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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2011 12:45:39 GMT -5
the South Dakota state legislature has started listening to discussions with House Bill HB1171 about legalizing the murder of abortion providers. thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 12:49:20 GMT -5
I wonder if it would be considered justified homicide to kill a woman who was on birth control pills....
I doubt this bill will pass, but who knows.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2011 12:52:50 GMT -5
I had that thought, too. this is yet another attempt down a very slippery slope.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Feb 15, 2011 12:55:01 GMT -5
I had that thought, too. this is yet another attempt down a very slippery slope. I could just see people standing outside the pharmacy ready to shoot any woman that walks out with a morning after pill. What a wast of time. It makes much more sense to try and outlaw abortion then to try and pass a law like this.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2011 13:10:21 GMT -5
I like this part in the bill-I have never heard of the term 'hoghoused':
"This bill has been extensively amended (hoghoused) and may no longer be consistent with the original intention of the sponsor."
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2011 14:23:51 GMT -5
Yeah...you're overreacting. 22-16-34. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is.
Section 2. That § 22-16-35 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-35. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person, if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished. " An abortion is an elective procedure by the pregnant woman...there is no "resistance to an attempt to commit murder". And, since an abortion is legal so there is nothing to be "lawfully defended". Abortion also is not a felony...therefore no design to commit felony. I think you're reading too much into the bill.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2011 14:29:52 GMT -5
floridayankee, I don't think I'm alone in saying I could see someone like John Salvi citing a law based on this bill in his defense of killing a doctor who provides abortions. sorry, I don't think I'm overreacting.
it goes back to what I've said in many threads on here already - why so much time and effort in protecting what may potentially become a person, while ignoring - and now possibly endangering - people that are already here?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 14:32:22 GMT -5
the South Dakota state legislature has started listening to discussions with House Bill HB1171 about legalizing the murder of abortion providers. thoughts? Of course won't be passed, even discussed in polite society must mean those South Dakotians today have none of the stamina of their fore bearers in lasting through those terrible winters they seem to experience ...looking around for stupidity to discuss and waste time on to get through them it seems..bunch of pussies to me.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2011 15:21:53 GMT -5
floridayankee, I don't think I'm alone in saying I could see someone like John Salvi citing a law based on this bill in his defense of killing a doctor who provides abortions. True...anything is possible. Look at the way the radicals on the left are mauling the original intent of the general welfare and interstate commerce clauses to push their progressive agenda. This law is already on the SD law books 22-16-34. Justifiable homicide--Resisting attempted murder--Resisting felony on person or in dwelling house. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is.
22-16-35. Justifiable homicide--Defense of person--Defense of other persons in household. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished. They are modifying the law also make it legal to protect one's unborn child with lethal force in self defense....not to legalize the murder of abortion providers. One can site any law they want for committing murder. Whether it flies in court is a whole different story. We recently had a woman found guilty of murdering her roommate despite FL's "Stand Your Ground" laws.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 15, 2011 15:26:32 GMT -5
The less toxic route would be to just ban abortion except for serious medical reasons or rape or incest. I talked to a doctor and he said that many of them are women who got careless and did not want a child messing up their lives and can well afford the procedure. He will not do abortions for there can be long term problems and sociological issues involved.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 15, 2011 15:28:55 GMT -5
We might have to open up an agency to investigate all miscarriages for possible foul play.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 15, 2011 15:35:25 GMT -5
ugonow: there was at one a pill for early term abortions but I do not know if it is still on the market. It was a proscription item.
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Post by joebanker on Feb 15, 2011 15:38:23 GMT -5
They need to forget trying to legalize murdering doctors and instead concentrate on outlawing abortion.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 15, 2011 15:41:46 GMT -5
There were plenty of ways long before those.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 15, 2011 15:43:12 GMT -5
And if killing your unborn is made a crime,we will have to make sure all miscarraiges were no fault of the mother.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 16:55:19 GMT -5
The less toxic route would be to just ban abortion except for serious medical reasons or rape or incest. I talked to a doctor and he said that many of them are women who got careless and did not want a child messing up their lives and can well afford the procedure. He will not do abortions for there can be long term problems and sociological issues involved. Some are I am sure, others are and are not looking at it as a birth control solution, just do not want to raise the child, carry for 9 months and give up for adoption, and don't feel a fertilized egg in the beginning of a pregnancy is a human being. If not done legally, then they will have it done illegally as back in the day, how many. Who knows. As far as the Doctor who won't , his right, as is the right of those who feel differently. Womans choice, her body, final choice hers. All the sex education, schools too , all the way through , adjusted for the age, parents don't want that, study hall for their kids when subject is discussed, prophylactics availability, counseling of alternatives , giving up a child, not the sonar forced on, is fine by me, final call...the womans and no, not late term, go that long, sorry, finish it out.
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Post by marjar on Feb 15, 2011 17:06:22 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 15, 2011 17:46:38 GMT -5
the South Dakota state legislature has started listening to discussions with House Bill HB1171 about legalizing the murder of abortion providers. thoughts? My thoughts? C'mon. This bill obviously wasn't intended to legalize the killing of abortionists as the law doesn't define abortion as murder, but a medical procedure. Any number of us disagree with this interpretation, but there it is. Anyone who would rationalize that this bill "legalizes" the killing of abortionists, would rationalize that murder anyway.
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