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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 16, 2013 8:50:21 GMT -5
I just found it absurd. Sad.
Pity the man whose life hinges on whether or not the FBI investigates angry tweets by Californian IHOP waitresses.
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Post by Opti on Aug 16, 2013 9:19:59 GMT -5
Haven't all our Presidents that have been assassinated or shot been shot by random people not agents of foreign governments? Lincoln, JFK, and Reagan.
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Post by PK Bucko on Aug 16, 2013 9:27:32 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. All presidents are mocked in this manner.
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Post by genericname on Aug 16, 2013 9:37:46 GMT -5
Coming from a place where the rodeo has been THE event of the summer for about 110 years, and rodeo is a state sanctioned sport in high school, I am sure the NAACP in Missouri and all of the bellyaching fools about this have never seen a rodeo, don't know why there are rodeo clowns in the first place, and will probably never get near a town that even thinks about having a rodeo EVER (well, except for Vegas). They are probably thinking the clown was one of the "acts" in the rodeo and the guy was doing a comedy skit. They don't realize the clown and the announcer have the job of a) protecting the rider who just got thrown off thousands of pounds of angry bull and b) distracting the audience in case the rider or the clowns end up a smushed pile of blood and guts under the angry bull's hooves. Come on guys, it's a RODEO CLOWN. And for the record, the black cowboys that rodeo are highly respected - because most of them are damn good cowboys.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2013 9:38:02 GMT -5
I thought that one had to have a way and means to carry out a death threat before it becomes a death threat.
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Post by workpublic on Aug 16, 2013 9:58:11 GMT -5
he didn't threaten anybody. he asked if the crowd would like to see obama get trampled. he was polling, not threatening. maybe they should require pollsters have a non clown ID?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:44:30 GMT -5
he didn't threaten anybody. he asked if the crowd would like to see obama get trampled. he was polling, not threatening. maybe they should require pollsters have a non clown ID? LOL! was this a statistically weighted poll, or an unweighted poll?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:47:20 GMT -5
An explanatory timeline for djAdvocate: Reply #119: You state " threatening people is not a civil right. [Pres. Bush] is a pigbastard, and should be charged with war crimes, imo- but to threaten him with bodily harm is another matter entirely. do you seriously NOT get that?" Hence, 'Do [we] seriously NOT get' your absurd theory that the diorama of a decapitated Bush constitutes a legitimate threat? Yeah, we seriously don't get it, because it's absurd. It is not a threat. Neither is a rodeo clown dressing up like Pres. Obama and taunting a bull. i think i pretty clearly pointed out why i see a problem with this. if you don't, that's fine. he is not your president, anyway, so you have no skin in the game. piss off.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:49:31 GMT -5
Here we have you clearly stating that "the mocking doesn't bother me one bit". So what does bother you then? The only other issue you've raised is #2, in Reply #119. The same absurd issue you twice dismissed as a simple difference of opinion.. you have got to be kidding. either that, or you are not even trying.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:50:24 GMT -5
Frankly, I thought Israel would have him assassinated but somebody just random is not a threat but surely ought to know better than to say something like that out loud. Thinking it is one thing but you ought to be smart enough to know that's going to red flag you. But a clown and a bull? Seriously? I'd be ashamed to have my panties in a wad over that. no you wouldn't. it is astounding what wads your panties.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:52:26 GMT -5
Coming from a place where the rodeo has been THE event of the summer for about 110 years, and rodeo is a state sanctioned sport in high school, I am sure the NAACP in Missouri and all of the bellyaching fools about this have never seen a rodeo you are assuming a lot there. i was in 4H. raised sheep and goats. spent time in the orchard pruning trees. went to the rodeo every year. i am guessing that many of those who have a problem with this come from similar backgrounds, but i could be wrong.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:54:17 GMT -5
I thought that one had to have a way and means to carry out a death threat before it becomes a death threat. you are missing the point, too. the point is that if it is acceptable to throw Obama under a bull, it is acceptable to cap his ass with an AR-15. the means are immaterial. the motivation, and the acceptance of that idea are what matters.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:57:26 GMT -5
Where is your absurd supposition of 'threat of bodily harm' in this explanation? Nowhere. Your response is perfectly reasonable. Hence the one and only thing I've been repeatedly criticizing you for since Reply #119 could have been instantly cleared up if you'd simply posted Reply #170 rather than claimed "just a difference of opinion"--twice.. it takes time, space, and energy to work up something like post #170, Virgil. i can't just come off the cuff for stuff like that. it would be nice if you were more forgiving, patient, and less taunting, but i guess that is expecting a lot. have a lovely day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 14:57:47 GMT -5
Coming from a place where the rodeo has been THE event of the summer for about 110 years, and rodeo is a state sanctioned sport in high school, I am sure the NAACP in Missouri and all of the bellyaching fools about this have never seen a rodeo you are assuming a lot there. i was in 4H. raised sheep and goats. spent time in the orchard pruning trees. went to the rodeo every year. maybe try sticking to the topic? you suck at guessing about the personal details of posters. So you're saying you're a bellyaching fool who did go to the rodeo, by answering his post ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:58:48 GMT -5
f&^king love elvis. i want to cover "Beyond Belief"..... Imperial Bedroom is one of his best albums. I love "Man out of time" saw that tour 3rd row at Forest Hills tennis stadium back in the day. what is that totally depressing song.....Long Honeymoon? jesus, what a brutal piece. Two Little Hitlers is also on that record, right?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 14:59:51 GMT -5
you are assuming a lot there. i was in 4H. raised sheep and goats. spent time in the orchard pruning trees. went to the rodeo every year. maybe try sticking to the topic? you suck at guessing about the personal details of posters. So you're saying you're a bellyaching fool who did go to the rodeo, by answering his post ? either that, or i am defending bellyaching fools everywhere. seriously, tho- who else is making my argument? even mmhmm has abandoned me!
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 16, 2013 15:03:40 GMT -5
LOL! I haven't abandoned ya, dj! I just don't take what happened as a direct threat to the president. I see it more, as I said, as a very crass and vulgar act that should have been confined to the clown's garage ... without an audience. I've got more respect for the office of president (no matter who's sitting in the chair) than to condone that kind of garbage. Had I been there, I would simply have left immediately and let elected officials know I wasn't happy and why I wasn't happy. That's what I do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 15:07:40 GMT -5
LOL! I haven't abandoned ya, dj! I just don't take what happened as a direct threat to the president. I see it more, as I said, as a very crass and vulgar act that should have been confined to the clown's garage ... without an audience. I've got more respect for the office of president (no matter who's sitting in the chair) than to condone that kind of garbage. Had I been there, I would simply have left immediately and let elected officials know I wasn't happy and why I wasn't happy. That's what I do. yeah, and for the record, i am not saying the rodeo should be carpet bombed, or the announcer should be arrested. i just think it is indicative of a more serious institutional problem than anyone else here does.
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Post by genericname on Aug 16, 2013 15:14:27 GMT -5
Coming from a place where the rodeo has been THE event of the summer for about 110 years, and rodeo is a state sanctioned sport in high school, I am sure the NAACP in Missouri and all of the bellyaching fools about this have never seen a rodeo you are assuming a lot there. i was in 4H. raised sheep and goats. spent time in the orchard pruning trees. went to the rodeo every year. maybe try sticking to the topic? you suck at guessing about the personal details of posters. I thought the topic was about people complaining about a rodeo clown making fun of Obama? Maybe you should stick with cat dander. You suck at taking things personally when they weren't directed at you. I was referring to the media and the NAACP, but if you want to be lumped in with a very broad generalization, go right ahead. I don't pretend to have any knowledge of any specific poster's background on this board. For the record: I don't get into personal name calling in a debate board. If I refer to a group of people, I don't consider that group to contain anyone on this board specifically. If you happen to identify with that group of people, don't take it as an insult to you personally. People disagree all the time, no big.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2013 15:23:18 GMT -5
you are assuming a lot there. i was in 4H. raised sheep and goats. spent time in the orchard pruning trees. went to the rodeo every year. maybe try sticking to the topic? you suck at guessing about the personal details of posters. I thought the topic was about people complaining about a rodeo clown making fun of Obama? oh, you weren't talking about posters (the OP wasn't)? if so, my mistake.Maybe you should stick with cat dander. i tried that. but unfortunately, Virgil would not let it go.You suck at taking things personally when they weren't directed at you. I was referring to the media and the NAACP, but if you want to be lumped in with a very broad generalization, go right ahead. . it appears i misread your post. please accept my apology.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 16, 2013 15:29:44 GMT -5
LOL! I haven't abandoned ya, dj! I just don't take what happened as a direct threat to the president. I see it more, as I said, as a very crass and vulgar act that should have been confined to the clown's garage ... without an audience. I've got more respect for the office of president (no matter who's sitting in the chair) than to condone that kind of garbage. Had I been there, I would simply have left immediately and let elected officials know I wasn't happy and why I wasn't happy. That's what I do. yeah, and for the record, i am not saying the rodeo should be carpet bombed, or the announcer should be arrested. i just think it is indicative of a more serious institutional problem than anyone else here does. Not really, dj. I think it's a pretty serious institutional problem, myself, for the reason I gave. I didn't like it when people made crass, vulgar, crude remarks about President Bush, and I don't like it when people do that sort of thing to President Obama. The operative word, for me, is PRESIDENT. These people, whatever we may think of them, are the leaders of our country at the time they're in office. We owe that office respect, and I feel we are responsible for treating the office with dignity no matter who occupies it. I can disagree all I like. It's not necessary to get nasty about it, as I see it. There's entirely too much of that across the board. Disagree, but do so with some semblance of integrity!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 15:39:03 GMT -5
Rodeo clowns are only the tip of the iceberg. Far worse... are the internet clowns. Especially the ones who channel Rush Limbaugh and parrot his every utterance.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 16, 2013 15:41:27 GMT -5
This thread was one of those black swan events where mmhmm and I agreed. A 'like' for non sequitur of the day. Although I realize that your loathing of our resident Rush fan could power a small city, the incredible reach of these segues never ceases to amaze me, sir. And although Paul hasn't actually commented in this thread, he's no doubt flattered by your devotion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 16:03:58 GMT -5
Dude, you don't have to flaunt your bromance.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 16, 2013 16:14:08 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 16, 2013 16:16:06 GMT -5
This thread was one of those black swan events where mmhmm and I agreed. A 'like' for non sequitur of the day. Although I realize that your loathing of our resident Rush fan could power a small city, the incredible reach of these segues never ceases to amaze me, sir. And although Paul hasn't actually commented in this thread, he's no doubt flattered by your devotion. *cackle* You and I agree rather often, Virgil, in principle. We tend to differ more on details, and the tendency to endeavor to place blame. Everything bad that happens doesn't have to be someone's fault. Sometimes, bad stuff just up and happens.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 16, 2013 17:10:36 GMT -5
I remember in the 90's, there was a pet shop near me that sold catnip enhanced Bill Clinton and Bill Gates dolls. I wonder if anyone here is going to try and make the case that the pet shop owner or the people buying them for their cats wanted either of the Bills to be killed?
By the way, my cat loved his Bill doll.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 17, 2013 13:14:25 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. All presidents are mocked in this manner. I found this to be a pathetic and disgusting display of disrespect. By the left. Of the Constitutional right to freedom of expression. This is the kind of thing you see in North Korea or the old USSR. These are the same people that find nothing wrong with taking tax dollars and bestowing them on "artists" whose work consists of a bull whip hanging out of a man's ass, or a crucifix in a jar of urine- so don't give me the 'state funded' or state sponsored event line. It was hilarious.
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Post by Opti on Aug 17, 2013 13:45:11 GMT -5
If all Presidents are mocked in the manner of a clown basically asking the crowd whether the clown representing a President chould be trampled, I'm a bit concerned. While I don't think the rodeo clowns are going to go after the President personally, if regular attendance gets one these suggestions regularly it isn't good. Its one thing to use implication like "we'd better not let the bull see POTUS as he's not happy about the changes in the Patriot Act" or Obamacare, TARP, whatever. Its another entirely to me to say, wanna see Obama/Bush/Clinton/Reagan get trampled?
By now I'd like someone would have found threats like these towards other Presidents on video so us non regular attendees of rodeos can see them.
PBP, I don't ever remember discussing the funding of artists by the government as a topic on P&M. We have discussed whether controversial art should remain displayed in a musuem or not. Two different topics. I have not commented on the former so its not possible to know my opinion. In the latter case, some art is meant to shock. Some instances I support being displayed and some I don't.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2013 17:20:56 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. All presidents are mocked in this manner. I found this to be a pathetic and disgusting display of disrespect. By the left. Of the Constitutional right to freedom of expression. This is the kind of thing you see in North Korea or the old USSR. These are the same people that find nothing wrong with taking tax dollars and bestowing them on "artists" whose work consists of a bull whip hanging out of a man's ass, or a crucifix in a jar of urine- so don't give me the 'state funded' or state sponsored event line. It was hilarious. You just proved the Left is all for Freedom of Expression.
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