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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 15, 2013 15:13:33 GMT -5
You should take some lessons from Nagge....she can
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Post by Pants on May 15, 2013 15:13:40 GMT -5
I think there's also a differnece between what research says and what health professionals recommend. Studies have shown that doctors are slow to let go of old theories and treatments, even as they adopt new, contradictory ones.
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Post by sesfw on May 15, 2013 15:35:22 GMT -5
'My mom as had 7 heart attacks and has clogged coronary arteries. My dad's are completely clear.'
Sounds like genetics to me. DH#1 died at age 59 of very sudden heart attack. And he weighed 160 lbs. Both of his g-dads died young and all the males in his generation except one have died in their 50s. The one left is his younger brother (age 65) and he has had heart problems for about 10 years.
DH#2 had a heart attack at age 74, one artery clogged 100% and got a couple of stents with instructions to cut down on sodium. And lose weight. He lost 50 lbs (I lost 40) and we feel a lot better.
We now have around 1K mg per day ....... some days higher and he can always tell by his BP the next day. Dr wants him to stay around 100 for BP.
I don't think anyone knows ..... everyone is different. We do what keeps us feeling well.
Dark chocolate has zero sodium, so does almond butter. Unfortunagely pizza, mexican, and chinese are loaded. Corn tortillas have about 15 mg per. While DH was in hospital I did a lot of research on the internet. Found out you can eat anything you want, it's the seasonings that get you. I threw away all my seasoning blends and bought Mrs Dash. We are slowly getting used to the differences.
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Post by Queen of Interesting Nuts on May 15, 2013 15:41:45 GMT -5
When I was back home for the funeral my sister was doing something like that. I think it was eat 500 calories a day for 5 days then eat what you like for 2 days, rinse and repeat. I have probably got that a little wrong though.
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Post by The Home 6 on May 15, 2013 15:42:02 GMT -5
No, I don't think they do know. We previously were told to eat carbs and cut the fats. For those of us who are insulin resistant, that diet is like the kiss of death. We're now told to do paleo. The japanese eat rice like it's going out of style and they live forever. The french eat cheese and butter by the tons but seem to be doing OK. Everything in moderation, and try not to eat too much processed crap. Completely agree. Big Sarge is on this 'wheat is the devil' kick (STILL), and I tried to tell him that it is just a fad. It's just like the south beach diet, or the atkins diet, or paleo. He lost 10 pounds in February just by stopping the wheat, but I didn't lose an ounce. But OBVIOUSLY, it works, it's just that there's something wrong with me. ETA: My dad has to be on medication for his blood pressure, but he has the cholesterol of a marathon runner. He also eats bacon and eggs for breakfast every morning. I firmly believe that genetics has a lot more to do with our tendencies to diabetes, high BP and high cholesterol than our diet.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 15, 2013 16:35:27 GMT -5
I like that theory! Will you be my doctor? Mich, that's very interesting. Makes you wonder what other health recommendations are CYA and not actually what doctors would recommend... Exactly. Several years later, I was watching C-span and they had a panel of scientists that were being questioned by politicians about Accutane. The questions that they asked were downright scary in the thought processes (or lack thereof) of politicians. The scientists would answer their question and the next person would ask the same question. It was almost like listening to a little kid who keeps on asking his parent for something, thinking if they keep asking that the answer will change. It got outrageous when the politicians wanted the scientists to be able to control access to the drug when it gets sent to a foreign pharmacy. The politicians couldn't seem to wrap their brain around the idea that dispersion of the drug is controlled by the laws of that country. I do remember the professor saying that they were really pissed about the process because they felt like they got backed into the corner and couldn't base policy on science, but the politicians perceptions. She totally lost faith in the process and that was the last panel (she was a pharmacologist) that she agreed to be on.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 20:15:04 GMT -5
No, I don't think they do know. We previously were told to eat carbs and cut the fats. For those of us who are insulin resistant, that diet is like the kiss of death. We're now told to do paleo. The japanese eat rice like it's going out of style and they live forever. The french eat cheese and butter by the tons but seem to be doing OK. Everything in moderation, and try not to eat too much processed crap. Completely agree. Big Sarge is on this 'wheat is the devil' kick (STILL), and I tried to tell him that it is just a fad. It's just like the south beach diet, or the atkins diet, or paleo. He lost 10 pounds in February just by stopping the wheat, but I didn't lose an ounce. But OBVIOUSLY, it works, it's just that there's something wrong with me. ETA: My dad has to be on medication for his blood pressure, but he has the cholesterol of a marathon runner. He also eats bacon and eggs for breakfast every morning. I firmly believe that genetics has a lot more to do with our tendencies to diabetes, high BP and high cholesterol than our diet. just a nit....south beach is not a diet, it's a way of eating....you don't do it for a little while and then go back to your old way of eating....it's actually one of the more normal ones out there - allows chocolate and wine and you don't have to give up anything after the first 2 weeks.
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Post by milee on May 16, 2013 5:37:09 GMT -5
One of my friends had some medical issues and the doctor told her she could only have one glass of wine a day. She was devastated since she really, really enjoyed her red wine. So for Christmas, I got her one of those glasses that holds an entire bottle of wine. She's very happy with her one glass of wine now.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 7:37:54 GMT -5
Funny enough I was just reading about this new fad diet called "Intermittent Fasting". ANd Ic ome here and see this thread Intermittent Fasting (IF) basically means you eat normally for 5 days of the week. And you consume fewer than 500 calories the other 2 days. The 2 days can be chosen as one wants i.e. they don't have to be consecutive days. People are swearing by it !! I don't know. I can see some benefit out of it. It will definitely give the stomach and the digestive system some much needed rest. But there is always the worry of too few calories leading to fatigue, headaches etc. I've been doing that for over 2 years; stumbled onto it myself (there's now a book on it that refers to it as 5:2 fasting). I'm 5'7 and started at 147 lbs. and am down to 129, which is less than I weighed when I got out of HS. Not for everyone but it suits me. I work out for an hour a day on average, so I allow myself closer to 1,000 calories on fast days. At 60, I'm not on any prescriptions, I love the shape my body is in (too bad about the grey hair, the glasses and the frown lines) and I'm signed up for a sprint triathlon next month. It's partly good genes, partly work and discipline and partly luck. As far as diet, I try not to get too crazy about the latest thinking. Heck, if I did everything Dr. Oz touted I'd be living on blueberries, flax seed and vitamin supplements. I exercise moderation most of the time (including the occasional indulgence in empty calories) and try to minimize processed food. Today we're leaving for Paris. I am NOT going to exercise moderation in consuming wine, cheese and pastry.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 16, 2013 7:51:16 GMT -5
I can't remember a time when there was any kind of consensus. Hence I'm not sure a singular "truth" ever existed. I learned the Proteins/Grains/Fruits n' Veggies/Dairy wheel in school and that's good enough for me. Add to that the fact that variety is the spice of life, and (as Swamp says) everything in moderation, and there's my crack diet.
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Post by happyhoix on May 16, 2013 8:02:01 GMT -5
Personally I don't think medical science really knows about a lot of stuff.
Like if your baby should sleep on his back or stomach. When DS was born my pediatrician insisted he had to sleep on his back, because if a baby is on his stomach and vomits, he can aspirate his vomit and die.
Then I heard they switched to putting them on their stomachs, because if they're on their backs, if they vomit, they can aspirate the vomit and die.
I don't know what the current advice is. Hang them by their toes to a clothesline like bats, I guess.
Same thing with eggs. Used to be, eggs killed you. Then they were good protein. Then only the egg whites are good. Then the eggs are good, but the bread and bacon you eat with the eggs will kill you. I don't know what the 'official' stance on eggs is now. I kind of ignore most of that. I survived being driven around in a basket in my mom's car (no baby seats), and never wearing a seatbelt until I was a teenager. I played with toys with sharp pointy ends (remember yard darts?) and I'm sure the house I grew up in had lead based paint. I figure I have to be a pretty tough old broad to have survived so far.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 16, 2013 8:07:17 GMT -5
The bacon and toast are OK, so long as you hang them by their toes from a clothesline like bats.
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Post by gs11rmb on May 16, 2013 8:13:17 GMT -5
The nutritionist at work follows the paleo diet and avoids wheat. I was curious because bread has been such a staple in the human diet for thousands of years. She told me that the bread our grandparents consumed is very different from the breads of today and the way it is processed does not allow our bodies to digest it properly. I have not gone 'full paleo' but I have cut down the amount of bread in my diet and have lost about 10 pounds with just 8 more to go and I'm back to my first pre-pregnancy weight .
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Post by sapphire12 on May 16, 2013 8:27:20 GMT -5
I agree with Almost40, I think most are too sedentary.
I also detest the fact that food has so many unnecessary additives in it today. Trying to find Grape Jelly with no high fructose corn syrup can be challenging. I don't see a need for HFCS and food made with it tastes sweeter to me. My taste buds don't care for overly sweet things.
My preferred "diet" of choice is the Mediterranean diet. I like the foods in this one and it's pretty easy for me to follow. I do have a weakness for Turkey Hill ice cream though. My goal is to eat everything in moderation, exercise regularly and get enough rest. This approach usually works when I adhere to it. HeHe.
Hopefully, the weather will remain warm for the next few months and I will go outside and walk.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 8:30:03 GMT -5
I am on a see food diet.
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Post by gooddecisions on May 16, 2013 8:45:13 GMT -5
John Stossel did a "give me a break" segment on salt back in 2000. I saw it in college, 13 years ago. I couldn't find the video, but he's ranted about it plenty since then, like in this 2005 article. "Cutler decided that Americans should eat less salt because high blood pressure can lead to heart disease and eating less salt can lower blood pressure. It's a plausible theory, but it doesn't prove that less salt leads to less heart disease. Too many other things may be going on... ...There isn't enough scientific research to justify the government's anti-salt campaign, and there definitely isn't enough to justify Cutler's 2,400-milligram limit... ...there isn't a single bit of evidence that suggests 2,400 milligrams is better than 2,100 or 3,700..." ...some people should cut back on salt, but for most people, it's pointless. Some studies have found that those who ate the least salt were four times more likely to have heart attacks..."
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 10:12:28 GMT -5
I agree with Almost40, I think most are too sedentary. I also detest the fact that food has so many unnecessary additives in it today. Trying to find Grape Jelly with no high fructose corn syrup can be challenging. I don't see a need for HFCS and food made with it tastes sweeter to me. My taste buds don't care for overly sweet things. My preferred "diet" of choice is the Mediterranean diet. I like the foods in this one and it's pretty easy for me to follow. I do have a weakness for Turkey Hill ice cream though. My goal is to eat everything in moderation, exercise regularly and get enough rest. This approach usually works when I adhere to it. HeHe. Hopefully, the weather will remain warm for the next few months and I will go outside and walk. Try grape jam instead.
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Post by formerroomate99 on May 16, 2013 10:29:39 GMT -5
I guess one reason why unsolicited medical advice never bothered me was because my health profile has always made me the exception to many of the rules.
As for the diet advice, I'd be willing to guess that if a person with a scientific background actually read the last 30 years of studies, they'd find that the diet advice hasn't changed nearly as much as what lay people get filterd through the news media.
You also have the fact that getting doctors to properly design their studies is like hearding cats. These guys often can't be bothered to consult the statisticians before designing their studies, and as a result, you get studies that don't give the whole picture because they weren't designed right. For example, I got sent for a second ultrasound when I was pregnant because my belly wasn't growing as fast as they thought it should. But my OB admitted that when the doctors created these norms, they didn't bother to take into account the woman's size and shape. Since I'm a very tall woman with large hips, it is utterly ridiculous to expect me to get as big as an average sized woman gets. And by the way, my baby was almost 9 pounds. Another example is the false coffee miscarriage connection they made in the 90's. Women who have morning sickness are a heck of a lot less likely to continue their coffee habbit, and it is the absence of morning sickness, not a single cup of coffee in the morning, that is associated with higher miscarriage rates.
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Post by movingforward on May 16, 2013 10:43:43 GMT -5
Our font desk person is on a 7 day detox where she only consumes water with lemon and spinach. She is on day 4 and looks like total crap. I am honestly afraid she is going to pass out from not eating. I just asked her if she is okay and her response was yes, she knows the cleanse is working because she feels really bad, has a headache, is very tired and irritable so that means it is doing what it is supposed to do. Hmmm... okay, sounds really healthy to me
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Post by Pants on May 16, 2013 10:48:33 GMT -5
Funny enough I was just reading about this new fad diet called "Intermittent Fasting". ANd Ic ome here and see this thread Intermittent Fasting (IF) basically means you eat normally for 5 days of the week. And you consume fewer than 500 calories the other 2 days. The 2 days can be chosen as one wants i.e. they don't have to be consecutive days. People are swearing by it !! I don't know. I can see some benefit out of it. It will definitely give the stomach and the digestive system some much needed rest. But there is always the worry of too few calories leading to fatigue, headaches etc. I've been doing that for over 2 years; stumbled onto it myself (there's now a book on it that refers to it as 5:2 fasting). I'm 5'7 and started at 147 lbs. and am down to 129, which is less than I weighed when I got out of HS. Not for everyone but it suits me. I work out for an hour a day on average, so I allow myself closer to 1,000 calories on fast days. At 60, I'm not on any prescriptions, I love the shape my body is in (too bad about the grey hair, the glasses and the frown lines) and I'm signed up for a sprint triathlon next month. It's partly good genes, partly work and discipline and partly luck. As far as diet, I try not to get too crazy about the latest thinking. Heck, if I did everything Dr. Oz touted I'd be living on blueberries, flax seed and vitamin supplements. I exercise moderation most of the time (including the occasional indulgence in empty calories) and try to minimize processed food. Today we're leaving for Paris. I am NOT going to exercise moderation in consuming wine, cheese and pastry. Wow, I can't imagine doing that! I get cranky if I don't eat every couple hours. But it's really just calorie restriction, it makes sense that you would lose weight on it.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 16, 2013 10:58:32 GMT -5
No, I don't think they do know. We previously were told to eat carbs and cut the fats. For those of us who are insulin resistant, that diet is like the kiss of death. We're now told to do paleo. The japanese eat rice like it's going out of style and they live forever. The french eat cheese and butter by the tons but seem to be doing OK. Everything in moderation, and try not to eat too much processed crap. Completely agree. Big Sarge is on this 'wheat is the devil' kick (STILL), and I tried to tell him that it is just a fad. It's just like the south beach diet, or the atkins diet, or paleo. He lost 10 pounds in February just by stopping the wheat, but I didn't lose an ounce. But OBVIOUSLY, it works, it's just that there's something wrong with me. ETA: My dad has to be on medication for his blood pressure, but he has the cholesterol of a marathon runner. He also eats bacon and eggs for breakfast every morning. I firmly believe that genetics has a lot more to do with our tendencies to diabetes, high BP and high cholesterol than our diet. I lost 15lbs when I went gluten-free. Not because of the wheat, but because I essentially cut out all junk since I was too cheap to buy special gluten-free treats. Felt a million times better but it was probably because my diet consisted of mostly fresh fruits & veggies with some lean meats for protein.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2013 11:01:24 GMT -5
I think there's also a differnece between what research says and what health professionals recommend. Studies have shown that doctors are slow to let go of old theories and treatments, even as they adopt new, contradictory ones. I was starting to doubt the quality of my OB/GYN before my son was born, but after he was born I read one of those articles like 8 myths of pregnancy (or something) and every one of them my doctor had given me as medical advice. I have since switched doctors.
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Post by swamp on May 16, 2013 11:05:36 GMT -5
My OB/GYN told me pregnant women are going to eat what they want, so unless there is some dire reason to restrict diet, eat whatever you want and don't listen to the scare stories.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2013 11:07:14 GMT -5
I just asked her if she is okay and her response was yes, she knows the cleanse is working because she feels really bad, has a headache, is very tired and irritable so that means it is doing what it is supposed to do
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Post by sapphire12 on May 16, 2013 11:09:30 GMT -5
I agree with Almost40, I think most are too sedentary. I also detest the fact that food has so many unnecessary additives in it today. Trying to find Grape Jelly with no high fructose corn syrup can be challenging. I don't see a need for HFCS and food made with it tastes sweeter to me. My taste buds don't care for overly sweet things. My preferred "diet" of choice is the Mediterranean diet. I like the foods in this one and it's pretty easy for me to follow. I do have a weakness for Turkey Hill ice cream though. My goal is to eat everything in moderation, exercise regularly and get enough rest. This approach usually works when I adhere to it. HeHe. Hopefully, the weather will remain warm for the next few months and I will go outside and walk. Try grape jam instead. Thanks, but I think jam is sweeter than jelly. Welch's makes a grape jelly without the HFCS. The next time I buy jelly, I'll probably buy it at Trader Joe's; the search should be less challenging.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 16, 2013 11:16:08 GMT -5
Thanks, but I think jam is sweeter than jelly. Welch's makes a grape jelly without the HFCS. The next time I buy jelly, I'll probably buy it at Trader Joe's; the search should be less challenging. Why not make your own? It is not that hard and you control the ingredients.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2013 11:16:42 GMT -5
The things she told me were like the don't sleep on your back, only on your side (which was miserable for me), and something about wearing support hose, and something else. I can't remember. I've blocked out that time frame.
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Post by movingforward on May 16, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
The things she told me were like the don't sleep on your back, only on your side (which was miserable for me), and something about wearing support hose, and something else. I can't remember. I've blocked out that time frame. Support hose I don't why I find that so funny - I just do!
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2013 11:20:16 GMT -5
Thanks, but I think jam is sweeter than jelly. Welch's makes a grape jelly without the HFCS. The next time I buy jelly, I'll probably buy it at Trader Joe's; the search should be less challenging. Why not make your own? It is not that hard and you control the ingredients. I was surprised how easy it was to make jam. And I didn't bother canning it. I just made a small batch and we ate it quickly, so I just put it in a bowl and covered it and left it in the fridge. I think the canning part is the PIA. So, if you can make a small batch each week - it would only take about 20 minutes - most of which is cooking time.
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