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Post by bean29 on Feb 14, 2011 11:41:14 GMT -5
On whether or not this is related to politics - I am not sure it matters so much on the Pro-Boards where a thread is first posted. I see a lot of posters posting on various threads that I did not see before, I think it is because many of us are checking "new topics". When I post to new topics, I often don't even know if it is posted on EE, YM or P&M. Leave it alone.
I do agree it is political to some degree. We have the pharmaceuticals using a lobby to get the public to do what they want. We have health nuts and some very educated people like my chiropractor who strongly believe what immunizing weakens the immune system and strengthens bacteria strains, and some kooks doing the wrong thing b/c they are wearing tinfoil.
The people in the don't immunize camp often admit that part of their strategy is the herd immunity - if everyone else is immunized and your child does not get immunized they are protected by everyone else's immunization status. There is a political aspect to this. If the non-immunized group gets too large, the herd immunity will not work. Herd immunity protection should be granted only to those who are in a high risk group and could die from complications of the vaccine imo.
Edited to add part of my chiropractors reservation about vaccines was that one vaccine was said to possible contribute to Autism. It was recently debunked that there is any link. When I researched that particular claim - before it was debunked, the recommendation seemed to be to delay the vaccine a few months or years but don't skip it entirely. Apparently in Europe the vaccine schedules are a few months to a few years behind the US ones. I ended up deciding to just follow the US recommended schedules. This is not a new topic either as my youngest is 13.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 14, 2011 12:23:56 GMT -5
Not only was there no link between vaccines and autism, the study was a complete fraud, and the doctor was discredited. And even if the autism link was true, and it never ever was, it would still statistically be much better to give the vaccine.
The reason i think this relates to politics is because it relates to the government forcing individuals getting vaccines , I am pretty libertarian on most things but vaccines are so overwhelmingly good that I think the government should do all it can to ensure citizens get vaccinated.
Obviously, there would be medical exceptions where getting the vaccine was more dangerous to a particular individual, but that is pretty rare.
Also immunization does not guarantee 100% protection, plus even when you are immunized you can still be a carrier for a period of time after being subjected to the disease while your body fights it off. So thinking I'm safe because everybody else is immunized so I don't need to , just means you might be the only one dead or very sick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by workpublic on Feb 14, 2011 13:23:46 GMT -5
my Dr. advised against the lyme disease vaccine.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 14, 2011 13:53:18 GMT -5
my Dr. advised against the lyme disease vaccine. I didn't even think you could get that vaccine anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:56:10 GMT -5
As I said in my first post here-- we do only required by law vaccines. That's all. And we are scared to death every time a baby gets one. No adult shots. So far we have been lucky and all is well, but I don't take risks without reason. A risk of some infection is not enough reason for me to take a new shot. I've read the rense stuff numerous times, quoted it on the boards. No, thank you. Better yet-- you go first...
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 14, 2011 15:20:31 GMT -5
As I said in my first post here-- we do only required by law vaccines. That's all. And we are scared to death every time a baby gets one. No adult shots. So far we have been lucky and all is well, but I don't take risks without reason. A risk of some infection is not enough reason for me to take a new shot. I've read the rense stuff numerous times, quoted it on the boards. No, thank you. Better yet-- you go first... You are actually more scared of the safer thing than the unsafe thing.
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Post by marjar on Feb 14, 2011 16:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 14, 2011 16:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 14, 2011 16:53:57 GMT -5
Seems like Europe needs to take a look at the immune-boosting compound they include in their flu vaccine. It's not approved for use here, fortunately. Additionally fortunate was the fact that these cases of narcolepsy lasted a few months, as opposed to being chronic conditions. Still, hopefully they'll remove the immune-boosting stuff from the vaccine.
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Post by marjar on Feb 14, 2011 17:00:52 GMT -5
I feel bad for the kids who died from H1N1.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 17:02:56 GMT -5
Right you are, ed. It is sad. Look, peeps-- I am not saying I do not follow the law re vaccinations. I am saying-- didn't I say it clear enough-- that I do not take, or encourage my family to take- non mandatory vaccines. Personal choice.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 15, 2011 11:21:15 GMT -5
I was actually thinking about this thread on my way to work. Most people we know have received all their childhood vaccines. How many people do you personally know that had a complication from a vaccine?
I have a brother-in-law that got a polio vaccine in Mexico that gave him a minor case of polio. He has a limp from it. My understanding is if he had got it here it would not have been bad - but I am not 100% sure. I have to ask my DH about it again b/c I am not sure if more than one member of his family was vaccinated at the same time or not.
I also know of someone who got very sick from round 1 of a chickenpox vaccine given as an adult. She was getting it b/c she wants to work in a medical field. It was mandatory for her job, but the Dr. got her exempted b/c she had a non-typical reaction. I think that is appropriate for the individual.
But that is two people in all the people I know. Not enough for me not to get my kids vaccinated. BTW chickenpox is not a dread disease either, although if you read the pamphlet that comes with the vaccine the complications include death and some other pretty serious side effects.
But DpT, Polio, MMR, etc, those are pretty important in my book. Skipping the non-mandatory ones is a personal choice different than skipping the more serious ones imo.
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Post by marjar on Feb 15, 2011 11:26:13 GMT -5
I don't know anyone who has had a serious adverse reaction. Slight fever and tenderness at the injection site, but that is the worse I've heard of. Yes, some do have serious reactions, but overall I think the benefit far outweighs the risk.
My kid never acquired chickenpox as a child, in spite of repeated exposure to the virus. In her teens, her pediatrician strongly suggested she have the vaccination because it is far more serious in older children and adults, and more likely to have serious complications. We took her advice.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 15, 2011 11:28:49 GMT -5
I don't know anyone who has had a serious adverse reaction. Slight fever and tenderness at the injection site, but that is the worse I've heard of. Yes, some do have serious reactions, but overall I think the benefit far outweighs the risk. My kid never acquired chickenpox as a child, in spite of repeated exposure to the virus. In her teens, her pediatrician strongly suggested she have the vaccination because it is far more serious in old children and adults and more likely to have serious complications. We took her advice. I never had chickenpox as a child either (although my sister did). My physician strongly recommended testing to see if I was immune because of the possibility of serious complications at my advanced age. Turns out I AM immune.. ;D
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2011 11:35:26 GMT -5
For those that did get chickenpox in their youth, wait until you get older and start getting Shingles. Very painful. Shingles may develop in any age group, but you are more likely to develop the condition if:
•You are older than 60
•You had chickenpox before age 1
•Your immune system is weakened by medications or disease
If an adult or child has direct contact with the shingles rash on someone and has not had chickenpox as a child or a chickenpox vaccine, they can develop chickenpox, rather than shingles.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001861
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Post by marjar on Feb 15, 2011 11:39:49 GMT -5
I never had mumps or the mumps vaccination. That one slipped through the cracks. When I was pregnant, my doctor ran an antibody test which showed I did not have immunity and recommended I be vaccinated. I wish this had been addressed before I became pregnant. I had the vaccination and did not have complications from it. I would have preferred not having to deal with this while pregnant.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 15, 2011 11:42:18 GMT -5
For those that did get chickenpox in their youth, wait until you get older and start getting Shingles. Very painful. Shingles may develop in any age group, but you are more likely to develop the condition if:
•You are older than 60
•You had chickenpox before age 1
•Your immune system is weakened by medications or disease
If an adult or child has direct contact with the shingles rash on someone and has not had chickenpox as a child or a chickenpox vaccine, they can develop chickenpox, rather than shingles.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001861No kidding!! My sister developed shingles in one eye (she was in her 50's at the time). She said the pain was excrutiating. She ended up getting having eye surgery to repair the damage.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2011 11:43:25 GMT -5
gg-a friend of mine ended up having shingles in her stomach of all places.
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