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Post by ed1066 on Feb 14, 2011 17:26:41 GMT -5
Yes, I got that Dezi, thank you. My point is that I thought "people who believe everything they see on TV" were a myth, a stereotype. Now I see they actually exist...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 14, 2011 17:29:46 GMT -5
Yes, I got that Dezi, thank you. My point is that I thought "people who believe everything they see on TV" were a myth, a stereotype. Now I see they actually exist... As opposed to people who believe everything they get off the internet....
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 14, 2011 17:33:47 GMT -5
The left and their media are going to have a hard time figuring out how to smear Allen West. He's conservative, but he's black, so they can't just call him a racist like they would anyone else who disagrees with Obama. He's military, but he holds multiple advanced degrees, so they can't call him stupid like they tend to do with military personnel. He's Christian, but again he's black too, so they can't lump him in with their typical portrayal of Christians as backward rednecks. Yes, he will be a tough one, that Allen West...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 17:37:47 GMT -5
Awesome post, Ed. Henry has a way of picking great topics.
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Post by skweet on Feb 14, 2011 17:38:55 GMT -5
The left and their media are going to have a hard time figuring out how to smear Allen West. He's conservative, but he's black, so they can't just call him a racist like they would anyone else who disagrees with Obama. He's military, but he holds multiple advanced degrees, so they can't call him stupid like they tend to do with military personnel. He's Christian, but again he's black too, so they can't lump him in with their typical portrayal of Christians as backward rednecks. Yes, he will be a tough one, that Allen West... They would ignore him as though he does not exist. His campaign would be referred to as "fringe" or "extreme", or other words that indicate why they don't talk about him. Then Trump or Palin or Guiliani/Romney or just someone that is easy to put in a jar and display as poison will get soundbite after bite. I don't know the guy, so maybe I wouldn't agree with his politics, but being a black republican, I can't imagine that I will have the chance.
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Post by henryclay on Feb 14, 2011 17:51:18 GMT -5
I see lots of diversity here. Diversity from the left. They don't know how to take Allen West. So I'll give them a clue. . . . . . . . . Nail him on being the victim of being raised a Southern Baptist. Hang "Republican" in front of that handle and you may have a winner. A whining winner for sure, but what liberal cares, as long as it's a winner. Top that off with him expecting people to rise to their own potential, which may conflict with the liberal view of , , , , , "how he helps his constituents with their problems with the government, looks out for them , their needs, benefits, SS, Medicare. Is he going to support those needs? . . . . . .
I'll drop another clue, too. Contrary to American values of self reliance and determination, those are pure socialist ideas, so I doubt that he will ride on the band wagon in that parade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 17:54:49 GMT -5
Explain, henry?
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Post by henryclay on Feb 14, 2011 18:09:11 GMT -5
".......Explain, Henry..."
Sure, krickett.
Go back to John Kennedy. 'Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Kennedy would be tared and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail today for uttering such words.
All the liberals look for is what the governememt can do for them. Doing for themselves means they get all thay can, any way theyt can, and if it's not enough, , , they can always turn to getting it from the governement.
Liberals want their dice to always come up "7" with everybody being equal, , , , as long as equal means nobody wants what they've got or gets in front of them. Being equal to a liberal means somebody else, (not the liberal), pays.
.................Soimethng like that...............
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 18:14:38 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me, henry. And the race thing..... I like Herman Kain as a POTUS nominee. I've heard him numerous times on the radio. Not saying I will vote for him, too early for that, but I better watch out, any way, because he is black, and I am said to be a racist, so-- maybe if I vote for him it is just to prove I am not racist, which is RACIST!!!!!!!!!! Lol-- it never ends, does it?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 18:28:42 GMT -5
Yes, I got that Dezi, thank you. My point is that I thought "people who believe everything they see on TV" were a myth, a stereotype. Now I see they actually exist... Well if you see and hear a non edited live/taped broadcast, hearing..{thinking c span} whats not to believe?
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Post by skweet on Feb 14, 2011 18:31:53 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me, henry. And the race thing..... I like Herman Kain as a POTUS nominee. I've heard him numerous times on the radio. Not saying I will vote for him, too early for that, but I better watch out, any way, because he is black, and I am said to be a racist, so-- maybe if I vote for him it is just to prove I am not racist, which is RACIST!!!!!!!!!! Lol-- it never ends, does it? I like Cain, although he wouldn't be my first choice, as I think he is a gold-standard type, but he would be infinitely better than previous republican options. Again, he would be dismissed as a cooke, outsider and fringer, by the media. He has very similar views as Ron Paul, and Ron was an "also-ran" before he started (according to the media). Couple that with the fact that Cain would cause African-Americans to question whether they have to vote Democrat, or whether they actually have a choice. The media does not want anyone to have to question their political status. With 90% plus black vote, the democrats will place a media cloud over any black, republican candidate, and the media will help.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 14, 2011 18:33:51 GMT -5
Not saying I will vote for him, too early for that, but I better watch out, any way, because he is black, and I am said to be a racist, so-- maybe if I vote for him it is just to prove I am not racist, which is RACIST!!!!!!!!!!There she goes again.........
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Post by skweet on Feb 14, 2011 18:38:19 GMT -5
www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/haman1.htmlOK I know this is an extremely biased write-up, but I remember Ron being marginalized and dismissed by the media, during the election, and this is interesting regarding that fact. You can imagine how hard it would be for a black man to be acknowledged by the mainstream media.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 18:39:45 GMT -5
Hey, skweet. I don't vote race, I vote policy. Nice to meet you.
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Post by skweet on Feb 14, 2011 18:48:19 GMT -5
Hey, skweet. I don't vote race, I vote policy. Nice to meet you. My point is that they successfully hid Ron Paul in 2007. He had the largest war-chest in the GOP, second only to Hillary in over-all. He was heavy poll leader after early debates, but as the primaries rolled on, he was diminished by the media if acknowledged at all. The general public never got a chance to hear from him, because they were force fed Mike, Mitt, McCain, and Guiliani. If he was black, the media would have been even more afraid. You don't vote race, I don't vote race, the media votes race, and the media would be terrified of a conservative black man.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 14, 2011 18:56:21 GMT -5
Hey, skweet. I don't vote race, I vote policy. Nice to meet you. My point is that they successfully hid Ron Paul in 2007. He had the largest war-chest in the GOP, second only to Hillary in over-all. He was heavy poll leader after early debates, but as the primaries rolled on, he was diminished by the media if acknowledged at all. The general public never got a chance to hear from him, because they were force fed Mike, Mitt, McCain, and Guiliani. If he was black, the media would have been even more afraid. You don't vote race, I don't vote race, the media votes race, and the media would be terrified of a conservative black man. I don't get why you are blaming the MSM. I saw him interviewed as much as any of the other Pubs. I watched him in the debates. I especially liked his refreshing honesty about the Iraq war. He didn't win enough primaries. It was the Republicans who excluded him from the Republican national convention, not the MSM....
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 14, 2011 19:11:17 GMT -5
Iowa and New Hampshire are low media-driven states. Show well there and the media will love a winner. Or show poorly there and then start whining about lack of press coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 19:16:28 GMT -5
True, skweet. But, he won the CPAC straw poll AGAIN.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 14, 2011 19:23:45 GMT -5
Ron Paul did not have the social conservatives then and he won't have them now.
The Pubs have to find someone who is acceptable to the social conservatives and still be electable. Paul may be electable, but the social conservatives would never allow him to have the nomination.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 19:32:18 GMT -5
Yeah-- blame the conservatives. Like the chosen ones, I mean libs, are not waiting like wolves to dismember him. I can't think of anyone you people would like more except Sarah Palin.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 14, 2011 22:46:09 GMT -5
The left and their media are going to have a hard time figuring out how to smear Allen West. He's conservative, but he's black, so they can't just call him a racist like they would anyone else who disagrees with Obama Where's his BC? No, his real BC. No, his real BC. No, his real BC... "West, an Iraq War veteran whose military career ended after the alleged torture of an Iraqi policeman..." www.thegrio.com/politics/rep-allen-west-to-be-top-speaker-at-cpac.phpOne of those out of touch ivory tower eggheads, eh? You should be very familiar of the Rovian technique of using someone's strength as a weakness. Proof? No, that doesn't prove a thing. And didn't he shake hands with that guy from a motorcycle gang? Nah, we'll just borrow the Conservative playbook. And when people complain about how we complain about him, we'll be sure to play the "they're calling us racists!" card.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 23:08:51 GMT -5
Ron Paul did not have the social conservatives then and he won't have them now. The Pubs have to find someone who is acceptable to the social conservatives and still be electable. Paul may be electable, but the social conservatives would never allow him to have the nomination. That would also do in Milt Romney too...actually, if I was to say which Republican I would seriously consider , it would be Romney. He did a very good job in Massachusetts in a very , as all know , Democratic state..all of his vetoes were over turned..his trying to get a better representation of Republican legislatures in to the State legislature was a bust. What many feel was switching of sides on issues was a reality of..understanding he didn't have the votes, making the best of what was to be. Granted , of course there are policy I don't agree with but to look that closely at every single aspect of a candidates make up and beliefs is just crazy, and over all, he was a very good governor. I am not sure what his foreign policy views are but am sure they wouldn't be so far anywhere that would turn me off. Yes , I would seriously considr Milt Romney as my President if given a chance, who he was running against and if our present President , well lets hear the debates and the campaigning. On this one, I would pay attention too. He worked very well with a heavily Demicratic lefislature, Kennedy and he became good friends even though they were opposites politically and if he had run again, instead of going full time for the Presidency, I beleive he would have been returned to office. And they say no middle to the left would consider any but a Democrate as President. Now from my friends from the right who are here what ay you to considering a Democrat....LOL, you got to be kidding.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 15, 2011 10:33:18 GMT -5
The left and their media are going to have a hard time figuring out how to smear Allen West. He's conservative, but he's black, so they can't just call him a racist like they would anyone else who disagrees with Obama Where's his BC? No, his real BC. No, his real BC. No, his real BC... "West, an Iraq War veteran whose military career ended after the alleged torture of an Iraqi policeman..." www.thegrio.com/politics/rep-allen-west-to-be-top-speaker-at-cpac.phpOne of those out of touch ivory tower eggheads, eh? You should be very familiar of the Rovian technique of using someone's strength as a weakness. Proof? No, that doesn't prove a thing. And didn't he shake hands with that guy from a motorcycle gang? Nah, we'll just borrow the Conservative playbook. And when people complain about how we complain about him, we'll be sure to play the "they're calling us racists!" card. LOL <<<karma>>>> (as soon as I can "karma-ize" again)
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 15, 2011 11:02:37 GMT -5
Its hard to comprehend what #51 means. Are all these stupid little individual quotes and comments supposed to be some kind of refute to the facts presented? I'm not sure what its about concerning a handshake with a motorcycle gang member but I'm going to point out that its probably less concerning than collaborating with a known terrorist for years along with various other convicted and strongly suspected criminals.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2011 11:14:40 GMT -5
Its hard to comprehend what #51 means. ... Sarcasm can be difficult to comprehend.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 11:19:47 GMT -5
Its hard to comprehend what #51 means. Are all these stupid little individual quotes and comments supposed to be some kind of refute to the facts presented? I'm not sure what its about concerning a handshake with a motorcycle gang member but I'm going to point out that its probably less concerning than collaborating with a known terrorist for years along with various other convicted and strongly suspected criminals. Actually for some one new here , only what, 19 posts, heartfelt welcome by the way mKitty, don't get discouraged by dissing on posts, one of the things that should be over looked , think "occupational hazards ", I found most good tongue in cheek responses to quoted posts, well done. Humor on seriouse topics, neat. Again welcome and don't be a stranger.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 11:25:12 GMT -5
Its hard to comprehend what #51 means. ... Sarcasm can be difficult to comprehend. You picked that up so early in the AM, for me anyway, impressive..ok time for some more
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2011 11:29:29 GMT -5
"West, an Iraq War veteran whose military career ended after the alleged torture of an Iraqi policeman..." Lieutenant Colonel West retired from the US Army in 2004 with an honorable discharge.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 15, 2011 11:36:01 GMT -5
"West, an Iraq War veteran whose military career ended after the alleged torture of an Iraqi policeman..." Lieutenant Colonel West retired from the US Army in 2004 with an honorable discharge. You left out the part about being charged with violating article 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He was processed through an Article 32 and fined $5000. He accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits. His military career of 22 years ended under that cloud, so I doubt he'd tout his military background much.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 15, 2011 11:41:58 GMT -5
Again welcome and don't be a stranger.
I guess I missed the welcoming committee elections. I'll have to try harder to keep up around here.
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