D'Nealian. My kids were taught it at one school, but it's not very common. D'NealianHuh, I write in D'Nealian manuscript, apparently.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 27, 2013 13:24:08 GMT -5
I recall learning to play the recorder, except ours was beige
I would be very happy if the recorder died a horrible death. I think my parents drank a lot when I had to practice it in 3rd grade.
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mine looks to be a D'Nealian manuscript and cursive hybrid.
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Post by midjd on Aug 27, 2013 13:28:50 GMT -5
Yup! Maybe the Indiana public school curriculum was just behind the times. I was at Menard's this weekend and when I signed the back of my rebate receipt, the cashier asked me where I'd gone to school... he then started talking about his GF who is a second grade teacher, and how one of her kids who had moved here from NY held their pen the same way I do (between index/middle fingers), and how hard it was for the GF to teach that kid cursive. So, based only on a story from a possibly-stoned Menard's cashier, I will assume they still teach cursive in second grade here.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 27, 2013 13:40:57 GMT -5
Ha, MidJD, that's funny! I don't know, I think I have to give the guy credit for actually listening to his GF and knowing that much about her day! Not bad, I have to say.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 27, 2013 13:48:02 GMT -5
When youngest DS started school they "taught" cursive, as in, they showed them the alphabet in cursive and then just let them have at it. The whole purpose of cursive is to put your pen (or pencil) to paper and write continuously through each word (or so I was taught). But in my son's class they just let them figure out how to make each letter LOOK like the cursive example with no connectivity or direction as to whether to start you letter on the top of the line, the bottom, etc. I was so disappointed because at the time this was the "favored" school! Needless to say his handwriting is atrocious and watching those poor kids try to write in cursive was such a struggle I wish they school had just not bothered. (And yes, I tried to teach him at home, but he wasn't too excited about it)
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 27, 2013 13:55:55 GMT -5
Gets met thinking, though, after some have mentioned that not too many kids can read in cursive is perhaps that can be the new "secret code"? Don't want your kids or other youngsters to know something? Write it down in cursive! They'll never know what it says. Kind of like the best "security system" for your vehicle these days is to buy a standard. Not a lot of people know how to drive them anymore.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 27, 2013 14:09:09 GMT -5
I am always amused by my 95yo great aunt. She quilts and if you take her to a quilt show, at some point you will hear, "machine quilting is not quilting, it's sewing." She still does it all by hand. To the original point, my oldest never learned a bit of cursive but his younger sister did. Not sure how much was actually taught at school since she showed interest at home and I printed her some pages off the internet to practice with. DS just prints his name for his "signature" so far, no issues. I tried to show him how to write it in cursive, he just doesn't care. Not sure if younger DS is going to learn cursive, he's in 4th grade now and still no sign of it.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 27, 2013 14:13:02 GMT -5
My kids' elementary school was phasing cursive out when they were there. YDS learned it in 3rd grade and can read and write it fluently. ODS was pulled out of cursive lessons for speech and language therapy and missed learning cursive. It really pains him, especially when he has to sign a check received as a gift, or a job application, or his driving permit. Or, if he has to read the message on a greeting card. It's just a constant, nagging, little reminder that he is/was different. I'd asked them to teach him during free time, recess, whatever, but my request fell on deaf ears. It really doesn't take a lot of time to teach cursive -- he certainly could have completed the practice pages at home. Heck, they wouldn't even give us a cursive book to use. Yeah, I could have taught him myself, and still may. But, it is just another thing in a long list of items the school cheated him out of. But, then, I am a card-carrying Luddite who still values cursive, art, music, recess, civics, etc. Just as an outsider listening to that story, I'm not surprised it fell on deaf ears. They took him out of the class that probably serves the least amount of purpose and gave him speech path; something that would've cost a lot of money to do privately and will serve him much greater. And then you ask the teachers to give up their planning time during school to teach him? Because you ARE an outsider, I'll go easy on you. And, I'll even give you the Cliff Notes version just because I'm nice that way. So, please read this in the tone it is written and intended: advisory and explanatory. Trust me when I tell you that we paid tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket for private speech therapy, physical therapy, occupational therapy, tutoring, evaluations, etc. Yes, the school provided some of all of the above, as it should under federal and state law. In fact, the law says the school should have provided it ALL. But, sometimes you just got to jump in and get your kid what he/she needs and pay for it yourself because the need is immediate and the school district is dragging their feet. The law also says that children in special education cannot be denied access to the "general curriculum". Cursive is/was part of the general curriculum. ODS was denied access to cursive instruction (and other areas of the general curriculum). I never asked any teacher to give up planning time. In fact, if the school district was following the law, no one had to "give up" any time to teach my child (or any child) cursive (or any other area of the general curriculum sacrificed to provide special education). But, I learned early on to pick my battles with the school district because advocating for a child in special education can literally and figuratively eat you alive. So, I caved on cursive although I regret doing so to this day.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 27, 2013 14:34:28 GMT -5
Hmmm, I guess since I've never really written in cursive I've never felt any sense of loss by not doing it. Personally, I'd be fine if my kids never learned it except to sign their name.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 27, 2013 14:44:26 GMT -5
Hmmm, I guess since I've never really written in cursive I've never felt any sense of loss by not doing it. Personally, I'd be fine if my kids never learned it except to sign their name. It's one thing to attend a school that never teaches it. It's an entirely different thing to attend a school that teaches it but you aren't taught. So, during the day when your classmates are completing worksheets or writing on the blackboard or signing out books at the library and using cursive to do so, you are not only unable to join in, you are also unable to read what they wrote. I can work with him on his signature. But, every time he signs something he feels the loss. If I leave a note for him on the kitchen counter, I have to remember to print it when I might normally write it because my cursive speed is far faster than my printing. A birthday card from an older relative has to be translated for him. I just don't see why, as a society, we are so quick to give things up in favor of the "new", "faster", "easier", "latest technology", etc. Just because something might be slower and can be painstaking doesn't necessarily render it useless or obsolete, IMHO. Well-written cursive can be beautiful. It is an art -- a lost art, granted -- but an art still the same.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 27, 2013 15:03:22 GMT -5
I've never had good handwriting, cursive, print, or otherwise. One effect of my asperger's is lack of fine motor control in my hands. It's fine for just about everything, but my penmenship isn't that great. As an adult, my handwriting is legible, but certainly not pretty.
I do honestly have a bit of trouble reading cursive, but I can usually figure it out, unless it's really slanted and smushed together or otherwise poorly written.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 27, 2013 15:15:09 GMT -5
I recall learning to play the recorder, except ours was beige
I would be very happy if the recorder died a horrible death. I think my parents drank a lot when I had to practice it in 3rd grade. Remember doing those theatre productions in grade school? There are only so many characters in Peter Pan, so the vast majority of us (including many of the girls) ended up as lost boys, or in the choir. I ended up in the choir.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 27, 2013 15:19:49 GMT -5
Yes. I got to be Vixen during our first grade Christmas pagent. Then I remember the god-awful Thanksgiving pagent we did one year. I can still sing one of the songs.
I can still do the dance moves that went to it as well. I should do that this year at Thanksgiving.
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Lost art is a bit strong. It's a writing system they change with the times. None of us teach our kids hieroglyphics, or how to write/draw illuminated manuscripts.
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Post by gooddecisions on Aug 27, 2013 15:56:19 GMT -5
It's easier and faster for me to write in cursive than in print. But, I mostly type these days so it doesn't really matter. I could see where schools would choose computers and typing over teaching cursive if time was an issue. I will buy a book or print some stuff off the internet to help my daughter learn, probably when she's 8 or 9. I don't understand why any parent wouldn't do that if it's important to them. I can remember my dad tutoring me for at least 2 hours a day on math after dinner so I could stay in my honor's class.
Not everything should be put on the schools, we as parents have a responsibility to teach and educate as well and if cursive is important to you or your child- step up and teach it.
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Post by Malarky on Aug 27, 2013 17:32:24 GMT -5
Reason #862 that I'm a bad parent... I have gorgeous handwriting. I perfected it in high school so I could forge my mother's gorgeous handwriting. I was also the parent signature of six of my friends. I know I should be , but I still feel pretty about it. I told both my kids that if they could do what I did, they would have a "get out of jail free" cards in high school. It was incentive to learn a skill that they wouldn't gain otherwise. DD is close, DS will never get it. I do think that it serves a purpose for some kids. Writing out information is a way of reinforcing information. For some, this is a valuable step. DD is one of those who "loses" information if she doesn't have physical access to it. Taking longhand notes is so much better for her than on the computer.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 27, 2013 17:41:02 GMT -5
Mine is cursive...and so messy that no-one can read it but me. Quite good for exams though because I can get away with spelling mistakes and no-one knows.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 27, 2013 18:01:33 GMT -5
My daughter's new school building was built in 1916. Her class is on the second floor and has beautiful, tall windows. The old cursive letter charts were left above her blackboard. She decided to leave them up since the children she is teaching are mostly behind in proficiency their grade levels ( the school was set up for these kids and has 210 days of instruction instead of the standard 180 days ), in the hopes that maybe it would stimulate some of them.
A few students are curious about the cursive, so they're going to try some out as a class.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 27, 2013 19:09:16 GMT -5
My kids said the pledge and sung the national anthem every morning. My son is in 4th - still does it. I guess it isn't happening at the 5th - 12th grade school that my daughter is in.
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