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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 24, 2013 0:39:28 GMT -5
what? you don't like those shoes?
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Aug 24, 2013 1:29:18 GMT -5
LOL, Thyme. I used to love the craziness of EE - unfortunately, most the people who made it "crazy & entertaining" have been banned becauce they couldn't seem to learn how far they could push the envelope before it was too far.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 24, 2013 9:59:39 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 24, 2013 11:29:10 GMT -5
in movies women wear high heels to go hiking - right?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2013 11:38:00 GMT -5
LOL, Thyme. I used to love the craziness of EE - unfortunately, most the people who made it "crazy & entertaining" have been banned becauce they couldn't seem to learn how far they could push the envelope before it was too far. Yes, but wasn't pushing the envelope what made it interesting and less boring? Perhaps. However, pushing the envelope can result in the loss of the boards, lonewolf. At that point, it's no longer interesting, eh?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2013 12:18:31 GMT -5
There are things that happen that involve ProBoards administration that you know nothing about, lonewolf. If there was such a loss, the boards would just be gone - so, you wouldn't hear about it, would you? Moonbeam is the one most aware of what ProBoards will tolerate and what they won't tolerate. The rest of the staff has read the ProBoards ToS very carefully and many of us spend time on the support board to keep our fingers on the pulse. Have you done either of those things? Most posters haven't. Boards just up and disappear, lonewolf. Proboards WILL shut them down if the ToS is violated in what they consider to be a reckless way. Allowing pornographic content (not just what we might consider porn, but anything that ProBoards doesn't consider to be PG-13) is one way of assuring you'll be shut down. Boards that let flaming get out of hand often find themselves on the outside looking in. ProBoards makes it very, very clear we are to err on the side of caution and conservative posting. That's the way it is.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2013 12:35:49 GMT -5
MM...I can understand the porn, but we see flaming and a lot worse on many of the boards and it seems to be allowed, not that I approve. I guess it all depends on the administrator and the mods. I guess my concern is that the board will eventually shut down on its own if it becomes too restrictive. Some of the small boards aren't quite as visible as we are, lonewolf, for a number of reasons I won't go into. We do know, however, ProBoards is VERY proactive if they decide to be. If you think moonbeam isn't just as concerned (probably more) as you are, you've got another think coming. The board, however, isn't in any danger of shutting down at this point in time. I've brought in a new member just about every day the last week, and moonbeam has also brought in a couple. This message board is no more restrictive than it must be to ensure its continued existence in light of ProBoards' rules and our CoC. As far as the boards shutting down, I think that concern should probably be left to moonbeam, who knows much more about what's required than you do, or I do.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2013 12:44:38 GMT -5
Here you go, lonewolf (and anyone else who might have questions). This is a recent post by Patrick Clinger, CEO of ProBoards in answer to a query about the monitoring of associated message boards: Patrick Clinger 16 hours ago ProBoards Admin ***** President and CEO We are very clear and open about our policies for monitoring forums. As I stated both in the topic you are referring to, and via PM to you: Our team does review certain forums for TOS violations. This could be because of a tip we received from an outside source, or due to the level of traffic a forum receives and comes flagged up in our system for review. This is complete public knowledge and has always been. Here's a link to the thread that started the discussion which resulted in Mr. Clinger's post: link to thread on support boardHere's the thread that contains Mr. Clinger's post, as cut/pasted above: link to thread on support board
When you start questioning why some things are done, and why we can seem so strict, it helps if you educate yourself first. You might have a better understanding of what we're doing, and why. In the meantime, I hope this helps to clarify matters for posters with questions. You're certainly not the only one who's expressed concern, lonewolf.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 17:50:16 GMT -5
MM...I can understand the porn, but we see flaming and a lot worse on many of the boards and it seems to be allowed, not that I approve. I guess it all depends on the administrator and the mods. I guess my concern is that the board will eventually shut down on its own if it becomes too restrictive. You want overmoderating, you go to bogleheads forums and check that out for a bit.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2013 17:56:29 GMT -5
I've never been to those forums, davebo. Bad, eh?
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Post by Jake 48 on Aug 24, 2013 19:01:34 GMT -5
HMMM, fresh fodder
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2013 20:05:50 GMT -5
I took a look at the bogleheads forum. That's a very focused forum and it obviously intends to maintain that focus. They don't welcome idle chat anywhere. It's to be about investing and only investing. I'd have to assume those who join are aware of that, or become aware very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 9:32:10 GMT -5
I took a look at the bogleheads forum. That's a very focused forum and it obviously intends to maintain that focus. They don't welcome idle chat anywhere. It's to be about investing and only investing. I'd have to assume those who join are aware of that, or become aware very quickly. Anything not related to investing goes into that personal consumer issues forum and that maintains a very tight focus. If the topic is moving into chit-chat, it gets shut down. If you dispense medical advice in any way, it gets shut down. If you talk politics, it gets shut down. I have to say though, there is some appeal to a forum like that because it keeps people on track and that's better in the long-run. If the board becomes a hangout more than a resource, then it leaves the potential for flocks of people to just go elsewhere. Ideally, you want it to be a little bit of both. I see it on here all the time....there is a topic of discussion that, very quickly, just turns an off-topic inside joke section. First it was about Doxie, then Dark, and now people talk about "mean girls". I consider myself to be a regular, but even I don't even really understand what they are talking about...I'm sure newbies have no clue.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 26, 2013 9:55:03 GMT -5
That does happen, davebo, because people are going to be people. Mostly, you'll find that kind of thing in either EE or YM-Off Topic. Occasionally, we'll have a "break-out" somewhere else. However, this board isn't nearly as tight as the "bogleheads" board, and doesn't really want to be. The "newbies" learn they, too, can just be the person they are here without worrying about always sticking strictly to the subject of a thread. As long as the CoC/ToS aren't broken, I don't see that as a bad thing, necessarily. Sometimes, a thread gets to the point where a little levity, or a drift in that direction, is really needed to take the "edge" off. Communication between people is dynamic, at its best. One idea spins off another. If you keep too tight a rein, you can lose the opportunity to get outside the box and learn something really new. While I see what the "bogleheads" boards are doing, and why, that's not the direction this board was created to take. Fortunately for all of us, just as in our everyday worlds, if a particular conversation doesn't interest us, we can always wander off to see what that bunch on the other side of the "room" is talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 11:12:18 GMT -5
That does happen, davebo, because people are going to be people. Mostly, you'll find that kind of thing in either EE or YM-Off Topic. Occasionally, we'll have a "break-out" somewhere else. However, this board isn't nearly as tight as the "bogleheads" board, and doesn't really want to be. The "newbies" learn they, too, can just be the person they are here without worrying about always sticking strictly to the subject of a thread. As long as the CoC/ToS aren't broken, I don't see that as a bad thing, necessarily. Sometimes, a thread gets to the point where a little levity, or a drift in that direction, is really needed to take the "edge" off. Communication between people is dynamic, at its best. One idea spins off another. If you keep too tight a rein, you can lose the opportunity to get outside the box and learn something really new. While I see what the "bogleheads" boards are doing, and why, that's not the direction this board was created to take. Fortunately for all of us, just as in our everyday worlds, if a particular conversation doesn't interest us, we can always wander off to see what that bunch on the other side of the "room" is talking about. I don't have a problem with letting a thread run its course. For instance, if someone asks a question about how to remove stains with baking soda, it makes sense for the thread to mention other ways of removing stains outside of the normal household products. What I'm talking about is more shutting down threads (or deleting posts) when it's off-topic from the original thread. I'm not talking "off-topic" like not directly related to the original question, but where it's clearly taking it off of the original topic.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 26, 2013 11:19:49 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I see what you're talking about, davebo. We do try to keep serious topics from wandering into the "boonies". I know it irritates me when a serious subject is hijacked by what amounts to nonsense. People, however, will be people and what's serious to one person is a lark to another. What we usually try to do is gently nudge the thread back onto the topic. In some cases (especially, on very serious topics), a little levity will help to reduce the "angst value". It's a fine line, I realize. Another thing to know is we don't (can't) see every thread and follow every topic, post by post. If a serious discussion is being disrupted, we have to count on you, our posters, to use the Report function to let us know.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 26, 2013 11:35:41 GMT -5
can we change the name of the message boards to something more clearly money/finance related so it will show up on a google search? Unless you were a prior member at the MSN money boards, you wouldn't know what this is. I agree. The old MSN message boards have been shut down since late 2011 or thereabouts. I think we need to rebrand and get away from the MSN message board refugee monikor.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 26, 2013 13:22:07 GMT -5
WOW phoenix - I guess this thread should be moved to our wish list? That would be like changing the name to our family business - changing with the times I guess. Yea - I could support that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:42:15 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I see what you're talking about, davebo. We do try to keep serious topics from wandering into the "boonies". I know it irritates me when a serious subject is hijacked by what amounts to nonsense. People, however, will be people and what's serious to one person is a lark to another. What we usually try to do is gently nudge the thread back onto the topic. In some cases (especially, on very serious topics), a little levity will help to reduce the "angst value". It's a fine line, I realize. Another thing to know is we don't (can't) see every thread and follow every topic, post by post. If a serious discussion is being disrupted, we have to count on you, our posters, to use the Report function to let us know. I don't think it necessarily has to be a serious discussion. If someone is asking about a home security system and it breaks into a 10 post back/forth about some inside joke, I think those posts should be deleted personally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:43:10 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I see what you're talking about, davebo. We do try to keep serious topics from wandering into the "boonies". I know it irritates me when a serious subject is hijacked by what amounts to nonsense. People, however, will be people and what's serious to one person is a lark to another. What we usually try to do is gently nudge the thread back onto the topic. In some cases (especially, on very serious topics), a little levity will help to reduce the "angst value". It's a fine line, I realize. Another thing to know is we don't (can't) see every thread and follow every topic, post by post. If a serious discussion is being disrupted, we have to count on you, our posters, to use the Report function to let us know. I don't think it necessarily has to be a serious discussion. If someone is asking about a home security system and it breaks into a 10 post back/forth about some inside joke, I think those posts should be deleted personally. talk about strict moderating... zoinks.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 26, 2013 13:44:11 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I see what you're talking about, davebo. We do try to keep serious topics from wandering into the "boonies". I know it irritates me when a serious subject is hijacked by what amounts to nonsense. People, however, will be people and what's serious to one person is a lark to another. What we usually try to do is gently nudge the thread back onto the topic. In some cases (especially, on very serious topics), a little levity will help to reduce the "angst value". It's a fine line, I realize. Another thing to know is we don't (can't) see every thread and follow every topic, post by post. If a serious discussion is being disrupted, we have to count on you, our posters, to use the Report function to let us know. I don't think it necessarily has to be a serious discussion. If someone is asking about a home security system and it breaks into a 10 post back/forth about some inside joke, I think those posts should be deleted personally. I'd consider a discussion about a home security system to be pretty serious. When this happens, I'd suggest you contact the moderators of the forum in question and/or utilize the Report function, davebo. We can't help if we don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 14:15:17 GMT -5
I don't think it necessarily has to be a serious discussion. If someone is asking about a home security system and it breaks into a 10 post back/forth about some inside joke, I think those posts should be deleted personally. talk about strict moderating... zoinks. Not really. Strict moderating is stifling related discussion as a thread unfolds. Moderators can be pretty lenient as long as it's within the topic. Home security systems, home security weapons, importance of a landline, etc. What happens more and more is people bringing inside jokes from other threads and it creates a diversion from the original topic. So you look at a thread related to something and it's 3 pages in total, 2 of which are people bantering back/forth about some inside joke that happened elsewhere in the forum. I don't really post too many questions, but I have read a lot of threads where I thought of how annoying it would be to be the OP. They are looking for input on a specific topic and you have all these attention whores chirping it up.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 26, 2013 14:30:51 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I see what you're talking about, davebo. We do try to keep serious topics from wandering into the "boonies". I know it irritates me when a serious subject is hijacked by what amounts to nonsense. People, however, will be people and what's serious to one person is a lark to another. What we usually try to do is gently nudge the thread back onto the topic. In some cases (especially, on very serious topics), a little levity will help to reduce the "angst value". It's a fine line, I realize. Another thing to know is we don't (can't) see every thread and follow every topic, post by post. If a serious discussion is being disrupted, we have to count on you, our posters, to use the Report function to let us know. I don't think it necessarily has to be a serious discussion. If someone is asking about a home security system and it breaks into a 10 post back/forth about some inside joke, I think those posts should be deleted personally. Davebo, I agree. I also realize that I am in the minority that feels that way. I've been on these boards for years, but only recently started posting, mainly because I too dislike the cliques and the inside jokes. I read here to learn but I'm not online in the evenings and weekends so I miss a lot of the stuff that happens. But, I balance that out by reminding myself that I do learn a lot from these boards in spite of all the thread derailments and sometimes because of it. Also, I can quickly scroll past all of the comments and jokes I don't get because I'm not an insider and it's much easier to avoid here than in real life!
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 26, 2013 14:37:36 GMT -5
Ahh, I think I see what you're talking about, davebo. We do try to keep serious topics from wandering into the "boonies". I know it irritates me when a serious subject is hijacked by what amounts to nonsense. People, however, will be people and what's serious to one person is a lark to another. What we usually try to do is gently nudge the thread back onto the topic. In some cases (especially, on very serious topics), a little levity will help to reduce the "angst value". It's a fine line, I realize. Another thing to know is we don't (can't) see every thread and follow every topic, post by post. If a serious discussion is being disrupted, we have to count on you, our posters, to use the Report function to let us know. I don't think it necessarily has to be a serious discussion. If someone is asking about a home security system and it breaks into a 10 post back/forth about some inside joke, I think those posts should be deleted personally. Your thread stayed on topic! Most of us usually wait until the thread ran it's course before we derail them with our nonsense. Well, most of the time.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 26, 2013 14:40:21 GMT -5
Also, I think it's not really a matter of atracting NEW posters and more traffic to the site because if you look at the number of thread views compared to actual replies we already have a lot of members and traffic.
Like I've mentioned, I've been associated with the boards for many years but didn't start posting until recently. I think a lot of lurkers are turned off by not being an "insider" or part of a clique or they see how people like doxie were treated and don't want to get involved in that. I get that epic threads make the boards more interesting, but there are actual people behind the screen names and not everyone wants to risk being flamed just for typing something that is read the wrong way. JMHO. (I honestly started posting with the attitude: well, we'll see how long it takes before someone takes something I type the wrong way. I am the Queen of Unpopular Opinions in real life, so I have to be very careful here.)
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 26, 2013 14:47:59 GMT -5
Also, I think it's not really a matter of atracting NEW posters and more traffic to the site because if you look at the number of thread views compared to actual replies we already have a lot of members and traffic. Like I've mentioned, I've been associated with the boards for many years but didn't start posting until recently. I think a lot of lurkers are turned off by not being an "insider" or part of a clique or they see how people like doxie were treated and don't want to get involved in that. I get that epic threads make the boards more interesting, but there are actual people behind the screen names and not everyone wants to risk being flamed just for typing something that is read the wrong way. JMHO. (I honestly started posting with the attitude: well, we'll see how long it takes before someone takes something I type the wrong way. I am the Queen of Unpopular Opinions in real life, so I have to be very careful here.) I've noticed that too - the thousands of views we get compared to actual posters. I'm glad you braved it and jumped in! I agree with many of your posts and views. I'm friends with people who I have oppossing views with but still like the person. And we all were new at one point or another. Just don't let people intimidate you. There are really very few bullies here IMO and most just ignore it when it gets bad. If we all agreed all the time it would be boring and nobody would learn anything. Those posts that are off the top are hilarious if you look at it as fodder - which I think some are really meant to be. I'm glad you are here! And I really wish my new computer would get out of the shop. I don't have spell check or auto correct on this one. Sorry!
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 26, 2013 14:55:41 GMT -5
Thank you, Peace of Mind! I do appreciate that!
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Post by Otto the Orange on Aug 26, 2013 14:57:28 GMT -5
Also, I think it's not really a matter of atracting NEW posters and more traffic to the site because if you look at the number of thread views compared to actual replies we already have a lot of members and traffic. Like I've mentioned, I've been associated with the boards for many years but didn't start posting until recently. I think a lot of lurkers are turned off by not being an "insider" or part of a clique or they see how people like doxie were treated and don't want to get involved in that. I get that epic threads make the boards more interesting, but there are actual people behind the screen names and not everyone wants to risk being flamed just for typing something that is read the wrong way. JMHO. (I honestly started posting with the attitude: well, we'll see how long it takes before someone takes something I type the wrong way. I am the Queen of Unpopular Opinions in real life, so I have to be very careful here.) So you are confirming people are afraid of the mean girls?
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 26, 2013 15:01:57 GMT -5
I can neither confirm nor deny! Or maybe they want to be a mean girl, too? Gotta work your way up to that, however. Can't just jump in unknown...
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