Hoodie culture

[techguy]

Jul 25, 2013 12:54:02 GMT -5 greeniis10 said:

I suppose I could just look this up myself, but did Trayvon have his hood on his hoodie up when he was in the convenience store buying his snacks?  What did the employee(s) say about him afterward?  Did they feel threatened by him or was he just a kid in a hoodie on a rainy night?  I'm not trying to stir up any controversy, I'm just interested as I haven't heard those details.

But here's the thing, the issue wasn't between Trayvon and the store, it was between Trayvon and George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman felt that Trayvon was acting suspicious and decided to follow him.  And Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon attacked him first and thus he had to fire his shot to protect himself.

Now whether or not the hoodie made Trayvon look suspicious in the eyes of Zimmerman, we would never know.  Only Zimmerman knows why he felt that Trayvon looked suspicious.  It could be a combo of things.

[spartan7886]

Jul 25, 2013 12:54:02 GMT -5 greeniis10 said:

I suppose I could just look this up myself, but did Trayvon have his hood on his hoodie up when he was in the convenience store buying his snacks?  What did the employee(s) say about him afterward?  Did they feel threatened by him or was he just a kid in a hoodie on a rainy night?  I'm not trying to stir up any controversy, I'm just interested as I haven't heard those details.

Surveillance picture shows the hood up. Haven't heard any more detail than that.

[Angel!]

Jul 25, 2013 13:07:37 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Gang members and criminals wear hoodies to help conceal their features when they commit crimes.  Britain, Australia, and a few other countries even use the term "hoodie" as a noun to describe the (usually) juvenile troublemakers that wear the hooded garments.  And in those countries, they have even banned the hoodie from being worn in stores because the kids wearing them cause such trouble.

Oh, but heaven forbid people actually read up on this stuff before posting comments.  I wear hoodie jackets as well...but I also understand that some people use the concealing feature of the hoodie to commit crimes. 

Of course they do - or sunglasses and a baseball cap, whatever conceals features.  The point others are making is that basically everyone wears them, so there is no "hoodie culture".  Sure criminals may wear them, but so do soccer moms, young children, and even Bill Belichick.

[Deleted]

Jul 25, 2013 11:45:32 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

do snuggies count?

No, they are an offshoot branch of the Hoodies and are softer and more huggable.

[swamp]

Jul 25, 2013 13:21:20 GMT -5 @joey said:

Jul 25, 2013 11:45:32 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

do snuggies count?

No, they are an offshoot branch of the Hoodies and are softer and more huggable.

I don't think I could be scared of a guy in a snuggie.  Even if he pulled a gun, I probably couldn't stop giggling,

[greeniis10]

Jul 25, 2013 13:14:54 GMT -5 spartan7886 said:

Jul 25, 2013 12:54:02 GMT -5 greeniis10 said:

I suppose I could just look this up myself, but did Trayvon have his hood on his hoodie up when he was in the convenience store buying his snacks?  What did the employee(s) say about him afterward?  Did they feel threatened by him or was he just a kid in a hoodie on a rainy night?  I'm not trying to stir up any controversy, I'm just interested as I haven't heard those details.

Surveillance picture shows the hood up. Haven't heard any more detail than that.

Thank you!

[greeniis10]

Jul 25, 2013 13:14:12 GMT -5 techguy said:

Jul 25, 2013 12:54:02 GMT -5 greeniis10 said:

I suppose I could just look this up myself, but did Trayvon have his hood on his hoodie up when he was in the convenience store buying his snacks?  What did the employee(s) say about him afterward?  Did they feel threatened by him or was he just a kid in a hoodie on a rainy night?  I'm not trying to stir up any controversy, I'm just interested as I haven't heard those details.

But here's the thing, the issue wasn't between Trayvon and the store, it was between Trayvon and George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman felt that Trayvon was acting suspicious and decided to follow him.  And Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon attacked him first and thus he had to fire his shot to protect himself.

Now whether or not the hoodie made Trayvon look suspicious in the eyes of Zimmerman, we would never know.  Only Zimmerman knows why he felt that Trayvon looked suspicious.  It could be a combo of things.

Oh, definitely - I agree with you!  That was just something I was curious about.  Thank you for the response!

[Sum Dum Gai]

Surveillance picture shows the hood up. Haven't heard any more detail than that.

Which makes sense since he had to walk through the rain to get there.  Most people who walk in the rain cover their head.

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Jul 25, 2013 13:21:20 GMT -5 @joey said:

Jul 25, 2013 11:45:32 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

do snuggies count?

No, they are an offshoot branch of the Hoodies and are softer and more huggable.

so wearing a snuggie keeps me safe from people thinking I might look auspicious, and thereby I am less likely to get shot?

also it makes hot chicks more likely to hug me?

win-win

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Jul 25, 2013 13:21:20 GMT -5 @joey said:

Jul 25, 2013 11:45:32 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

do snuggies count?

No, they are an offshoot branch of the Hoodies and are softer and more huggable.

so wearing a snuggie keeps me safe from people thinking I might look auspicious, and thereby I am less likely to get shot?

also it makes hot chicks more likely to hug me?

win-win

[jkapp]

Jul 25, 2013 13:15:39 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Jul 25, 2013 13:07:37 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Gang members and criminals wear hoodies to help conceal their features when they commit crimes.  Britain, Australia, and a few other countries even use the term "hoodie" as a noun to describe the (usually) juvenile troublemakers that wear the hooded garments.  And in those countries, they have even banned the hoodie from being worn in stores because the kids wearing them cause such trouble.

Oh, but heaven forbid people actually read up on this stuff before posting comments.  I wear hoodie jackets as well...but I also understand that some people use the concealing feature of the hoodie to commit crimes. 

Of course they do - or sunglasses and a baseball cap, whatever conceals features.  The point others are making is that basically everyone wears them, so there is no "hoodie culture".  Sure criminals may wear them, but so do soccer moms, young children, and even Bill Belichick.

Its not just for the crimes, though, is what I'm saying. The hoodie is part of some gangs' culture, not just as outerwear. So much so, that in come countries, they've even named these gangmembers by what they wear: Hoodies wearing hoodies. So it is a cultural-ish trait, at least with certain gang elements of society. Not everyone who wears hoodies are part of that culture, obviously, but they are a prevalent part of certain gang cultures.

[Deleted]

Anything and everything can be a part of certain gang cultures.  We have a yearly inservice on this.  Take a pencil, for example.  It can be used by gang members to signal that they are members if they all decide to wear it behind a particular ear. 

So beware the pencil culture! 

[Opti]

Amazing. Given how popular hoodies are for young girls its hard for me to see them as a gang thing. Like southern said, I remember when some article brought it to my attention that some gangs were shaving parts of their eyebrows as gang signs. Kinda bummed me out a bit because it seemed like something cool and harmless to try if it had just been a current fad like patterns in the hair, tats, etc.

[muttleynfelix]

Not everyone who wears hoodies are part of that culture, obviously, but they are a prevalent part of certain gang cultures.

The vast majority of the United States have worn hoodies at some point in time.  So, I would say the majority of people who wear hoodies are not part of that "culture".  So saying there is a "hoodie" culture is ridiculous.  Now if we are talking about a saggy pants culture, then maybe we are getting somewhere.   

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Since we seem to be getting there I want to be the first to say that "Obama did it" (& Bush didn't).

[Jaguar]

Jul 24, 2013 13:56:00 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

I wear my pink Hello Kitty hoodie all of the time to show that I am a proud member of hoodie culture.

Oh you must look so darling.

<< goes over to the deal breakers thread >>

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Jul 25, 2013 13:50:07 GMT -5 @robbase2012 said:

Jul 25, 2013 13:21:20 GMT -5 @joey said:

No, they are an offshoot branch of the Hoodies and are softer and more huggable.

so wearing a snuggie keeps me safe from people thinking I might look auspicious, and thereby I am less likely to get shot?

also it makes hot chicks more likely to hug me?

win-win

Yes! Chicks dig the snuggie, the added bonus of not being considered a threat to a man with a gun is great as well.

[Deleted]

Jul 25, 2013 13:15:39 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Jul 25, 2013 13:07:37 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Gang members and criminals wear hoodies to help conceal their features when they commit crimes.  Britain, Australia, and a few other countries even use the term "hoodie" as a noun to describe the (usually) juvenile troublemakers that wear the hooded garments.  And in those countries, they have even banned the hoodie from being worn in stores because the kids wearing them cause such trouble.

Oh, but heaven forbid people actually read up on this stuff before posting comments.  I wear hoodie jackets as well...but I also understand that some people use the concealing feature of the hoodie to commit crimes. 

Of course they do - or sunglasses and a baseball cap, whatever conceals features.  The point others are making is that basically everyone wears them, so there is no "hoodie culture".  Sure criminals may wear them, but so do soccer moms, young children, and even Bill Belichick.

I really shouldn't even address this again but here goes. I "asked" the question if wearing a hoodie where they were at meant something. Simple question & I even gave an example of where I was stationed once & the wearing of the color "red" & it being a gang related color & you wearing it could get you shot by a rival gang (& I restated that on this thread). So then as this is discussed I find that because wearing a hoodie means nothing where you live then it JUST ISN'T POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS ANY CHANCE THAT IT MEANS SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE. Get a clue people, different areas of the country are......(wait for it)...........different. An example off the top of my head is that I've lived a lot of places in this country & overseas & in only one of them was I told that I shouldn't wear red (because locally it was a gang color).

Now we didn't get an answer to my question (does wearing a hoodie in that area mean something) because I guess nobody knows. So wearing a hoodie may or may not have meant something there. Oh well, it was just a question.  

[Deleted]

Thinking about it I'll make my statement easy to understand. If you want to proclaim that wearing a hoodie in that area means nothing just say "I live a block from there & everyone wears hoodies & they mean nothing". I'd much rather read a lie than to keep reading "It means nothing where I live so it doesn't mean anything there (even though I have no clue if it does or doesn't)".

[Virgil Showlion]

"Hoodie culture" refers more to





As an interesting aside: the UK had looked at a ban on hoodies, precisely because they're the means of choice for criminals to conceal their identities.

[Angel!]

Jul 26, 2013 11:22:27 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Jul 25, 2013 13:15:39 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Of course they do - or sunglasses and a baseball cap, whatever conceals features.  The point others are making is that basically everyone wears them, so there is no "hoodie culture".  Sure criminals may wear them, but so do soccer moms, young children, and even Bill Belichick.

I really shouldn't even address this again but here goes. I "asked" the question if wearing a hoodie where they were at meant something. Simple question & I even gave an example of where I was stationed once & the wearing of the color "red" & it being a gang related color & you wearing it could get you shot by a rival gang (& I restated that on this thread). So then as this is discussed I find that because wearing a hoodie means nothing where you live then it JUST ISN'T POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS ANY CHANCE THAT IT MEANS SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE. Get a clue people, different areas of the country are......(wait for it)...........different. An example off the top of my head is that I've lived a lot of places in this country & overseas & in only one of them was I told that I shouldn't wear red (because locally it was a gang color).

Now we didn't get an answer to my question (does wearing a hoodie in that area mean something) because I guess nobody knows. So wearing a hoodie may or may not have meant something there. Oh well, it was just a question.  

To my knowledge a hoodie means nothing anywhere.  Maybe some gang somewhere wears them all as part of their specific gang. But, there is no hoodie culture anymore than there is a red culture simply because in some locals red is associated with the bloods.

[Angel!]

Jul 26, 2013 11:43:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

"Hoodie culture" refers more to





As an interesting aside: the UK had looked at a ban on hoodies, precisely because they're the means of choice for criminals to conceal their identities.

Ok, now I am confused on what we are going to call that "hoodie culture".   With the exception of the middle picture, none of those are hoodies, so I certainly wouldn't call any of that "hoodie culture".  

Are we now calling all jackets "hoodies"?  In which case how can their be a hoodie culture?  People literally everywhere where it gets cold wear "hoodies" if we are going to define it as anything with a hood.  Hooded jackets are even more common than hoodies themselves. Or is it only when a certain type of person wears a hood (regardless if it is actually a hoodie) it is "hoodie culture"? 

And FWIW, I seriously doubt an entire country looked at banning an item of clothing.  I am guessing some stores started banning them for security reasons in the UK.  But not a whole fucking country - how would one even go about enforcing such a ridiculous rule? 

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Hoodie culture - you know it when you see it..

[raeoflyte]

Jul 26, 2013 11:31:08 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Thinking about it I'll make my statement easy to understand. If you want to proclaim that wearing a hoodie in that area means nothing just say "I live a block from there & everyone wears hoodies & they mean nothing". I'd much rather read a lie than to keep reading "It means nothing where I live so it doesn't mean anything there (even though I have no clue if it does or doesn't)".

If hoodies were an absolute gang symbol in that area, then it would have been reported that way, not a vague "hoodie culture" reference.

I guess since your in Texas you really might not be familiar with hoodies? But even my parents in their mid 60's wear them.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 26, 2013 12:07:43 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Jul 26, 2013 11:43:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

"Hoodie culture" refers more to





As an interesting aside: the UK had looked at a ban on hoodies, precisely because they're the means of choice for criminals to conceal their identities.

Ok, now I am confused on what we are going to call that "hoodie culture".   With the exception of the middle picture, none of those are hoodies, so I certainly wouldn't call any of that "hoodie culture".  

Are we now calling all jackets "hoodies"?  In which case how can their be a hoodie culture?  People literally everywhere where it gets cold wear "hoodies" if we are going to define it as anything with a hood.  Hooded jackets are even more common than hoodies themselves. Or is it only when a certain type of person wears a hood (regardless if it is actually a hoodie) it is "hoodie culture"? 

And FWIW, I seriously doubt an entire country looked at banning an item of clothing.  I am guessing some stores started banning them for security reasons in the UK.  But not a whole fucking country - how would one even go about enforcing such a ridiculous rule? 

Ask France. They went ahead and did it.

With the exception of the middle picture, none of those are hoodies, so I certainly wouldn't call any of that "hoodie culture".

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether it's a hooded jacket or a sweatshirt or some other item of clothing. (Technically, not even hooded sweatshirts are hoodies. Hoodies need to have a kangaroo pocket in the front.) The "culture" is the attitude of lower class rebelliousness associated with a particular demographic whose dress prominently features hooded shirts. As one satirist writes on urbandictionary.com:

"hoodie (n.) Necessary covering for drug dealers, hookups, potheads, and drummers. Ones without zippers are preferred, althrough a small Baretta pistol will satisfy the conundrum of what to carry with a zippered hoodie. A hoodie must be owned and worn if you own and drive any car manufactured before the year of 1977. They must be well-worn and loved, washed with extra-strong detergant only once a year, unless extreme soiling occurs. They are the most coveted piece of clothing, admired by girlfriends and ex-girlfriends alike."

[muttleynfelix]

Jul 26, 2013 11:31:08 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Thinking about it I'll make my statement easy to understand. If you want to proclaim that wearing a hoodie in that area means nothing just say "I live a block from there & everyone wears hoodies & they mean nothing". I'd much rather read a lie than to keep reading "It means nothing where I live so it doesn't mean anything there (even though I have no clue if it does or doesn't)".

My niece grew up 2 towns north of Sanford (is that close enough for you?).  As far as I know (and I'll be sure to ask her the next time I talk to her), a hoodie means nothing there. Given that the incident was in a gated community, I highly doubt your average gang member lived there. 

[muttleynfelix]

I needed a hoodie today. I needed to go to the bank it is just a block away. I figured it isn't raining too hard, I'll just walk. Yeah, it was raining harder than I expected. I got soaked.    Damn soccer mom's wearing hoodies.

[Angel!]

Jul 26, 2013 14:02:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Ask France. They went ahead and did it.

Yep, proof that minorities still often have their right revoked by the majority. I don't see that happening with hoodies though - too popular with the majority to ban.

[Deleted]

To my knowledge a hoodie means nothing anywhere. Maybe some gang somewhere wears them all as part of their specific gang. But, there is no hoodie culture anymore than there is a red culture simply because in some locals red is associated with the bloods.

Mine either Angel but I was just asking. Also I did coin the phrase "Hoodie culture" nor have I used it.

My niece grew up 2 towns north of Sanford (is that close enough for you?). As far as I know (and I'll be sure to ask her the next time I talk to her), a hoodie means nothing there. Given that the incident was in a gated community, I highly doubt your average gang member lived there.

Muttleynfelix yes that's sure close enough to know but the time frame could be wrong (depending on how old your niece is) but please ask her because she would probably know better than we would. As for gated communities, well that may or may not mean anything. I've seen a few & depending on the provided security, who knows. A while back there was a Pizza delivery guy that was ripping off a gated community because he delivered there & they hadn't changed the codes in years. Without a security guard (actually at least 2 of them) gated communities don't mean much in the way of security.

[ZaireinHD]

I told GF I was thinking of going into a gas station store with my hoodie over my head at night and walk straight to the juice/ soda section. she begged not to, don't play around like that! this way years before the Trayvon thing!