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Post by greeniis10 on Jul 17, 2013 15:43:37 GMT -5
Considering the story is about what the f*ck went wrong with him, I think it's a fitting image to use. It's the perfect juxtaposition between a typical American teen and radicalized murderer. I agree and it really doesn't bother me that he's on the cover. What DOES bother me is after he was arrested and his picture was everywhere I heard one of the TV stations reporting that Facebook pages were being created by young, teenage girls who were saying how cute he was! Ugh! Now THAT made me ill and I changed the channel, so I don't remember any details.
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Post by imawino on Jul 17, 2013 15:52:21 GMT -5
what you just quoted was a direct response to someone else. I personally think this kid has gotten enough "cover time" across the board, and if there's an investigative piece to be published that discusses his downward spiral from the stable HS student he was before he blew up 3 people, it doesn't need to accompany a full-cover picture. lots of articles appear in magazine without making the cover. Does the fact that it was in response to someone else mean that you meant it less? Seriously, when and on what magazine would it be okay? Or is it just not okay because you have decided it more personally impacts you because it happened geographically close to you?
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Post by imawino on Jul 17, 2013 15:53:24 GMT -5
Considering the story is about what the f*ck went wrong with him, I think it's a fitting image to use. It's the perfect juxtaposition between a typical American teen and radicalized murderer. I agree and it really doesn't bother me that he's on the cover. What DOES bother me is after he was arrested and his picture was everywhere I heard one of the TV stations reporting that Facebook pages were being created by young, teenage girls who were saying how cute he was! Ugh! Now THAT made me ill and I changed the channel, so I don't remember any details. ugh. That makes me think of those women who write letters to convicts. Gross.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 17, 2013 16:10:37 GMT -5
what you just quoted was a direct response to someone else. I personally think this kid has gotten enough "cover time" across the board, and if there's an investigative piece to be published that discusses his downward spiral from the stable HS student he was before he blew up 3 people, it doesn't need to accompany a full-cover picture. lots of articles appear in magazine without making the cover. Does the fact that it was in response to someone else mean that you meant it less? Seriously, when and on what magazine would it be okay? Or is it just not okay because you have decided it more personally impacts you because it happened geographically close to you? am I allowed to have multiple reasons why I have the opinion I do? or am I limited to just those reasons I give you? as I said, this is MY OPINION. you are entitled to your own. I've said that I don't have a problem with the article itself. I'm actually somewhat intrigued as to the content, but I don't feel like we need to keep publicizing people that think it's okay to attack innocent people. I said in another thread that the movie Natural Born Killers was a very good analogy, and it's absolutely not a world I want to live in. enough already.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 17, 2013 16:29:34 GMT -5
I've said that I don't have a problem with the article itself. I'm actually somewhat intrigued as to the content, but I don't feel like we need to keep publicizing people that think it's okay to attack innocent people. I said in another thread that the movie Natural Born Killers was a very good analogy, and it's absolutely not a world I want to live in. enough already. I agree with this. The problem isn't really with Rolling Stone though. The problem is people are interested & want to read & see this stuff. Articles like Rolling Stone merely are fulfilling a need of the general public. I don't know how you change society so that we just ignore the killers & they get no after-the-fact publicity. I wish there was a way to do so though.
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Post by swamp on Jul 17, 2013 16:46:09 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think ignoring them is a good thing. I think we should know about their behavior since it might stop a future shooting if someonevis acting similarly.
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Post by Opti on Jul 17, 2013 17:29:12 GMT -5
Rolling stone has done exposes on Goldmen Sachs, Zyprexa, oil industry regulation, mcchrystal, ... Etc. They don't always make the cover, but I think you re mischaracterizing it as only a music magazine. I've never bought it, but when I do read it, I read for these articles not the entertainment stuff. It might be why my opinion is closer to Oped's. I don't think showing a picture of someone accused of a horrific crime with article title that ends calling him a monster is any kind of kudo most people are looking for. Perhaps I'm wrong and out of step with most people, as even when things crumble around me, I have never once thought committing some sort of crime was a way to make a name for myself and exit this life in an unpleasant fashion. Perhaps some of you can explain that impulse to me? Yes being on a cover of a magazine can be an honor. It can also be a slap in the face or to draw attention to an issue. If Rolling Stone hasn't done their full print run yet, perhaps they could make a Boston area magazine with a different cover. I just saw a picture of the cover and since the journalism side intrigues me more than the music this story is the one I'd put on the cover. Would those people who dislike the cover be satisifed if the cover had been a split of one side of his face with a scene of the bomb going off or is that wrong too? You have to acknowledge something in order to discuss it. I do wonder what made the brothers go wrong and what led US officials to keep the family here. What was missed and are there things that can be learned? Honestly seems far more useful than all the gun legislation following the shootings at Sandy Hook.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 17, 2013 17:42:25 GMT -5
Rolling stone has done exposes on Goldmen Sachs, Zyprexa, oil industry regulation, mcchrystal, ... Etc. They don't always make the cover, but I think you re mischaracterizing it as only a music magazine. I've never bought it, but when I do read it, I read for these articles not the entertainment stuff. It might be why my opinion is closer to Oped's. I don't think showing a picture of someone accused of a horrific crime with article title that ends calling him a monster is any kind of kudo most people are looking for. Perhaps I'm wrong and out of step with most people, as even when things crumble around me, I have never once thought committing some sort of crime was a way to make a name for myself and exit this life in an unpleasant fashion. Perhaps some of you can explain that impulse to me? Yes being on a cover of a magazine can be an honor. It can also be a slap in the face or to draw attention to an issue. If Rolling Stone hasn't done their full print run yet, perhaps they could make a Boston area magazine with a different cover. I just saw a picture of the cover and since the journalism side intrigues me more than the music this story is the one I'd put on the cover. Would those people who dislike the cover be satisifed if the cover had been a split of one side of his face with a scene of the bomb going off or is that wrong too? You have to acknowledge something in order to discuss it. I do wonder what made the brothers go wrong and what led US officials to keep the family here. What was missed and are there things that can be learned? Honestly seems far more useful than all the gun legislation following the shootings at Sandy Hook. quite honestly, I'd prefer a cover pic that reflected any of the other stories that are mentioned on the cover. the text of the headline is sufficient to advertise the article contained inside the issue. I don't know that I would say you are out of step with most people because you can't find a connection between seeing this picture and equating it with making a name for yourself, but there are crazy people out there who do. take the student killers at Columbine, they picked their attack date for a reason - it's the same date as Waco and the OK City bombing. I read the book 'Columbine' that was written years later, in an effort to academically investigate the "why" like I'm guessing this article will. it was interesting forensic insight to me, but there wasn't a picture of the killers plastered on the book jacket.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 17, 2013 17:52:33 GMT -5
take the student killers at Columbine, they picked their attack date for a reason - it's the same date as Waco and the OK City bombing. I read the book 'Columbine' that was written years later, in an effort to academically investigate the "why" like I'm guessing this article will. it was interesting forensic insight to me, but there wasn't a picture of the killers plastered on the book jacket. No it wasn't. Maybe that was the intended date, but they carried out their attack on 4/20. Both those events occured on 4/19. I had always heard that they picked that date because it coincided with Hitler's Bday. Although that was early on after the attacks, so that may have been people guessing. I never read the book though, didn't want to, so maybe more came out than was on the news. Maybe now I could, but for too long it was too personal & sad. I knew the mother of one of the girls that got shot (lifetime made a movie about her later) & several that were in the cafeteria that day.
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Post by Opti on Jul 17, 2013 17:58:17 GMT -5
Chiver we won't agree on this because we see the magazine very differently(I wouldn't have thought to pick it up without the controversy and cover pic for example) and thankfully my closest experience to something similar was 9/11.
The small percentage of people who do seek fame through crime IMO are going to do it whether we have a total media blackout or continue as we have been. I've never wanted to get inside a killer's mind, so I admit I can't be sure I'm right. The few times I've encountered people literally reading about serial killers and similar, I pretty much avoided looking at the books at all. And perhaps its that hugely personal ick factor for some that just comes from a deep emotional place.
I hope they come up with another cover at least for the Boston area as a peace offering. I will however hope it shows up in the original guise at my library in NJ, so it is easy to find when I feel like reading it. I am deeply sorry for Boston's loss. For reasons I don't fully understand I stayed up late watching the on-line feed as they were trying to capture him. I guess I, like most of the Boston area, wanted the horror to be over and life to return to some version of normal.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 17, 2013 18:17:01 GMT -5
take the student killers at Columbine, they picked their attack date for a reason - it's the same date as Waco and the OK City bombing. I read the book 'Columbine' that was written years later, in an effort to academically investigate the "why" like I'm guessing this article will. it was interesting forensic insight to me, but there wasn't a picture of the killers plastered on the book jacket. No it wasn't. Maybe that was the intended date, but they carried out their attack on 4/20. Both those events occured on 4/19. I had always heard that they picked that date because it coincided with Hitler's Bday. Although that was early on after the attacks, so that may have been people guessing. I never read the book though, didn't want to, so maybe more came out than was on the news. Maybe now I could, but for too long it was too personal & sad. I knew the mother of one of the girls that got shot (lifetime made a movie about her later) & several that were in the cafeteria that day. I do believe they were delayed a day from their original plan. the book talked a lot about how the "leader" of the pair idolized some of the terrorists ahead of him. I can understand why you would pass on reading it, if you knew someone personally involved.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 17, 2013 18:23:04 GMT -5
opti, I don't think a peace offering will be any better received than the original at this point. the picture was clearly chosen as an attention-grabber, and backtracking now just looks like covering their ass.
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Post by Opti on Jul 17, 2013 18:44:52 GMT -5
Too bad then. What do you think they should do now? I get being upset with the image, but because we can't go back in time, what is a solution you think you and others who dislike it would be satisfied with?
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 17, 2013 19:05:25 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. I haven't bought an issue of RS in a long damn time, because quite frankly it hasn't been all that great in recent years. after this blatant attention-whoring at the expense of good taste, I highly doubt I'll ever pick up an issue again. I think the best thing they can do as a business is take their lumps in eating the sales of the issue that half of New England refuses to carry, and then just lay low for awhile around here. while their overall circulation probably won't suffer in the long run, I don't think anyone can say that for this area.
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Post by Opti on Jul 17, 2013 19:21:34 GMT -5
Given it was a picture we've seen before I find it hard to see as blatant attention-whoring, but again, my connection to the Boston bombing is in no way personal. Now if you want to talk about recent magazine covers that were going for controversy and attention I think the one of the mom breast feeding a fully dressed fifth grader or whatever he was, that was blatant attention grabbing.
I had a boyfriend who taught me something very valuable when it came to resolving conflict and practicing forgiveness. He trained me to not get stuck in my anger. Yes it sucks when your BF, magazine, boss, whatever does something sucky. But if you can learn to look past your anger to the roots of it, you can find things that people can do to atone and let you forgive, move on, and live in the present. (Pretty heavy for a magazine cover, but just wanted to share that as I would find it helpful in understanding that area's pain if you could think of actions they could take to show the area they care and didn't mean to diss them in any way.)
Way too hot here. Need to bail to a cool retail establishment for awhile so I can think clearly enough to write some cover letters for electronic job applications.
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