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Post by thyme4change on Jul 5, 2013 12:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 12:30:59 GMT -5
It's often the inactive ingredients that get me. I buy Advil because I know it is gluten free...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 12:43:24 GMT -5
Generic pills aren't exactly the same as brand name - sometimes they dissolve at different rates or like Oped said have different inactive ingredients. For something like Advil I will buy the generic but for other pills it's worth noting that just because something has the same active ingredient doesn't mean that it performs the same. www.webmd.com/depression/features/generic-antidepressants-what-you-need-to-know_
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Post by imawino on Jul 5, 2013 12:51:06 GMT -5
I dunno, I'm pretty lazy and uninformed and I buy generic!
And how the hell much gluten can there be in a tiny ibuprofen tablet?
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Post by tloonya on Jul 5, 2013 12:53:27 GMT -5
Inaactive ingridients makes some weak people sick. If they have been suffering with several issues - they better avoid one more if they can. Plus doctors sometimes write that 'brand name only'. And it is not because their relatives are working for Astra Zeneca or Abbot...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 12:55:16 GMT -5
I feel that way about brand name clothes and furniture. If you know quality you don't need a fancy label.
Food- we've experimented and some generic stuff is fine, some isn't (more fibrous canned beans, more additives). Meds- I'm a bit shaky about that, too. I've seen posts here or maybe it was another board about genuine differences between a brand-name and generic version. I'm rarely on prescriptions so would be willing to try generic, but might ask to be switched to brand name if I had problems with generic to see if it made a difference. Or I might ask for brand name first if it were a condition that needed treatment immediately to prevent it from getting rapidly worse.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 5, 2013 12:57:09 GMT -5
There have been more and more reports out that suggest that all generics are not equal. That includes both OTC and prescription meds.
My pharmacy recently changed their supplier of my levothyroxine and I really suspect that there is some variation in the active ingredient in my dosage from what I was taking 3 months ago.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 5, 2013 12:59:35 GMT -5
I used to work for a name brand pharma company. I buy generic. When I worked for a pharma company, our pharmacy plan required us to buy generic prescription drugs, except for those made by our company, we got those for no copay.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 5, 2013 13:05:59 GMT -5
I used to work for a name brand pharma company. I buy generic. When I worked for a pharma company, our pharmacy plan required us to buy generic prescription drugs, except for those made by our company, we got those for no copay. I guess I can understand why a company wouldn't be too excited about paying for the competitors products to give to their employees.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 13:32:41 GMT -5
OTC stuff is different - for example coated tablets for brand vs. not in the generic (makes life easier for those that have trouble swallowing pills).
For prescription, there most definitely is a difference, from manufacturing plant location and control to ingredients. I have had very bad reactions to some generics due to the "dye" they use in the tablet or other "inactive" ingredients".
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Post by Apple on Jul 5, 2013 13:33:38 GMT -5
I've also been hit by some of the inactive ingredients. There is a cough syrup I like that is name-brand. In an attempt to save a few dollars, I went with the store brand--same active ingredient, etc. I ended up feeling really "loopy" and not right. I was worried about driving because I knew I was impaired. I'd never had that reaction to the name brand. Tried both again at different points, and had the reaction again with the generic, but not the name brand. So I'll stick to paying a few more bucks there.
Thyroid pills--switch the brand on me and my body gets all out of sync and it sucks.
As for Advil and tylenol, I'll do name brand or generic, both seem to work the same.
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Post by justme on Jul 5, 2013 13:33:51 GMT -5
Generic pills aren't exactly the same as brand name - sometimes they dissolve at different rates or like Oped said have different inactive ingredients. For something like Advil I will buy the generic but for other pills it's worth noting that just because something has the same active ingredient doesn't mean that it performs the same. www.webmd.com/depression/features/generic-antidepressants-what-you-need-to-know_That 80% to 125% spread is why I stick with brand for my thyroid meds. It's hard to get reliable readings when the potency can swing that much. The spread is also why one of my gyns preferred brand over generic if you were using it for BC - unless the generic was made by the same company as the brand (in that case they just change the labels, but they're making the same pill).
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 5, 2013 13:34:19 GMT -5
I worked for one of the big generic manufacturers for a few years. During one of my stints I worked with the unit that handled complaints. We got a lot of them for drugs classified as narrow therapeutic index. Some people's bodies are more sensitive than others to the inactives and they vary widely. I buy Advil liquid gels because they work faster. I will try generic drugs and if they don't work, I switch. I used a generic nasal spray and got thrush. I use Veramyst now with no problems.
I think part of the problem is pharmacies may get the generic from a different manufacturer every month and all of those will vary slightly. CVS is really bad about this. I get my stuff at Walgreens mostly and the manufacturer is the same from month to month.
I don't think you can apply the article's logic to drugs. There are too many variables we aren't privy to that we need to make the decision.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 5, 2013 13:38:03 GMT -5
I use a generic bc pill. It comes from Target and with one exception, I've had the same manufacturer for every refill in the last 3 years. I take the monophasic ones though and I've heard of complaints with generic triphasic ones.
Thyroid medicines are a good example of what I'm talking about with the changes. Our anti seizure med was another one that got lots of complaints. I like generic prescriptions because I get them for free but sometimes they just don't work well for me.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 5, 2013 13:54:30 GMT -5
And how the hell much gluten can there be in a tiny ibuprofen tablet?
OT. One of our priests had a severe gluten intolerance. He couldn't even tolerate 1-2 communion wafers a day. I guess they tried a "low gluten" version, but he still had severe reactions. That priest is now transitioning to get a job in the "real world" since he can't do mass anymore. Our church doesn't do gluten free communion...
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 5, 2013 13:58:19 GMT -5
And how the hell much gluten can there be in a tiny ibuprofen tablet?
OT. One of our priests had a severe gluten intolerance. He couldn't even tolerate 1-2 communion wafers a day. I guess they tried a "low gluten" version, but he still had severe reactions. That priest is now transitioning to get a job in the "real world" since he can't do mass anymore. Our church doesn't do gluten free communion... Wow - God really provided there, huh? I guess he was wrong when he thought he was called into service. God sent a pretty clear message that he did not really want him there.
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Post by imawino on Jul 5, 2013 14:03:04 GMT -5
And how the hell much gluten can there be in a tiny ibuprofen tablet?
OT. One of our priests had a severe gluten intolerance. He couldn't even tolerate 1-2 communion wafers a day. I guess they tried a "low gluten" version, but he still had severe reactions. That priest is now transitioning to get a job in the "real world" since he can't do mass anymore. Our church doesn't do gluten free communion... Can't he just not eat the wafers?? Are we sure this isn't just an excuse because he was finding celibacy to be less awesome than he originally anticipated?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 14:13:42 GMT -5
OT. One of our priests had a severe gluten intolerance. He couldn't even tolerate 1-2 communion wafers a day. I guess they tried a "low gluten" version, but he still had severe reactions. That priest is now transitioning to get a job in the "real world" since he can't do mass anymore. Our church doesn't do gluten free communion... Can't he just not eat the wafers?? Are we sure this isn't just an excuse because he was finding celibacy to be less awesome than he originally anticipated? Depends on the denomination. Some don't consider it to be "real" communion if the wafer doesn't contain wheat. I have seen news articles in the past about kids not being able to take their first communion due to Celiac's disease. And no, it doesn't take much to cause a reaction. Gluten can be measured down to 20ppm and people still have reactions (some extreme) down to that small of an amount.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 5, 2013 14:20:39 GMT -5
OT. One of our priests had a severe gluten intolerance. He couldn't even tolerate 1-2 communion wafers a day. I guess they tried a "low gluten" version, but he still had severe reactions. That priest is now transitioning to get a job in the "real world" since he can't do mass anymore. Our church doesn't do gluten free communion... Can't he just not eat the wafers?? Are we sure this isn't just an excuse because he was finding celibacy to be less awesome than he originally anticipated? No. He can't. It caused him severe insomnia. Like he was sleeping 2-3 hours a night max for about 4-5 years. Wouldn't you agree, sleep deprivation for 4 years in a row can be a little hard on a person? Our priest was didn't decide to become a priest until his 30's. He also hugely into start trek and an engineer. Seriously, my DH was a geek like that. Let me tell you, having a Captain Kirk outfit in your closet doesn't get you much tail. I'm my DH's only partner.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 5, 2013 14:21:20 GMT -5
Can't he just not eat the wafers?? Are we sure this isn't just an excuse because he was finding celibacy to be less awesome than he originally anticipated? Depends on the denomination. Some don't consider it to be "real" communion if the wafer doesn't contain wheat. I have seen news articles in the past about kids not being able to take their first communion due to Celiac's disease. And no, it doesn't take much to cause a reaction. Gluten can be measured down to 20ppm and people still have reactions (some extreme) down to that small of an amount. A friend of mine reacts if she eats french fries that are fried in the same fat as chicken fingers.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 5, 2013 14:34:22 GMT -5
Depends on the denomination. Some don't consider it to be "real" communion if the wafer doesn't contain wheat. What the ? Where in the bible does that come from? Churches can be some f**cked up places.
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Post by imawino on Jul 5, 2013 14:35:32 GMT -5
Can't he just not eat the wafers?? Are we sure this isn't just an excuse because he was finding celibacy to be less awesome than he originally anticipated? No. He can't. It caused him severe insomnia. Like he was sleeping 2-3 hours a night max for about 4-5 years. Wouldn't you agree, sleep deprivation for 4 years in a row can be a little hard on a person? Our priest was didn't decide to become a priest until his 30's. He also hugely into start trek and an engineer. Seriously, my DH was a geek like that. Let me tell you, having a Captain Kirk outfit in your closet doesn't get you much tail. I'm my DH's only partner. Giramomma, the bolded is hilarious! Regarding the stress and insomnia his illness was causing him, well - I am not a religous person so perhaps I could never understand. But I would think that they ability to forgive oneself for the inability to eat a cracker would be a good quality for a priest to have.
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Post by swamp on Jul 5, 2013 14:36:12 GMT -5
Communion is the body of Christ and Jesus turned unleavened bread into his bodycat the last supper. You gotta have the gluten.
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Post by swamp on Jul 5, 2013 14:37:10 GMT -5
DH has a captain kirk outfit.......
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 5, 2013 14:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 15:48:36 GMT -5
Depends on the denomination. Some don't consider it to be "real" communion if the wafer doesn't contain wheat. What the ? Where in the bible does that come from? Churches can be some f**cked up places. I don't know where it says it... But my mom has issues. They will break her off the smallest piece they can, but not substitute. She has stopped taking communion except for 'special' days...
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 5, 2013 15:50:13 GMT -5
LOL, oped, you have the best typos.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 15:50:54 GMT -5
Damn autocorrect... I guess I should have left it as mom union?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 15:59:45 GMT -5
Established brand names can be a guarantee of a certain level of quality (unless Mitt Romney or one of his buddies have recently "acquisitioned" and "restructured" the company). Just because you CAN manufacture something cheaper doesn't necessarily mean that you should.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 5, 2013 16:30:56 GMT -5
On another note with the brand names - I know people who specifically want "tension headache' version of a brand - and won't take the "back pain' version of the SAME brand -even though when you read each box they contain the EXACT same ingredients in the EXACT same amounts and they are the same brand name. Apparently aspirin/Acetometophen/caffeine tablets MUST come out of a box labeled with the ailment you are trying to relieve for the pill to be effect for THAT ailment. ----whatever----
I had a loosing argument with someone when I said I had a migraine ... they were adamant that I should take Excedrine Migraine cause it apparently has some magical ingredient that the OTC extra strength 'tension headache' pills I did take don't have. I showed them the box and every thing - but oh no... you HAVE to take "migraine' medication for a migraine. ====whatever=== I suppose if I was sensitive to the amount of corn starch or other binders it might make a difference - but I'm not - I just need the asprin/acetometaphen/caffeine combo and I don't really care how I get it.
Way back when in the late 80's I worked on the code to handle inventory and bills of lading for a pharmaceutical company. It was pretty blantantly obvious from modifying the inventory/bill of lading programs that there were 'different grades' of active ingredients and various 'binders' that keep the pills together. The different grades of active ingredient just meant that it took less (more potent/more refined/more processed) active ingredient than the same active ingredient in less refined/potent/processed form. The 'recipe' vary based on the which of the 'grades' were being used. there were also different binders.
So, basically, a name brand pill will be smaller and may have more 'expensive' binders and sugar/sweetners - so it's more palatable and easier to swallow. The OTC pill will be a bit bigger and may have different binders and no sweetner. The pills roll off the same assembly line- just different set ups (recipes) and get different labels.
I go NON name brand for all my OTC medications.
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