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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 12:40:53 GMT -5
Haven't digested all the fall out from Egypt yet Krickett..how about making a call and asking them , protestors, to hold off a week or so till things settle down there first?
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Post by jkapp on Feb 14, 2011 13:06:30 GMT -5
I saw briefly in the news this morning that several countries (Iran, Algeria, Yemen) are having protests in their respective countries - I didn't hear what the protests were about nor if they were sparked because of the Egypt/Tunisia protests though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:18:21 GMT -5
Interesting... www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/13/pressures-iran-allow-protests-prince-says-tehran-moment-coming/..."By announcing that they will not allow opposition protests, the Iranian government has declared illegal for Iranians what it claimed was noble for Egyptians," Donilon said. "We call on the government of Iran to allow the Iranian people the universal right to peacefully assemble, demonstrate, and communicate that's being exercised in Cairo." That was after Vice President Biden on Friday called for Iran to "let your people march, let your people speak, release your people from jail." White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, on his last day on the job Friday, echoed that point. "I think what you've seen in the region is the government of Iran, quite frankly, scared of the will of its people," he said. ... SO-- the US gov't is AHEAD of this protest today in Iran, and was pretty quiet on the protest in Egypt for a few days, then came out for the protesters, betrayed an ally, but now assurances the military will honor all deals about Israel.... I'm pro-Israel, but for the life of me, I can never figure Obama out. I wonder if he consults a windsock before he makes decisions......
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 13:19:28 GMT -5
What's going on in Iran??
Clamp Down
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:19:41 GMT -5
LOL, silly me!! It is the old "Never let a good crisis go to waste" thingie!!
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 13:33:40 GMT -5
What's going on in Iran?? Clamp Down They will...and hard...there is great support for the hard religiouse line in the country side..illiterate and poor, that the rgime supports with bread and commodities...then you have the young..the educated ..with out jobs...wanting change...IF they did demonstrate and #'s for a long time...and were able to with stand the onslaught that will be brought down on them, possible th religioes leaders who are the final arbitrator , might remove the presiden and have some changes...but only to protect their place and control of the counry...it would be a bloody one, unlike Egypt... I doubt you will see CNN there as they were in Egypt. Doubt you will see any outside media to speak of .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:50:22 GMT -5
But wait-- I CLEARLY remember when I was outraged about the killing in Iran in 09, libs telling me that what would take their place would be worse than what is in place. That was when Obama was mute.. now team Obama is speaking for the people, and-- nothing has changed-- the same psycho in charge in Iran-- but now it is good?? Not in 09, but yes in 11?? Okay................
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 14, 2011 13:59:30 GMT -5
(krickitt) "But wait-- I CLEARLY remember when I was outraged about the killing in Iran in 09, libs telling me that what would take their place would be worse than what is in place. That was when Obama was mute.. now team Obama is speaking for the people, and-- nothing has changed-- the same psycho in charge in Iran-- but now it is good?? Not in 09, but yes in 11?? Okay................"
Krickitt-are you saying 'lib' posters told you in 09 that if the Iranian Green Revolution of 2009-2010 had succeeded, the Green Revolution government would have been far worse for the Iranian people than the current Iranian government under Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
Please clarify.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 14:02:23 GMT -5
I remember people telling me that whoever took over in Iran would be worse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 14:03:14 GMT -5
And Obama was mute in 09.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 14, 2011 14:06:42 GMT -5
I remember people telling me that whoever took over in Iran would be worse. Seeing you have a good memory, who said that as I cannot imagine having a worse government than what is in place in Iran today.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 14:09:41 GMT -5
I remember people telling me that whoever took over in Iran would be worse. And you took them at their word?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 14:15:19 GMT -5
I can't remember who said it, Tenn, but they did say it. Since I was known as a conservative poster, that means it was people posting against me. Maybe someone here will step up to it.
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Post by steff on Feb 14, 2011 14:15:33 GMT -5
Hmmmm, I remember the "libs" saying that we shouldn't jump into the middle of what was going on in Iran because we can't be the world's policeman and we can't afford to go to war with Iran. And if I remember correctly, the response to that was always the posting of the "neda" video with the comment of "how can we allow this to happen".
Always interesting to see "selective" memory at work
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 14:28:17 GMT -5
And Obama was mute in 09. Possible..jus asking you to think along these lines..with the intelligence he had..first , our influence on the government is nil, nada, in fact if we say go left, the bridge is out , they will go right, just because we said go left. I will go google to see if he was silent..not sure, am sure there was a comment and a expression of.. He may have known , as many here knows, that the current regime is to strong, has to much support by so many of the populace, the poor uneducated, the ones not in the cities, in the country side, and the secret police are vicious, the religious police area all of that and more, the leadership, religious will do anything to keep their influence and power, and benefits, and they, the government will not hesitate to crack down hard as the DID on the greenuprising...they are use to blood shed thee.. therefore , and not sure if he was silent, his hands were tied beyond what he may have done. You may not support him but just to lay blame when there is none to lay , makes little sense to me.
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Post by b2r on Feb 14, 2011 14:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 14:38:51 GMT -5
Thx, b2r. I'm just trying to figure it out, and to figure out the discrepency between this time and last time. Hope that blog can keep going.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 13:23:20 GMT -5
Yeah, bad news. I read on debka last week that the Iranian warships were heading for the Suez Canal. The whole region is in chaos now.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 16, 2011 15:28:19 GMT -5
There are so few site and media coverage of Iran because of that countrys government censorship, here is the home to the site krickett found, thanks Krickett, posting up for those interested in any news from there..as current as it seems we can get so far. Posting for those interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/--------------------------------------------------------------------- Ut seems "Tehran Bureau " is a ..here reasd for your self so you know the purpose of the site and why up..as said , not a lot of media out there, not as bad as say North Korea and such countries , but definitly skimpy on information compared to the norm.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why Tehran Bureau? Tehran Bureau is a "virtual" bureau connecting journalists, Iran experts, and readers all over the world. While serious independent journalism remains nearly impossible in Iran -- and no Western news organization has operated a bureau there in more than a generation -- Tehran Bureau is committed to adding original reporting, comment, and essay on one of the most important stories in the world ----------------------------------------------------------------- www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/us/
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 16, 2011 15:33:20 GMT -5
I'm more concerned about our country's government censorship, especially given the fact that this type of incident may be exactly what Obama and the Dems are hoping for to kick off the next phase of their plan to destroy Israel...the timing is awfully convenient, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 15:44:00 GMT -5
It sure seems to be falling in place, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 15:54:49 GMT -5
Oh pleeeeze!
The situation in Iran is very interesting. It's been 30+ years since the Islamic revolution. This is enough time to grow another middle class and folks who want to see a democratic government. It's an amazing opportunity for another democratic revolution to bloom.
The idea of the Iranian government having a a realistic ability to create chaos in the Suez given their own domestic problems is laughable.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 18, 2011 19:35:51 GMT -5
And Clinton only faced Impeachment..if these folks were in Congress at the time... --------------------------------------------------------------------- "At an open session of parliament Tuesday, pro-government legislators demanded opposition leaders Mir Hossein Mousavi, Mahdi Karroubi and former reformist President Mohammad Khatami face be held responsible for the protests. OUTREACH: State Department taps Twitter to reach Iranians Pumping their fists in the air, the lawmakers chanted "death to Mousavi, Karroubi and Khatami." "We believe the people have lost their patience and demand capital punishment" for the opposition leaders, 221 lawmakers said in a statement -------------------------------------------------------------------- This is conming from their equivalent elected congressional folks and the pubs thought "Pelosi " was a bit of a hard liner...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 18, 2011 21:01:34 GMT -5
This article , it is the thoughts of those who are the operators of the debka site , are suggsting the Bahrain uprisings are being instigated by Iran, the reason to get a Shia uprising there, change of regime, supportive of Iran, and spread to the kingdom of Saudia Arabia, 1/5 of the population are Shia, at the same time the leades in Iran are getting ready to crack down on demonstrators in their country, and finally crush any opposition to their regime and executions of demonstrators are expected and have been agreed on by Iranian religiouse and political leaders ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.debka.com/article/20677/--------------------------------------------------------------- But the Bahraini ruler's most acute problem is that while the Arabic and world media lump the protest movement in his kingdom with the pro-democracy uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, it is not the same in that it does not just represent genuine people power fighting an autocratic regime for reforms, but is fomented from Tehran. Iran's objective is to overthrow the Al-Khalifa regime and replace it with the first pro-Iranian government in the Arabian Gulf region. A Shiite regime in Manama will stir the Shiite minorities to revolt in other oil-rich Gulf states - and especially in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, where they make up around one-fifth of the population. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Tehran itself, meanwhile, debkafile's Iranian sources report that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad early Thursday conferred with Revolutionary Guards and Basij leaders on ways to further crack down on opposition protests after two days of harsh measures. Since Monday, 1,400 protesters have been arrested and their whereabouts are unknown. At least two died of bullet wounds. The leaders of Iran's Islamic regime fear that the youngsters in Iranian cities will catch fire from the uprisings in Arab countries and be willing to fight for its overthrow. As a key deterrent, an increase in the number of executions of dissidents was agreed between Ahmadinejad, most of his aides, Prosecutor General Mohseni-eEjehee, the commander Internal Security Forces, Mohammad Reza Radan Mohammad Reza Naghdi, and the ultra-radical Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, Chairman of the Constitution Committee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article?}
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 21:44:13 GMT -5
You got it, Dez. Iran bears watching. They are no friend to western interests, and in this time of unrest over there the risk is high that more Iranian type regimes could emerge from the chaos. I would hopwe the US has people working behind the scene to stop this. Not sure what power we have other than the aide money, and having the Saudis offer to pay our aide money to Egypt if we did not do what they wanted is not a good sign. Hard to even guess how it will all turn out, but there is cause to be concerned.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 18, 2011 21:50:42 GMT -5
The article you've cited, Dez, is pointing out some very crucial issues. If the surrounding regimes were to fall and those countries join with the Iranian Shi'ites, it could get very, very ugly. Kuwait, Bahrain, and several others in the area are vulnerable, as they are home to a majority Shi'ite population. Only eastern Saudi Arabia has this majority, but that's where most of the oil comes from, and where the large refineries are.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 19, 2011 8:53:11 GMT -5
I agree with you mmhmm, grant you they are opinions in a independent think tank as I call it, but very plausable and they have had it right , their feelings ,predictions, over time on other topics , to be dismissed. There isn't a lot coming out of Iran as you know, this link has a feeling of what is going on there, fron the call of the extreme{death and destruction} to the call of the bad {Housr arrest, cut off from all others, suppression}..little in between. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2011/02/clashes-at-demonstrators-tehran-funeral.html---------------------------------------------------------------------------- { to read article click on links} -------------------------------------------------------------------- Iran Standard Time (IRST), GMT+3:30 11:30 p.m./Feb 18 The following updates were compiled by our columnist Muhammad Sahimi: In a coordinated move, all the Friday prayers Imams throughout Iran demanded that Mousavi and Karroubi be publinshed. But, Ahmad Jannati, Tehran's Friday prayer Imam, said that the two must be put under house arrest and all of their communications with the outside cutoff. The Friday prayer Imams are appointed by Ayatollah Khamenei. In a statement, the reactionary cleric Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, said, "Today the leadership of the Supreme Leader is worth billions of dollars." He failed to explain how he came up with his estimate, or was able to put a monetary value on the leadership. A large number of young people held a march in Ardakan (in the province of Yaz) in support of former president Mohammad Khatami (who is from that province). He has been under verbal attack and intense pressure by the hardliners. In today's Friday prayer of Yazd, where Khatami was born, slogans were shouted against him, Karroubi, Mousavi, and Rafsanjani. Iran's Foreign Ministry criticized the use of violence against demonstrators in Bahrain. He did not venture an explanation about the use of violence against demonstrators in Tehran and elsewhere in Iran on February 14 ------------------------------------------------------------- This is another article , from Al Jazeeer , friday the 18th. Sunday there is a big rally planned , we may see heavy violence by government and the hard line clerics and their supporters against it.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/20112197512326286.html----------------------------------------------------------------------- A example of what the Government is doing on mis information. ------------------------------------------------------ "At least two people were killed in Monday's clashes between security forces and opposition protesters in Tehran. The rallies were the largest to be held by the opposition in more than a year. The brother of one of the men has been arrested following an interview he gave to the Voice of America (VOA). The Iranian government says that Sana Jaleh was a member of the Basij security force, and that he was killed by anti-government protesters in Monday's banned demonstrations. On Wednesday, Jaleh's brother, Ghaneh, told the VOA that his brother was not a member of the Basij and that his family was under intense pressure to keep silent. Following several reports in independent Iranian media, the International Campaign for Human Rights confirmed on Friday that Ghaneh has been arrested. Ghaneh's account is disputed by the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, Iran's state media. The broadcaster interviewed an unnamed man claiming to be Sana's brother, saying that Sana "is a martyr ... in the footsteps of Iran's Islamic martyrs" and denying that anyone in his family had ever spoken to the VOA." -------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link for article}
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