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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 22:09:00 GMT -5
"Clearly, Sarah Palin is a viable- even probable- candidate. Otherwise, why spend the time and energy on her that the left does?"
For the same reason we feel inclined to click on the peopleofwalmart links when people post them...
Actually, i think they want to convince people she's a probable NOMINEE... she is not a viable candidate, but hey, if we get enough loonies to nominate her... easier road going forward...
or as someone said, splits the emotion/vote...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 16, 2011 22:31:13 GMT -5
or as someone said, splits the emotion/vote...
You just don't get it do you. It does not matter who gets in or what they do when they get in. The numbers don't add up - too many depend on entitlements and there simply is not enough (real) money to go around. About 35 cents of every dollar is spent on debt service. The debt ceiling will need to be raised this spring. Who in their right minds would buy more of your precarious securities? The only option is the printing machine. Print and pray.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 17, 2011 0:17:15 GMT -5
Why, you're nothing more than a [glow=red,2,300]Demtroll[/glow], just trolling, just posting idiocy... What's wrong? That combination touch a nerve? Just an FYI, once you throw out the same ol' insults, I'll just take that as a sign of you folding. Well, you never to seem to have a point other than partisian drum beating to the tune of empty rhetoric and insults, but I'm guessing that's the most "in the game" you'll ever get and I'll happily collect those chips. Maybe if you turned off all the lights and put a lit flashlight under your chin, you'd be a teensy bit menacing. So done better by other trolls hundreds of times before, so cliche, so insomnia curing, so
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Post by henryclay on Feb 17, 2011 2:09:13 GMT -5
"........I fully understand the military justice system. He "plea bargained" down to a "misdemeanor" and took retirement instead of facing a court martial. Smart man. ....."
Smart man, huh? Let's see about that? My background search found that Allen West's support letters overloaded the mail delivery sytem, along with 75 sitting congressional signatures that were telling the Army to back off. One was from the Chairman of the Armed Services Appropriations Committee to the Secretary of the Army. It was during the much advertised, (going in), of the Haditha massacre court matrials of the 8 Marines and one Navy Corpsman. Remember that one? It was in all the newspapers and all over the TV about how a Marine patrol used a "sniper shot at us" incident and turned it into a rampage that left several Iraqis dead and a house ransacked.
Yeah, , , maybe something like that seems to be trying to resurface in the fog, but it's all a bit hazy, so what about it? ........... The what about it is that after all the "cold blooded killers" tags and TV sound bites by people like John Murtha and Code Pink, the trials all, , , every one of them , , came up with either the charges dropped or findings of not guilty.
It was the Army who made the smart move, The new military caved to the anti war megaphones and politicians when they charged Colonel West in the first place, and not being able to get a clear road to ruining the man they caved to the other political soundbites and saved face when they settled for a quiet fine and retirement for him.
And with the five years of war since then we have never heard of another murder charge or mistreatment of prisoners. Is that because there have not been any? It's the same war, , , with the same participants. . . . . Have they all become model Code Pink cardboard soldiers and Marines, or has the military learned that you can't apply Walmart security guard tactics to combat against a capable and dedicated guerilla style war situation.
Go, Allen West!!! You are on solid footing.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 8:00:20 GMT -5
In testimony at an Article 32 hearing -- the military's version of a grand jury or preliminary hearing -- West said the policeman, Yahya Jhrodi Hamoody, was not cooperating with interrogators, so he watched four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion beat the detainee on the head and body.
West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. ...
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"I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers," West testified ...
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Prosecutor Capt. Magdalena Pezytulska said West should be tried for assault and for communicating a threat. "This is a case about a man who lost his temper," she argued. "There are consequences for [West's] actions."
When West testified that he had "no malice toward Hamoody" and that he "just wanted information," Pezytulska presented a document of West's typed statement following the August incident. She asked him to read his own written words to the court: "In my anger, I couldn't remember how many shots were fired." www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/12/sprj.nirq.west.ruling/index.html The man lost his cool. As the prosecutor said, "There are consequences..."
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Post by henryclay on Feb 17, 2011 8:43:11 GMT -5
Yes, that too. It would be appropriate to say something smart alecky about here regarding the likelihood that West lost more cool under the pressure of interrogations by his own side than he ever lost in, or over, a firefight with enemy insurgents.
Appropriate, , , , but not helpful. Instead, it "might", (doubtful about that too), be helpful to know how many groups of warriors has anybody on this board been responsible to counsel with about how to avoid loosing your cool when you're being shot at, or dealing with an intransigent individual who's goal is to avoid the subject of discussion and taunt you under the guise that, no matter how heinous their acts have been, or how many dead sheep they have booby trapped, as individual detainees they are protected as to their treatment by some arbitrary Walmart security guard restrictions.
I would suspect that no one here has had that responsibility. That's what I would suspect, , , , but of course, in the case of bills I could be wrong.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 17, 2011 8:50:36 GMT -5
By mentioning race, you just did. Oh, and show where we have. "Playing the race card" insinuates someone is a racist. The fact that you believe noting that nobody on the right is calling anybody racist for disagreeing with rep West's political standings, somehow equates to calling you racist simply highlights how out of touch with reality some on the left have become. Keep trying to twist...nobody except other liberals are buying the liberal "logic" any more. Which means what? You're going to call me a democrat? A republican? This will somehow change the fact I'm a registered independent? <yawn> I'll be sure to put "caring what mkitty thinks about my political affiliation" on my bucket list.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 9:00:38 GMT -5
Yes, that too. It would be appropriate to say something smart alecky about here regarding the likelihood that West lost more cool under the pressure of interrogations by his own side than he ever lost in, or over, a firefight with enemy insurgents. Appropriate, , , , but not helpful. Instead, it "might", (doubtful about that too), be helpful to know how many groups of warriors has anybody on this board been responsible to counsel with about how to avoid loosing your cool when you're being shot at, or dealing with an intransigent individual who's goal is to avoid the subject of discussion and taunt you under the guise that, no matter how heinous their acts have been, or how many dead sheep they have booby trapped, as individual detainees they are protected as to their treatment by some arbitrary Walmart security guard restrictions. I would suspect that no one here has had that responsibility. That's what I would suspect, , , , but of course, in the case of bills I could be wrong. Keep in mind we are not talking about a 1st or 2nd Lieutenant; nor a Captain or Major. Nor are we talking about an individual with 6 months or a year of service; nor five or ten years. We are discussing a Lieutenant Colonel with over twenty years of service. He is human. He lost his cool. There was a consequence. I have no problem with the man being one of 435 if the people of his district in Florida wish to have him represent them. If the people of Florida select him to be one of 100, so be it. A person in either of those positions can not do any major damage if they lose their cool. I would be very concerned if this man's star rose higher than that.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 17, 2011 12:05:04 GMT -5
#128.........
Said like a real sheltered individual who has wasted too many hours and days on Hollywood heroes, but has never heard gunfire.
But why ruin such an uninformed essay with reference to West being human? Hollywood heroes are not human. They are Hollywood hero's, after all. Only real people are human and react to deadly threats with human emotions. West has demonstrated it for us.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 17, 2011 13:37:08 GMT -5
Playing the race card is also bringing up race. How 'bout next time letting libs actually bring up race instead of complaining they're going to? You know, argue what was said, not what maybe will be said?
The fact that you have to resort to a strawman "you believe ..." means you lost the argument, which was so convoluted I really can't make sense of it let alone believe it. I can say with full authority that you're out of touch in what I believe; unless of course, you can find a bigger authority on mkitty out there. Don't worry, you're not the only Conservative who's out of touch in what liberals think and uses the old "I setz them up, then I knockz them down" routine in arguing.
No an IINO (Independent in name only). You know people who say they are, but somehow always fall on one side or the other? Somehow this phenomenon didn't exist until about 2008, and now there's scads of "I hatez everything about liberals and if Republicans do something bad, don't look at me, I'm an independent." Sort of like only being a fan of a team when they win, but if they lose, "who are those guys?"
So hug that independent registration receipt real hard and don't let go. It's your ticket to a front row fair-weather fandom seat at the Political Expediency Bowl.
If you're going walk and talk like a duck, I'm going to treat you like a duck; I'm talking behavior (active), not affiliation (passive).
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 17, 2011 13:38:32 GMT -5
I wish they used the same logic when handing out Nobel Peace Prizes...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 14:32:46 GMT -5
I would trust a man with 20 years military experience to handle our country and keep us safe in these unsafe times WAY more than some softie lawyer that goes from social issue group to social issue group promising them the world....... You say he lacks discipline?? Lacks a cool head??? After 20 years in the service?? That is laughable. Funny thing is-- West is not running for POTUS, and even so, he strikes fear in the hearts of libs. I love it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 17, 2011 14:43:15 GMT -5
I would trust a man with 20 years military experience to handle our country and keep us safe in these unsafe times WAY more than some softie lawyer that goes from social issue group to social issue group promising them the world....... You say he lacks discipline?? Lacks a cool head??? After 20 years in the service?? That is laughable. Funny thing is-- West is not running for POTUS, and even so, he strikes fear in the hearts of libs. I love it. All lawyers are softies?
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 17, 2011 15:03:07 GMT -5
If you're going walk and talk like a duck, I'm going to treat you like a duck; I'm talking behavior (active), not affiliation (passive). Whatever kitty. You quack me up.....
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 16:29:07 GMT -5
#128......... Said like a real sheltered individual who has wasted too many hours and days on Hollywood heroes, but has never heard gunfire. But why ruin such an uninformed essay with reference to West being human? Hollywood heroes are not human. They are Hollywood hero's, after all. Only real people are human and react to deadly threats with human emotions. West has demonstrated it for us. henryclay, I am not sure to what degree we are disagreeing and to what degree we are simply talking past each other. West did respond to a situation with human emotion. ? ? Following that response, he went to his supervisor and reported his behavior. ! Those up the chain of command from him decided that his behavior was not appropriate. ? ? He accepted the negative consequence that they gave for that behavior. ! Most two year olds throw temper tantrums. Many teenagers lash out emotional at those that thwart their desires. As we enter adulthood, a lot of us learn to control our emotions more and more. In the work world, there are many professions in which we are promoted (or not) based on the ability to keep our cool when others are not. The military is certainly one such profession. My military experience is Navy. I can recall a couple of times that I was very appreciative of a senior officer's calm demeanor in situations that easily could have gotten out of hand quickly. According to reports, four soldiers under Lt. Colonel West's command beat on a prisoner in his presence. It was his command responsibility to stop them. He reportedly watched and then proceeded to engage in even more extreme behavior. As I said before, the people in his congressional district of Florida selected him to represent them in the House of Representatives. Fine. The day may come when the whole state choose to make him their Senator. No problem. Executive control of either the state or the country in which there is no supervisor for him to report his misbehavior to? I see that as a problem.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 17, 2011 16:50:23 GMT -5
George Patton was also passionate and suffered some consequences. But when push came to shove, Eisenhower and Bradley called on him to get the job done. Patriots like George Patton are not too common, but too rare. I wonder what he might have done, faced with the situation Col. West faced. Whatever it might have been, I'm sure some would have found fault.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 17, 2011 17:07:25 GMT -5
George Patton was also passionate and suffered some consequences. But when push came to shove, Eisenhower and Bradley called on him to get the job done. Patriots like George Patton are not too common, but too rare. I wonder what he might have done, faced with the situation Col. West faced. Whatever it might have been, I'm sure some would have found fault. Omar Bradley entered World War II as Patton's junior, but by the critical phase of the European campaign had emerged as Patton's commanding officer. ... But Bradley had the courage and intelligence to use Patton as no other commander could have or probably would have, and Patton, for his part, hungered to be so used. www.historynet.com/omar-bradley-the-generals-general.htm Great leaders, Eisenhower and Bradley.
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