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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 10, 2013 14:39:44 GMT -5
Your kids probably only notice because you make a face, or give some other marker that you are displeased by their actions. Kids don't know traffic rules, so unless you're upset and pointing out the bad driver/bicyclist, how is your toddler sitting in the backseat going to know that person was being a jerkwad? He will follow your lead in how to handle/react to the situation.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 10, 2013 14:41:44 GMT -5
And probably learn to be upset by it, and also to think that all traffic should yield to him. Unfortunately, that will be at the worst time - when he is 16 and has had his license for a short period of time AND thinks he is invincible.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 10, 2013 14:42:15 GMT -5
Forgiving people and giving them a little latitude is more about peace in your own life, rather than validating their decisions. Especially if it is people that will never hear if you approve of their behavior or not. Why get all worked up about losing a very small amount of time, to someone whose reasoning is unknown, for some minor infraction, that you will never be able to talk it out with them. I know it is about feeling superior by being sure that you are right and they are wrong. But, at the end of the day - you are mad, and they don't care at all. So, who really won?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 10, 2013 14:42:34 GMT -5
When I was in the San Fransisco area, there were bikers EVERYWHERE. And you had to really watch out for them because they'd run red lights and stop signs.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 10, 2013 14:45:11 GMT -5
From what I recall of driver's ed (though granted that was more than 10 years ago), Bike's do have the legal right to share the road with cars, and drive in the middle of the lane. And if a car wants to pass a bike they have to follow standard passing rules. However, the biker is supposed to signal when he turns and otherwise follow the rules of the road (i.e. stop at redlights and stop signs, yield ect). However, I do think it's couteous if a biker moves to the side of the road to allow cars to pass.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2013 14:48:28 GMT -5
They do make me nervous when I'm driving but they don't annoy me any more than regular drivers do. They seem to follow the same rules and wear helmets that I've seen.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 10, 2013 14:52:17 GMT -5
And the answer is Yes - they are more annoying. But not because they have taken over the road - it is because they have taken over my house! My husband goes out on group rides, and then comes home, and they all sit there, with their wangs all sweaty in spandex, and drink coffee and download their ride on Strava, and then they break down their whole friggin' ride, and talk about how one guy came up on the right or left, and they were trying to pull, but the other guy wouldn't give it up, and this guy was one second faster than him, and they raced in this one area, but they really wanted to go right, because that street is better, blah, blah, blah. Sooooooo bbbboooorrrriiinnnngggggggggg.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 10, 2013 14:55:40 GMT -5
And by the way? Drivers DO own (or pay for) the road, don't they? Doesn't part of your car registration go towards the building and upkeep of the roads? Cyclists don't contribute, do they? Why yes, we do. We also drive cars in addition to riding our bikes. We also buy stuff, which means we pay the sales tax, some of which goes to pay for roads and transportation. I see. State laws must vary. I don't have to pay registration on my bicycle. So when I'm riding it, I'm on a vehicle that doesn't contribute to the building and upkeep of the roads.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 10, 2013 15:05:47 GMT -5
Your kids probably only notice because you make a face, or give some other marker that you are displeased by their actions. You are teaching them that everyone else is wrong, and you are perfect. Nope, actually that's not how it happens at all
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 10, 2013 15:07:16 GMT -5
Wow, Thyme and Rocky, you guys are making A LOT of assumptions. But whatever
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2013 15:08:36 GMT -5
Wow, Thyme and Rocky, you guys are making A LOT of assumptions. But whatever I'm surprised that you are surprised that people misinterpret what you meant on a message board.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 10, 2013 15:09:14 GMT -5
Wow, Thyme and Rocky, you guys are making A LOT of assumptions. But whatever We have to do something to pass the time. Seriously, what do you want me to do - work??
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 10, 2013 15:10:35 GMT -5
Wow, Thyme and Rocky, you guys are making A LOT of assumptions. But whatever We have to do something to pass the time. Seriously, what do you want me to do - work?? Of course not!! Glad could help out
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 10, 2013 15:11:11 GMT -5
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 10, 2013 15:12:35 GMT -5
Wow, Thyme and Rocky, you guys are making A LOT of assumptions. But whatever I'm surprised that you are surprised that people misinterpret what you meant on a message board. I thought it only happened to other posters since my posts are perfect, you know
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 10, 2013 15:12:55 GMT -5
Why yes, we do. We also drive cars in addition to riding our bikes. We also buy stuff, which means we pay the sales tax, some of which goes to pay for roads and transportation. I see. State laws must vary. I don't have to pay registration on my bicycle. So when I'm riding it, I'm on a vehicle that doesn't contribute to the building and upkeep of the roads. But when you buy it, you pay sales tax. Part of that pays for roads, bridges and other forms of transportation upkeep in many jurisdictions. And if you live in an area where you can register your bike (it's almost always optional, but a number of police departments offer laser-imprinting your info on your bike as a means of identifying it in case of theft), you also contribute.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2013 15:13:25 GMT -5
I'm surprised that you are surprised that people misinterpret what you meant on a message board. I thought it only happened to other posters since my posts are perfect, you know Of course I know. I'm perfect too!
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 10, 2013 15:16:28 GMT -5
I see. State laws must vary. I don't have to pay registration on my bicycle. So when I'm riding it, I'm on a vehicle that doesn't contribute to the building and upkeep of the roads. But when you buy it, you pay sales tax. Part of that pays for roads, bridges and other forms of transportation upkeep in many jurisdictions. And if you live in an area where you can register your bike (it's almost always optional, but a number of police departments offer laser-imprinting your info on your bike as a means of identifying it in case of theft), you also contribute. I know, Nancy. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to all the "so and so think they own the roads" remarks. I'm a cyclist myself.
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Post by tskeeter on Jun 10, 2013 15:36:02 GMT -5
Interesting reading this thread. Those that never or rarely cycle have a rather skewed perception. i.e. the road is meant for driving cars and anything on the road that isn't a car is a major annoyance to me. Until bikes have their very own paths or lanes, drivers need to exhibit some patience and share the road. I didn't start cycling regularly until the last year, and I'm sure prior to that I was just as vehicle-centric sounding as many on this thread. I now ride into work a couple days a week when the weather is nice for exercise and general well-being. Seeing it from both sides, there are plenty of bad drivers just as there are bad cyclists. Neither has a monopoly on poor road etiquette. The best you can do is lead by example, and hope others follow. The more serious riders i.e. the ones that wear spandex, are a different breed than your casual bike riders. Casual bike riders are more aware of what's going on.. They might not follow the rules of the road, but they exhibit some common sense while they are cruising around. The big difference is the awareness of what's going on around them. Serious bike riders keep their head down and keep going despite the traffic situation around them. Casual bike riders will choose to pull over to wait for the situation to clear up or they will hop onto a sidewalk during a given stretch. A prime example of this is when the cyclist is in the right-hand side of the road, you're driving down the street coming up on the cyclist, and there is a car that is parked on the side of the road. Most casual riders will realize there is a car coming up behind them, and glance over their shoulder to get the go-ahead or just wait until the car passes. Spadex wearing bike riders just jump in front of you without looking. Davebo, I think you are generalizing a bit. My experience is that the most dangerous riders are the casual cyclists. What makes them dangerous is their lack of situational awareness, often a focus on socializing rather than riding, and poor bike handling skills (Which includes looking over their shoulders, which often causes them to swerve across the road. An skilled cyclist will take a peek under their arm at the road behind them. This minimizes weight shifting and the propensity to swerve.) The next worst are the young racer wanna be's. They've got the spandex. They've got fancy, expensive bikes. Sometimes they even have a modicum of cycling skill. What they don't have is good judgement and a sense of courtesy to others. (By the way, these folks behave the same way when they are behind the wheel of a car. They speed, tailgate, cut you off, race up the shoulder and crowd into traffic, flip you off, honk their horns, etc. They insist on behaving like a horse's hind end, regardless of which vehicle they are operating.) Highly skilled cyclists tend to avoid bike paths because the concentrations of inexperienced cylists, young "hotshots" showing off, and pedestrians using bike paths as walking trails make bike paths dangerous. The cyclist in the time worn, faded spandex is usually the best. They have years of experience compensating for the mistakes and errors in judgement of automobile drivers. They see mistakes coming and adjust to avoid them. They have the bike handling skills to manage situations that would result in a collision with a less experienced cyclist.
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Post by tskeeter on Jun 10, 2013 15:51:35 GMT -5
Why yes, we do. We also drive cars in addition to riding our bikes. We also buy stuff, which means we pay the sales tax, some of which goes to pay for roads and transportation. I see. State laws must vary. I don't have to pay registration on my bicycle. So when I'm riding it, I'm on a vehicle that doesn't contribute to the building and upkeep of the roads. According to my quick internet research, only about 55% of road construction and maintenance is funded by user fees (motor fuel taxes, car registrations fee, and the like). The balance is funded through income taxes, property taxes, and other broad based tax sources. So, it looks to me like cyclists make significant contributions to the cost of maintaining and building roads. Makes me wonder if car drivers are riding on the backs of cyclists, not the other way around, as some people would like to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 15:53:10 GMT -5
Why yes, we do. We also drive cars in addition to riding our bikes. We also buy stuff, which means we pay the sales tax, some of which goes to pay for roads and transportation. I see. State laws must vary. I don't have to pay registration on my bicycle. So when I'm riding it, I'm on a vehicle that doesn't contribute to the building and upkeep of the roads. My car registration is only $45/year. I doubt that's contributing much either. I think property and sales tax are the biggest source of revenue for roads in my state.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 10, 2013 16:02:57 GMT -5
As I said, my remark was tongue-in-cheek, but I can't figure out where you come up with the above statement, since drivers of vehicles pay all the same taxes you list that cyclists pay. And by the way? 55% is more than half. That's fairly significant. So how could one possibly wonder if car drivers are riding on the backs of cyclists? Unless, of course, your remark was tongue-in-cheek also.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Jun 10, 2013 16:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 10, 2013 16:10:31 GMT -5
::Those that never or rarely cycle have a rather skewed perception. i.e. the road is meant for driving cars and anything on the road that isn't a car is a major annoyance to me.::
Wait, so how do you know who never or rarely cycles exactly?
And i think plenty of us are fine with bicycles, as long as they follow the rules of the road, which includes, and in this discussion might be heavily weighted towards "don't impede the flow of traffic".
::But, at the end of the day - you are mad, and they don't care at all.::
Oh they care, when my big gulp full of urine hits them, they care!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 16:14:07 GMT -5
Your car registration is $45 a year Ours is $120, lucky we only have one car. Our governor wants to raise it by a lot It's based on the age/value of the vehicle. Anything 10 years old and older is $45, so our 2000 Prizm has been cheap for quite a while, but a new fancy truck and you're paying through the teeth, I remember paying over $300/year on a new truck once. Our 2005 Odyssey is about $110.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 10, 2013 16:15:45 GMT -5
From what I recall of driver's ed (though granted that was more than 10 years ago), Bike's do have the legal right to share the road with cars, and drive in the middle of the lane. And if a car wants to pass a bike they have to follow standard passing rules. However, the biker is supposed to signal when he turns and otherwise follow the rules of the road (i.e. stop at redlights and stop signs, yield ect). However, I do think it's couteous if a biker moves to the side of the road to allow cars to pass. Absolutely, they have a right to the road, but they also have a duty to follow the rules of the road. That means not pulling up beside people when they stop at signs or lights, and it also means you can't ride your bike at 5 mph down a 35mph zone. You're not supposed to do that in a car either. But people feel like they can complain when cars do dumb stuff like that and we all call them idiots, but bikers do that kind of thing en masse and we're just supposed to take it. I think it's actually a very good idea to ride in the lane down the middle of it, it's a lot easier to see someone, but they shouldn't be on any road where they can't keep up with the traffic. It's not that I think all bikers should ahve to ride on the side, I'm saying I think it's ok that if they are on a road they SHOULDN'T BE ON IN THE FIRST PLACE then they should get over to the side (because it's somewhat unrealistic to expect that every route of travel, or reasonable route of travel will be a route a biker can keep up with traffic on). If you're on a road it's ok for you to be on because you can keep up with traffic, take your place in a lane just like any other vehicle, it's absolutely your right.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 10, 2013 16:18:15 GMT -5
::Davebo, I think you are generalizing a bit.::
Followed by you spending 4 paragraphs generalizing a LOT. lol
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2013 16:20:20 GMT -5
Not to be nosy, or anything, but why were you drinking urine?
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 10, 2013 16:21:57 GMT -5
Not to be nosy, or anything, but why were you drinking urine? It's supposed to be good for you, you know, like when Kim Kardashian says she's going to eat her placenta. I'm the only thing that can truly satisfy my thirst.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 10, 2013 16:24:03 GMT -5
LOL!! I think I'd prefer your urine over her placenta. I'm just sayin'. Will it make me look young and bee-u-tee-ful?
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