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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 20, 2013 17:13:49 GMT -5
Two thirds of the questions are crap. Garbage in, garbage out. 'Nuff said. If the quality in on par with their misinformation survey, I'll pass. alrighty, then. i think their surveys are a load of fun. edit: i especially liked the tax question. it is astounding how little people watch their paychecks.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 21, 2013 7:06:09 GMT -5
Pulling your punches? Tell us how you really feel, happy. Sorry. I see all those dead and maimed soldiers and it just makes me lose my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 8:25:33 GMT -5
Pulling your punches? Tell us how you really feel, happy. Sorry. I see all those dead and maimed soldiers and it just makes me lose my mind. That was the reason for the daily body count on the network news throughout the war during the Bush administration. Did you notice how that daily body count report disappeared as soon as Obama was into office.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 21, 2013 8:42:30 GMT -5
Sorry. Iimpact of pictures of our troops killed and see all those dead and maimed soldiers and it just makes me lose my mind. That was the reason for the daily body count on the network news throughout the war during the Bush administration. Did you notice how that daily body count report disappeared as soon as Obama was into office. GWB may have allowed the publishing of the numbers killed. But a number does not have the same impact as a picture of an armed forces member's flag-drapped coffin being unloaded in Dover Deleware. The Bush administration prohibited the release of these pictures during the Iraq invasion knowing the pictures would influence the American public of the real humanl cost of the invasion. Media Coverage of the Iraqi War
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 21, 2013 8:46:12 GMT -5
That's an interesting point. You get the more conservative posters who think the government should not get involved in healthcare and many other things, since they can't be trusted to not turn it into a cluseterf***. Then you have the more progressive posters who are all for the nanny state but don't want government intruding in other areas because they don't trust them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 10:47:13 GMT -5
Sorry. I see all those dead and maimed soldiers and it just makes me lose my mind. That was the reason for the daily body count on the network news throughout the war during the Bush administration. Did you notice how that daily body count report disappeared as soon as Obama was into office. really? the networks covered the body count? the only coverage i remember made the war look like a video game.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 21, 2013 11:11:48 GMT -5
I recall the networks reporting the number of Americans who died that day, but no pictures of returning coffins, and this was both the Bush and Obama administrations.
I also remember that neither Bush or Obama would allow the returning caskets to be photographed, probably thinking back to the pictures of the coffins coming off the military transport planes during Vietnam, and what an impact that had on support for that war.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 11:28:09 GMT -5
I recall the networks reporting the number of Americans who died that day, but no pictures of returning coffins, and this was both the Bush and Obama administrations. i was thinking of Iraqi bodies when i made that comment. i guess that is where the disconnect came from.I also remember that neither Bush or Obama would allow the returning caskets to be photographed, probably thinking back to the pictures of the coffins coming off the military transport planes during Vietnam, and what an impact that had on support for that war. totally right. the war was sanitized for our protection, like those ass gaskets on public toilets.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 21, 2013 13:34:23 GMT -5
Happy totally agree with you Hubby and I kept saying can't people see what the idiot bush, cheney, Rumsfeld machine is doing ?? Apparently no, the repubs were all wound up in it, all gunho! I agree, send their kids and it would have never happened. Everyone kept telling me "well, the government knows a lot more than the rest of us, so they must know that there's a good reason for going to war." Not that I ever really trusted politicians much before that, but it really illustrated for me how politicians can be bought and paid for to the point they are willing to sacrifice our soldiers and bury us in debt to advance the interests of their corporate sponsers. And I am not saying this is just a Bush/ Republican thing. I don't think there is a politician out there from either party who wouldn't sell his influence. That's why we need the media to pick apart whatever claptrap the politicians are spouting, to separate the lies and half lies and small pieces of actual truth. They don't need to be a pack of cheerleaders, like they were leading up to the Iraqi war.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 14:41:07 GMT -5
Happy totally agree with you Hubby and I kept saying can't people see what the idiot bush, cheney, Rumsfeld machine is doing ?? Apparently no, the repubs were all wound up in it, all gunho! I agree, send their kids and it would have never happened. Everyone kept telling me "well, the government knows a lot more than the rest of us, so they must know that there's a good reason for going to war." i remember that, too. and it turned out that many of us knew just as much, in terms of what was actionable. scary, isn't it?
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Post by workpublic on Aug 21, 2013 15:07:15 GMT -5
sorta like benghazi?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 15:09:54 GMT -5
this is a puzzling analogy. you mean "believing the government"? sure. kind of like every war since WW2, if you want to go nuts about it. however, keep in mind that Iraq was 1,000+x as costly to us as Benghazi, in human terms.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 21, 2013 15:19:59 GMT -5
So... do you get your soldiers back if you set x = -1,000?
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Post by workpublic on Aug 21, 2013 15:20:45 GMT -5
this is a puzzling analogy. you mean "believing the government"?
no. knowing stuff that wasn't true and lying to the public, ya know like skippy, et al did.
and yes for the hillary, obama apologists consciences
however, keep in mind that Iraq was 1,000+x as costly to us as Benghazi, in human terms.
but if just one life is lost it's all equal, no?
i'm looking for some consistency in the logic.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2013 16:04:50 GMT -5
It appears that, in all likelihood, the consulate in Benghazi was attacked because it was being used by the CIA for covert operations involving weapons. To lay out in a public forum after the fact exactly what they were up to will not change that Benghazi was attacked and American lives were lost. If the Bush Administration had not lied to the American people prior to the start of the American attack on Iraq that would have changed American lives being lost.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 16:50:34 GMT -5
So... do you get your soldiers back if you set x = -1,000? x = TIMES. sheesh.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 16:51:22 GMT -5
It appears that, in all likelihood, the consulate in Benghazi was attacked because it was being used by the CIA for covert operations involving weapons. To lay out in a public forum after the fact exactly what they were up to will not change that Benghazi was attacked and American lives were lost. If the Bush Administration had not lied to the American people prior to the start of the American attack on Iraq that would have changed American lives being lost. changed = prevented
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2013 17:00:37 GMT -5
change/changed = parallel structure
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 21, 2013 17:24:04 GMT -5
So... do you get your soldiers back if you set x = -1,000? x = TIMES. sheesh. I wouldn't have said anything, DJ, but you know as well as I do how sensitive billis is to ambiguous symbol use. Remember the incident last year where he mistook one of those <3 heart emotes for "less than 3"? Do you remember the "unpleasantness" that ensued? It took us two weeks just to calm him down enough to coax him out of that EE thread to find out what was wrong. And don't get me started about that time Tony used zeroes instead of capital 'O's in his "OXOXO" parody letter to Pres. Obama. Just a little more care and attention to the bizarre sensitivities of others. That's all I'm asking.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2013 17:39:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't have said anything, DJ, but you know as well as I do how sensitive billis is to ambiguous symbol use. Remember the incident last year where he mistook one of those <3 heart emotes for "less than 3"? Do you remember the "unpleasantness" that ensued? It took us two weeks just to calm him down enough to coax him out of that EE thread to find out what was wrong. And don't get me started about that time Tony used zeroes instead of capital 'O's in his "OXOXO" parody letter to Pres. Obama. Just a little more care and attention to the bizarre sensitivities of others. That's all I'm asking. How the hell did my name get into this part of the conversation?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 21, 2013 17:45:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't have said anything, DJ, but you know as well as I do how sensitive billis is to ambiguous symbol use. Remember the incident last year where he mistook one of those <3 heart emotes for "less than 3"? Do you remember the "unpleasantness" that ensued? It took us two weeks just to calm him down enough to coax him out of that EE thread to find out what was wrong. And don't get me started about that time Tony used zeroes instead of capital 'O's in his "OXOXO" parody letter to Pres. Obama. Just a little more care and attention to the bizarre sensitivities of others. That's all I'm asking. that was a massive eyeroll, not anger, Virgil. always happy to clear things up EARLY with you.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2013 18:02:00 GMT -5
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 21, 2013 18:21:19 GMT -5
Well I don' know why I came to this thread, Thought everythin' worth sayin' d'been said, Saw that rodeo clown comin' back, So what's all this crap on Iraq? Bill to left of me, DJ to the right, Here I am, stuck in P-and-M with you. Yeah I'm stuck in P-and-M with you.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 21, 2013 19:58:21 GMT -5
Not to be picky (well, considering who I'm talking to let's be picky), aren't bill and dj both to the left of you?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 21, 2013 20:02:58 GMT -5
Is there anything to the right of Virgil?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 22, 2013 8:01:15 GMT -5
Yes I am certain there was some flimflam going on regarding what happened at benghazi. I don't think we got the whole truth of it. As Bill suggested, there probably was something else going on there that the government wishes to keep under wraps. However, what was the motivation behind the song and dance we heard about Benghazi? Hiding something that might be embarressing to our government? Compare that to declaring a war so that your buddies in the oil and weapons industry can make some enormous profits on the taxpayer dime - ignoring the fact that it would kill a shit load of Iraqi civilians and some of our own soldiers. Which do you think is the more egregious violation of the public trust?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 22, 2013 14:57:07 GMT -5
Yes I am certain there was some flimflam going on regarding what happened at benghazi. I don't think we got the whole truth of it. As Bill suggested, there probably was something else going on there that the government wishes to keep under wraps. However, what was the motivation behind the song and dance we heard about Benghazi? Hiding something that might be embarressing to our government? Compare that to declaring a war so that your buddies in the oil and weapons industry can make some enormous profits on the taxpayer dime - ignoring the fact that it would kill a shit load of Iraqi civilians and some of our own soldiers...... .....with absolutely ZERO legal or moral grounds.....
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 23, 2013 8:57:38 GMT -5
Pulling your punches? Tell us how you really feel, happy. Sorry. I see all those dead and maimed soldiers and it just makes me lose my mind. Okay, that explains some responses posted to the P&M Board.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 23, 2013 9:00:17 GMT -5
That was the reason for the daily body count on the network news throughout the war during the Bush administration. Did you notice how that daily body count report disappeared as soon as Obama was into office. really? the networks covered the body count? the only coverage i remember made the war look like a video game. I guess you never watched ABC news or their Sunday political morning shows. They read the name of soldiers lost in the war every week, with names on the screen
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 23, 2013 9:15:46 GMT -5
Is there anything to the right of Virgil? In fairness, I do not consider Virgil "to the right". Virgil happens to really zero in on an argument's "hot buttons" and able to discuss the issues in a rational manner, driving lefties to mass hysteria. The only issue he even comes close to being "to the right" is abortion issues, and even there he has the Supreme being on his side. I wish I could keep my emotions in check as well as he is able to when posting here. He is kind of like the computer Hal, in the classic movie, 2001 A Space Oddessy Unfortunately that is a bad analogy, because we know Hal had issues of his own, but darn, he carried on a good conversation And since Virgil is the computer geek here and has not made anyone from the far left disappear from the board through sleight of a few keystrokes, unlike some mods here, he cannot be that far to the right. Note: this is an observation, not a critique of moderation.
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