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Post by zibazinski on Jul 15, 2013 12:58:18 GMT -5
He harassed her not vice versa.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2013 13:07:18 GMT -5
i find it oddly......antiquated?.......that a woman can be hired or fired based on appearance. but i know it is true. i see it everywhere. saddening. I don't think this is about looks. She's a nice looking woman but I'm sure she isn't the only good looking woman working for him. Some people just have an affect on you. Sure you need to not find them physically repulsive but it usually has more to do with pheromones or something. He isn't firing any of the rest of his all female staff. As a private employer I'd say he has the right to do this. . maybe. but he didn't have the right to harass her. which he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 13:30:48 GMT -5
No, he shouldn't have harassed her. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2013 19:17:58 GMT -5
If she has grounds for a sexual harassment suit, she should file it. As with all such media reported events, I don't have enough information to say whether she does or doesn't. It is interesting that the ruling was on the issue of her being fired and whether that, not messages, was sexual harassment. My gut tells me that the two of them were mutually "playing" until it either went farther then she wanted and/or wife found out about it. As a professional, he should have not crossed the line into the personal. He should not have pushed/allowed it to go into the personal as far as he did. But he did cross that line. He did push/allow it to get that personal. So now what does he do? It is his personal private practice. He can't exactly quit his job and go find a different employer as would be appropriate if he were working for someone else. He could close the practice but that would result in the exact same lose of job for this one person and all other people working for him. He is basically trapped.  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 15, 2013 19:35:49 GMT -5
Billis...can you just show a trap without an animal in it please. Thanks.
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Post by mtman on Jul 15, 2013 19:52:46 GMT -5
Seriously disturbing to me that this was legal to do. Why?......This isn't government employment......A person has the right to hire and also to fire, anyone they want to. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2013 19:54:47 GMT -5
Seriously disturbing to me that this was legal to do. Why?......This isn't government employment......A person has the right to hire and also to fire, anyone they want to. that is not true. they are not allowed to do either in a discriminatory fashion. |
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Post by mtman on Jul 15, 2013 20:01:00 GMT -5
Why?......This isn't government employment......A person has the right to hire and also to fire, anyone they want to. they are not allowed to do either It's done several thousand times every day. |
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 15, 2013 20:04:38 GMT -5
Being attractive is not a protected trait. The weirdest part of this whole case is that he told her why he was letting her go in so much detail. He's a private employer who could have fired her for anything, so find something that makes him look less like a weirdo. She could have been fired for talking too loudly on the phone, wearing red shoes when he prefers employees to wear only black, using her middle initial when signing documents, or anything else. Come up with something that's less likely to result in a lawsuit.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2013 20:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 16, 2013 9:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 16, 2013 9:14:35 GMT -5
Seriously disturbing to me that this was legal to do. And also very disturbing that he was stupid enough to admit that out loud. See, kids, college doesn't make you smart at all.  |
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 16, 2013 9:39:34 GMT -5
Yes, males being open and honest concerning emotion is disturbing.    At work? Abso-freaking-lutely. |
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Post by jkapp on Jul 16, 2013 9:40:08 GMT -5
Are you kidding? In some countries its a woman's fault if she gets raped because its deemed a man can't help himself. So much so... that she has to dress head to foot in a garment with just a little peep hole for the eyes. You are in the USA, not some third world prehistoric back-water. She doesn't look that attractive to me but are we saying that only ugly people can be dental assistants?... because that would be discriminatory. Don't know if you have "unfair dismissal" legislation in the US...but most places do. and she would be looking at a hefty pay out from her employer.
Its his problem....not hers..... and she could sue for ;- gross misconduct, sexual misconduct and unfair dismissal... for starters. Maybe she will get a payout for this...but she would probably get a larger payout for a sexual harrassment lawsuit. Either way, the dentist is doing some CYA. Personally, though, I'm pretty sure the wife had more to do with the firing than the dentist. Most guys like to keep the attractive women around, its other women that tend to have more problems with them. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 17, 2013 12:59:01 GMT -5
they are not allowed to do either It's done several thousand times every day. so is running stop signs. that doesn't make it legal. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 17, 2013 13:00:14 GMT -5
Being attractive is not a protected trait. The weirdest part of this whole case is that he told her why he was letting her go in so much detail. He's a private employer who could have fired her for anything, so find something that makes him look less like a weirdo. She could have been fired for talking too loudly on the phone, wearing red shoes when he prefers employees to wear only black, using her middle initial when signing documents, or anything else. Come up with something that's less likely to result in a lawsuit. precisely. lame. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 17, 2013 13:04:11 GMT -5
i am of the position that it is more the bosses responsibility to ensure the professional environment than it is the understudy's. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 17, 2013 13:36:19 GMT -5
i am of the position that it is more the bosses responsibility to ensure the professional environment than it is the understudy's. "More" I have no problem with. Exclusively I do. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 17, 2013 13:45:21 GMT -5
i am of the position that it is more the bosses responsibility to ensure the professional environment than it is the understudy's. "More" I have no problem with. Exclusively I do. i tend more toward exclusively. if an understudy was repeatedly inappropriate, THAT is a firing offense. but i understand your position. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 17, 2013 14:07:53 GMT -5
"More" I have no problem with. Exclusively I do. i tend more toward exclusively. if an understudy was repeatedly inappropriate, THAT is a firing offense. but i understand your position. I would also be less to non-sympathetic if we were talking about a "manager". In this case we are talking about a dentist who had employees. My sense is that this guy is a total dope. An aging male seeing life slipping away, a wife that is not longer doing it for him (or to him  ), with a sweet young assistant right there filling his every request (for implements I mean  ). He pushed it/allowed it and then was floundering: |
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Post by skweet on Jul 19, 2013 21:43:52 GMT -5
Guys aren't supposed to act on it, that's pretty obvious. I guess taking actions to keep from acting, that cause collateral damage is probably not fair either. But I really get the feeling that the ultimate goal is for guys to not have the drive, unless she's attracted to him. That's the rub. I think that ladies at work, especially dressing seductively, you should do your part to encourage good behavior at work. Take a minute to stop by a guys (any guy, they all have thought about it) desk, and thank him for not making an inappropriate advance, if in fact he hasn't in a significant period of time. All guys get is consequences for natural behavior, it is time for some accolades when they are able to consistantly act unnaturally. When ladies figure out how to defy a law of physics, then they will know the accomplishment that men have accomplished by defying many laws of chemistry.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 20, 2013 3:32:10 GMT -5
Hitting on women at work, even attractive ones, is now a law of chemistry? Come on. Occasionally having steamy dreams about that hottie in the office, fine, not much you can do about that. Leering, touching, or actually hitting on them, eh, you deserve the sexual harassment charge. I know some of you will find this shocking, but women have a sex drive too. You don't find them uncontrollably hitting on every hot guy in the office. Usually.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 20, 2013 6:41:39 GMT -5
Yeah, cuz we are too busy actually working and not thinking about sex but the million other things we have to do once we get off work.  |
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