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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 11:49:19 GMT -5
Again welcome and don't be a stranger.I guess I missed the welcoming committee elections. I'll have to try harder to keep up around here. We are all a part of the welcoming committee. We are all just one big happy family here.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 11:50:50 GMT -5
"West, an Iraq War veteran whose military career ended after the alleged torture of an Iraqi policeman..." Lieutenant Colonel West retired from the US Army in 2004 with an honorable discharge. You have to read the reason for , the why, what it accomplished. While I have my own feeling on Rep West, on this item, very understandable, action as a Lt. Col, well possible not in the officers Manuel, and because of that , the court martial had to take place. However , as has happens in Court Martials , agreements are worked out that satisfying to all parties, or if not fully satisfied, not sure if retirement was # 1 on his list of wannabees, fair treatment was given. In other words , if you have never been where he has been, walked in his shoes, don't be so quick on your judgment. Judgment was given by those who have walked, been...and your pointing out with no comment and possible not taking the time to find out what was the incident, I can only go by your post, and all the information is readably available to all of us, no secrets, a simple google will do it.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 11:58:16 GMT -5
The incident that lead to his retirement makes me seriously question whether he is the right person to have ultimate control of our nation's nuclear arsenal.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 12:21:22 GMT -5
The incident that lead to his retirement makes me seriously question whether he is the right person to have ultimate control of our nation's nuclear arsenal. Bills..with all respect, we are a looooonnnngggg way from even considering that scenario being played out...if and when, then I would suggest, worry and revisit... On the other hand..when you consider it...a bluff by him, a threat, but no way considered being carried out..what would be the purpose, information unable to be gotten, possible that didn't work, another scenario may have been played out, so in hind site a very smart move on his part, the Court Martial...charges brought by superiors, couldn't sweep under the rug..correct verdict in my opinion and I am no big supporter of the Representative at least now, possible in the future, will give him time to prove himself. I'm allowed that I think. By the way, Florida, hope you realize my remarks were not aimed at your response , the one you quoted was the poster I was referring my post to.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 15, 2011 13:06:19 GMT -5
Good point burns, but when you're discussing this with a liberal, you need to be more detailed and specific, because most of them have never heard of Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright or Bernardine Dohrn. Then if you bring up Van Jones, Cass Sunstein or any of the other radicals and criminals working for Obama, you get a blank look...it's funny and very sad.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 15, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -5
Right Mr. ed1066. Thank you for the detailed list. Admittedly, I only remembered Ayers and Rezko. Hard to keep track of them all for a Canadian.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 15, 2011 13:26:13 GMT -5
I am favorably impressed by Col. [Congressman] West's resume' and the appearances I've seen, but he hasn't had an opportunity to justify "rising star" status. I'm thinking more of a Ollie North or Joe the Plumber at this time, or, maybe, a Sarah Palin [We'll see how she does]. Politics is a lot more than "flash in the pan" phenomenon. Let's give the man an opportunity to get his feet wet and prove his bona fides, political capabilities and perseverance.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 13:51:11 GMT -5
I am favorably impressed by Col. [Congressman] West's resume' and the appearances I've seen, but he hasn't had an opportunity to justify "rising star" status. I'm thinking more of a Ollie North or Joe the Plumber at this time, or, maybe, a Sarah Palin [We'll see how she does]. Politics is a lot more than "flash in the pan" phenomenon. Let's give the man an opportunity to get his feet wet and prove his bona fides, political capabilities and perseverance.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2011 14:00:31 GMT -5
Lieutenant Colonel West retired from the US Army in 2004 with an honorable discharge. You left out the part about being charged with violating article 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He was processed through an Article 32 and fined $5000. He accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits. His military career of 22 years ended under that cloud, so I doubt he'd tout his military background much. Yes, just as mkitty left out the retired with an honorable discharge part...but for some reason she got an exalt rather than called out for her half truth like you did to me.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 14:29:01 GMT -5
You left out the part about being charged with violating article 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He was processed through an Article 32 and fined $5000. He accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits. His military career of 22 years ended under that cloud, so I doubt he'd tout his military background much. Yes, just as mkitty left out the retired with an honorable discharge part...but for some reason she got an exalt rather than called out for her half truth like you did to me. Well, if we are looking for absolute "truth" - Officers resign their commission, they are not "discharged". Also, it is my understanding that a person is transferred to a retired status, not actually discharged (enlisted) or "de-commissioned" (officer). After 22 years of honorable service to our nation, a Lt. Colonel would have requested to be transferred to a retired status and that request would have been granted or not based on the desire of the command above said service member. Sometimes that request is made solely by the individual involved. Sometimes that request is made based on encouragement by more senior personnel. Which the case might have been for any particular officer, privacy rights should prevail.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 15, 2011 15:34:03 GMT -5
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2011 16:16:46 GMT -5
Well, if we are looking for absolute "truth" - Officers resign their commission, they are not "discharged". Also, it is my understanding that a person is transferred to a retired status, not actually discharged (enlisted) or "de-commissioned" (officer). I think I (re)learned something new today. I believe I've heard something similar to this some time back but it must be stored in the basement cells of the ole brain somewhere.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2011 16:25:07 GMT -5
“If it’s about the lives and safety of my men I would walk through hell with a gas can.” Don't know enough about him to judge him as a representative, but he sounds like the kid of guy I'd want watching my back over there in the sand pit.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 16:39:23 GMT -5
"If it’s about the lives and safety of my men I would walk through hell with a gas can.” Don't know enough about him to judge him as a representative, but he sounds like the kid of guy I'd want watching my back over there in the sand pit. I would prefer someone with a fire extinguisher. This guy is a little too volatile for me.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 15, 2011 19:53:57 GMT -5
Bills, maybe a chill pill would be tastier. He said, "If it's about the men's lives and their safety that he was responsible for. It is a mark of leadership. Would you prefer our warriors have less dedicated leaders? He also, , knowingly , , put his own career on the line as evidence that he meant what he said. And even in the face of his act having proved to save people's lives and route out more insurgents, it was the pansies that "he" worked for that took him to task for it. How many lives might there have been saved if we had more leaders like him?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 20:08:28 GMT -5
Bills, maybe a chill pill would be tastier. He said, "If it's about the men's lives and their safety that he was responsible for. It is a mark of leadership. Would you prefer our warriors have less dedicated leaders? He also, , knowingly , , put his own career on the line as evidence that he meant what he said. And even in the face of his act having proved to save people's lives and route out more insurgents, it was the pansies that "he" worked for that took him to task for it. How many lives might there have been saved if we had more leaders like him? Or: West claimed that the tactic worked. "Mr. Hamoodi came forth with names, location, and method of attack." The attack was to occur near the Saba al Boor police station with rooftop snipers from Fallujah, after Hamoodi signaled to them what Humvee contained West.
Soldiers set up surveillance in hopes of catching those involved in the ambush, which was supposedly scheduled for the next day. But the attack didn't occur. A search of Hamoodi's home reportedly turned up no evidence of the plot.
Hamoodi, who was interviewed by the New York Times nine months after the interrogation, said that he was never involved in any assassination plot and that the information he gave was induced by fear of death.
Hamoodi was detained for 45 days, then released without having been charged. West told the Times, "It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."
blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/juice/2010/03/allen_west_military_career_abuse_iraqi_detainee.php
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Post by henryclay on Feb 15, 2011 20:32:35 GMT -5
Yeah, bills. I know all that. But I also know your source has been in the pocket of West's opponent since before West ever came on the scene. Allen West upset their tidy little hold on that part of Florida and they were not happy about it. What else would you expect? Would you expect objective reporting from a newspaper that would not only , , , openly , , take the side of our enemies but would also go this far to protect their favorite son?
Re: during the campaign, on April 6th, 2010, they ran this: ". . . Making a congressman -- West's opponent Ron Klein -- "scared to come out of his house"? OK, so West hasn't explicitly asked his supporters to commit terrorist acts against Klein, but he's come sooooo close, he may as well have. . . . "
Kinda makes Sarah Palin's map almost a year later, with targets on some political districts a little less frightening, doesn't it? In fact, doesn't it make them seem right in line with the thinking of your source in it's representation of Allen West?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 21:07:15 GMT -5
... Would you expect objective reporting from a newspaper that would not only , , , openly , , take the side of our enemies ... Re: during the campaign, on April 6th, 2010, they ran this: ". . . Making a congressman -- West's opponent Ron Klein -- "scared to come out of his house"? OK, so West hasn't explicitly asked his supporters to commit terrorist acts against Klein, but he's come sooooo close, he may as well have. . . . " ... Where did they "take the side of our enemies"? Also, in the second part of what you posted you have quotation marks. If you are going to quote something, it is customary to cite what exactly you are quoting so that the information is verifiable.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 15, 2011 21:39:06 GMT -5
Let's stay out the ditch, shall we bills? I provided anough source information that if you really want to see it, you can. Why dio I suspect that reading the source is not that important to you, but that other factors are involved?
You apparently don't like the man. That's good enough for me. The Newspaper also doesn't like the man. That is good enough for me, too. But the man put his people above himself when it counted, and THAT should be good enough for all of us. He doesn't need to prove anything more to me because his entire adult life has been spent demonstrably serving others. I have every confidence that he will continue to do that.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 22:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 15, 2011 22:18:27 GMT -5
Today's trivia: q: Which ex-President was the first enter the Presidency with a criminal record, namely a DUI? ɐ: פǝoɹƃǝ M˙ qnsɥ Funny how you don't mention Saul Alinsky because how could libs who otherwise are supposedly clueless about these people not use his rules for radicals then? If I'd rate your argument, I'd give it 7/11 in convenience points, but not nearly so high for truthiness. It helps if you read my whole message: And an honorable discharge doesn't exonerate him.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 15, 2011 22:27:17 GMT -5
Which ex-President was the first enter the Presidency with a criminal record, namely a DUI?
I could only guess but if I had represented him he would have entered the presidency with a clean record.
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 16, 2011 1:19:54 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to the first one to leave with a criminal record (might be forgery, aiding and abetting terrorists, embezzlement, exceeding constitutional authority, dereliction of duty, there are SO many choices)...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2011 3:59:57 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to the first one to leave with a criminal record (might be forgery, aiding and abetting terrorists, embezzlement, exceeding constitutional authority, dereliction of duty, there are SO many choices)... I think it would be a good idea to do it before big cities let too many police and firefighters go in budget cuts.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 16, 2011 8:30:27 GMT -5
This guy is a little too volatile for me. Of course....he's a conservative. We're all wackos to the far left. <yawn> I'll care about it later. I did. You cherry picked the "facts" you needed to demonize the man. Nor does an allegation convict him.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 16, 2011 10:10:05 GMT -5
Which ex-President was the first enter the Presidency with a criminal record, namely a DUI?
George Bush, but I don't know how many righties are aware of that and if they are aware, they'll make excuses for him.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 16, 2011 10:43:29 GMT -5
Which ex-President was the first enter the Presidency with a criminal record, namely a DUI?George Bush, but I don't know how many righties are aware of that and if they are aware, they'll make excuses for him. He did get sober I believe so that is a plus...a big one actually so have no zings to him in that...think Laura had a lot to do with it...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2011 10:46:05 GMT -5
This guy is a little too volatile for me. Of course....he's a conservative. We're all wackos to the far left. <yawn> I'll care about it later. ... Actually, at the time of the incident I was referring to, he was a United States Army Lt. Colonel who didn't control his emotions.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2011 10:52:14 GMT -5
... Nor does an allegation convict him. An officer in Iraq who used shock interrogation tactics to thwart an impending attack on American soldiers was punished with forfeiture of two month's pay, according to his lawyer. Previously faced with the possibility of a court martial, Lt. Col. Allen B. West accepted Article 15 non-judicial punishment from the commanding general of the 4th Infantry Division at a hearing today in Tikrit, Iraq, said Neal A. Puckett, a retired Marine officer. Read more: Lt. Col. West fined $5,000 www.wnd.com/?pageId=22287#ixzz1E8aUwxc6 But a conviction does convict him (doesn't it?)
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 16, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -5
Which ex-President was the first enter the Presidency with a criminal record, namely a DUI?George Bush, but I don't know how many righties are aware of that and if they are aware, they'll make excuses for him. Oh my...a DWI in 1976. Impeach Bush! I knew about it (shows he is just like everyone else and makes mistakes) just didn't care. It's not like he drove off a bridge and killed someone. BTW, I was arrested for underage DWI many years back. I guess I'm not perfect either. I know...hard to believe.
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