Glenn Beck NAILS it...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Thanks for that- if you don't mind, I'll leave the other thread alone until the dust settles?

This winter Brazil was hit by some of the worst flooding that nation has ever seen. This has substantially hampered food production in that country- I read this at the not Glenn Beck Reuter's news service...
www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/20/us-brazil-rains-idUSTRE70I68P20110120

[Tennesseer]

That's fine palmbeachpaul.

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Hey, paul, I just heard talk on TV about this. Some expert is saying the way to fix this is to stop the farm subsidies. I'm afraid I did not read all of your articles yet. Is it true that ethanol, farm subsidies, and the like is responsible for this food shortage, aside from droughts, etc? I'll go look through your links now and see if that is covered somewhere.

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Lots of trouble all over the place, sounds like. So, US and the corn because of ethanol, Russia and wheat.. we don't grow wheat much any more, do we? I remember a few years ago hearing we are importing most of our wheat, and farmers are switching to corn-- for ethanol, and getting gov't money for doing it. Sounds like it is true that food prices are going to go way up-- just like my utility prices have been going up every few months for the last couple of years. I think all that stuff trae posts is true, but I don't have a way to protect myself, since I have no assets to protect, so I just read it and move on. Scary stuff.

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Feb 12, 2011 11:32:31 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Hey, paul, I just heard talk on TV about this. Some expert is saying the way to fix this is to stop the farm subsidies. I'm afraid I did not read all of your articles yet. Is it true that ethanol, farm subsidies, and the like is responsible for this food shortage, aside from droughts, etc? I'll go look through your links now and see if that is covered somewhere.

Several articles point to demand from the ethanol industry as the reason for the shortage of corn, as well as drought and flooding as the reason for other food shortages.

Most articles didn't address the effect of plain old inflation on food prices. I suspect they're in denial.

[Tennesseer]

palmbeachpaul-after review by other mods, it has been determined your posts were not in violation of the CoC.

I am sorry for the confusion.

Tennesseer/Moderator

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

No worries- I trust you were being fair, and it was an extremely long post. Thanks for checking for me.

[EVT1]

A broken clock is right twice a day. Of course some of the stuff he says will be right, or be based on some underlying facts- the same with Rush- it is the massive amount of twisting and leaps to inane conclusions that gets him called out- and rightfully so IMO- as a loon. I have no problem with that until his craziness gets passed of as real news- which FOX does a horrible job of policing seeing how they seamlessly go back and forth between news and opinion. Here's a hint- if you are quoting something Beck (or Rush, Hannity,etc.) says, you are not using a credible source.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 12, 2011 22:29:33 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

A broken clock is right twice a day. Of course some of the stuff he says will be right, or be based on some underlying facts- the same with Rush- it is the massive amount of twisting and leaps to inane conclusions that gets him called out- and rightfully so IMO- as a loon. I have no problem with that until his craziness gets passed of as real news- which FOX does a horrible job of policing seeing how they seamlessly go back and forth between news and opinion. Here's a hint- if you are quoting something Beck (or Rush, Hannity,etc.) says, you are not using a credible source.

For example? Please be as specific as possible, and don't just throw a quote out there- please make sure the "crazy" quote has been refuted- and the source of alleged refutation.

If it goes on all the time- Rush has been on the air for over 20 years-- it shouldn't be difficult to come up with ONE (1) specific example.

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Feb 12, 2011 23:59:21 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Feb 12, 2011 22:29:33 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

A broken clock is right twice a day. Of course some of the stuff he says will be right, or be based on some underlying facts- the same with Rush- it is the massive amount of twisting and leaps to inane conclusions that gets him called out- and rightfully so IMO- as a loon. I have no problem with that until his craziness gets passed of as real news- which FOX does a horrible job of policing seeing how they seamlessly go back and forth between news and opinion. Here's a hint- if you are quoting something Beck (or Rush, Hannity,etc.) says, you are not using a credible source.

For example? Please be as specific as possible, and don't just throw a quote out there- please make sure the "crazy" quote has been refuted- and the source of alleged refutation.

If it goes on all the time- Rush has been on the air for over 20 years-- it shouldn't be difficult to come up with ONE (1) specific example.

I can't comment as I have only seen him I think three times...when he was on the calipes surrounding..with the staff and sack cloth..
he can be entertaining..he does bring up scenarios of possible happenings...if this and that happened..and some might in a way..it's his definitive , this is the way it will be ..or his exclamation of , he will give the answer of what to do to change the scenario..but only tomorrow, tune in that had me giving him the bird in fact the whole arm.
Seriously, to many watch him and believe it is the gospel they are listening to, thats not his fault, his audiences, I hope your not one like that,

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Beck tells people not to believe him, to do the research for themselves. I have often researched something he says, and found it to be true.
Just like yesterday henry put out the Lincoln thread. He challenged my mind, I researched it, it was true-- something I never heard before because no one talks about it. It was distasteful to me what I learned, but truth is truth. That's how we learn. Beck pushes that, and encourages research.
Best thing for some of you is to never watch Beck. I catch him sometimes, and find him to be entertaining-- and I learn things I never knew before. I like that.

[safeharbor37]

I think Krickett has the right idea about Beck. He tends to provide more questions than answers, but he does provide valid information which would surprise many, which sometimes irritates those who'd like for some of the things he brings up to be suppressed.
I tend to think that he goes overboard on his predictions and I don't buy all his theories, but he does provide "food for thought" ["Poison" to the close minded].
That said; I wouldn't vote for Glenn for anything. I think he does a perfectly acceptable job of what he does. Those that hate him are the ones who are scary.

[deziloooooo]

I stay with this thought about him...he is a entertainer...he gives scenarios of possibilities , except for the few tiimes, admittedly few, I have seen him , granted he ask audience to research, he present the ideas not as possibilities but as fact, a happening , this is what IS going to happen...sometimes with a however, but tune in tomorrow for the however, thus he getrs drom me the bird, and i suggest for those who watch hom a lot:


"Seriously, to many watch him and believe it is the gospel they are listening to, thats not his fault, his audiences" Keep a open mind....

[b2r]

"The truth has no agenda" Glenn Beck

[EVT1]

I agree- it is much easier to identify the BS that way. Look at the issue, look at the way it is framed by either side, then you can dig and find the truth. I have read books by pundits on both sides and the only conclusion I can draw is that most of them are full of crap and in it for the money. Is Beck a patriot or is he just selling something? The answer is obvious. The truth does not have agenda, however, Beck's version of it does- get people agitated, tuning in, and buying his wares.

[rockon]

Glen Beck for all of his antics has "reported" many things over the last few years that have brought into question the creditability of many politicians, special interest groups, world leaders including our own President and his appointees/affiliates. At least some of these questions appear to be very concerning to many Americans who still believe that our country when following our core democratic principles and constitution is still the best country in the world and oppose having a President who surrounds himself and office with individuals who have made open and public statements against our democratic government and freedoms. Obama and his followers have not been effective in refuting many of his claims and instead just bash the Beck as a person which seems to suggest that reports may in fact be true and has significantly hurt the creditability of Obama as a person. If his reports are in fact false then my conclusion is that this administration has made a huge tactical error in how they responded to his reports.

[safeharbor37]

Once, when accused of lacking "balance," Rush Limbaugh responded, "I am balance." He went on to explain why that was true, that it wasn't his intent to provided a balanced view, but to provide balance to the MSM.
I think Beck needs to be taken in much the same way. Beck comes up with some really good questions and explores them from his point of view. I watched yesterday and he brought up some issues with the way the US Government and MSM are dealing with the Egypt situation. I noticed that he pointed out what he had predicted and how some of these things were coming to pass and how the MSM was justifying things in Egypt, etc. that they had condemned in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. I also noticed that he interpreted all this from his perspective and in a way to justify his positions both past and present. I don't see anything wrong with that, except for those who take Beck as gospel. I believe that Beck provides food for thought for those who can think and choose to do so, but not for those seeking neatly packaged answers.
Those who simply dismiss Beck and his companions on FOX seem to be comfortable with their blinders on and that is their privilege. But, for those who like to look at more than one point of view, they are worth an occasional glance.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 15, 2011 12:59:15 GMT -5 safeharbor37 said:

Once, when accused of lacking "balance," Rush Limbaugh responded, "I am balance." He went on to explain why that was true, that it wasn't his intent to provided a balanced view, but to provide balance to the MSM.
I think Beck needs to be taken in much the same way. Beck comes up with some really good questions and explores them from his point of view. I watched yesterday and he brought up some issues with the way the US Government and MSM are dealing with the Egypt situation. I noticed that he pointed out what he had predicted and how some of these things were coming to pass and how the MSM was justifying things in Egypt, etc. that they had condemned in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. I also noticed that he interpreted all this from his perspective and in a way to justify his positions both past and present. I don't see anything wrong with that, except for those who take Beck as gospel. I believe that Beck provides food for thought for those who can think and choose to do so, but not for those seeking neatly packaged answers.
Those who simply dismiss Beck and his companions on FOX seem to be comfortable with their blinders on and that is their privilege. But, for those who like to look at more than one point of view, they are worth an occasional glance.

"except for those who take Beck as gospel."
Said the same before some where..I will watch him now, won't go out of my way to remember the time and make sure to "have to catch em " but in scrolling..definitly if run into him, will watch but for those who believe its the gospel, and many do, it's not.

[rockon]

Not sure what your statement about many "believe its the gospel" means. If your suggesting he tells lies then I would expect you to have examples of that. I have never watched him regularly but will when the opportunity presents itself just as I watch presentations by many others on CNN ,CBS, NBC. It goes without saying that many of the commentators on FOX have a right bias but it is just as evident that there is a left bias on many of the other networks. Many consider it scary that our news has been infiltrated by political motivation but thats not even half as scary as our judicial system being influenced by the same. Beck has reported many things over the last few years that really got people to sit up and take notice. They honestly didn't believe some of the "rumors" about Obama appointing questionable people until he challenged them to research it themselves and were quite amazed to find out it was actual true. The left will continue to attack him primarily because he has reported many of these things that they preferred to stay undercover. He's a crazy, emotional, nutty individual but has definitely struck a cord with the feelings of many who are tired of the way business is done in Washington. Good for him!!!

[safeharbor37]

"....take Beck as gospel." means " to accept without question. It is not a good idea to accept anything without question and Beck is not an exception.
"....as gospel," means unquestioning, as a believer might accept the Bible, or an interpretation of the Bible.
It does not require that one prove discrepancy to recommend checking facts. As Ronald Reagan said, "Trust, but verify."

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Beck repeatedly asks people NOT to trust him, and NOT to believe him, and NOT to take his word for anything-- but to do their own homework. Most conservatives invite debate, and free access to information. You really have to go the the left to find people wanting to shut down debate, and silence voices that disagree with them.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I find Glenn Beck a refreshingly consistent conservative. Whereas Rush, Hannity and others are STILL defending the indefensible record of George W. Bush, Beck started his rise to populist / conservative icon as a critic of George W. Bush.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 12, 2011 23:59:21 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Feb 12, 2011 22:29:33 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

A broken clock is right twice a day. Of course some of the stuff he says will be right, or be based on some underlying facts- the same with Rush- it is the massive amount of twisting and leaps to inane conclusions that gets him called out- and rightfully so IMO- as a loon. I have no problem with that until his craziness gets passed of as real news- which FOX does a horrible job of policing seeing how they seamlessly go back and forth between news and opinion. Here's a hint- if you are quoting something Beck (or Rush, Hannity,etc.) says, you are not using a credible source.

For example? Please be as specific as possible, and don't just throw a quote out there- please make sure the "crazy" quote has been refuted- and the source of alleged refutation.

If it goes on all the time- Rush has been on the air for over 20 years-- it shouldn't be difficult to come up with ONE (1) specific example.

Still waiting...

[ed1066]

Still waiting...

I hope you aren't holding your breath...

[deziloooooo]

Feb 15, 2011 15:32:48 GMT -5 rockon said:

Not sure what your statement about many "believe its the gospel" means. If your suggesting he tells lies then I would expect you to have examples of that. I have never watched him regularly but will when the opportunity presents itself just as I watch presentations by many others on CNN ,CBS, NBC. It goes without saying that many of the commentators on FOX have a right bias but it is just as evident that there is a left bias on many of the other networks. Many consider it scary that our news has been infiltrated by political motivation but thats not even half as scary as our judicial system being influenced by the same. Beck has reported many things over the last few years that really got people to sit up and take notice. They honestly didn't believe some of the "rumors" about Obama appointing questionable people until he challenged them to research it themselves and were quite amazed to find out it was actual true. The left will continue to attack him primarily because he has reported many of these things that they preferred to stay undercover. He's a crazy, emotional, nutty individual but has definitely struck a cord with the feelings of many who are tired of the way business is done in Washington. Good for him!!!

"Not sure what your statement about many "believe its the gospel" means. If your suggesting he tells lies then I would expect you to have examples of that"
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A tongue in cheek reference that his ideas and comments have" come down from the mountain", meaning Mount Sinai with Moses as the words of the lord, a comical reference to so to speak.. and his audience believe every word he says as the way it is...

What he says is not the point, never accused him of lying.

He is in my mind expressing, {giving him the benefit of the dount that he is not just entertaining} what he believes.

The fault to me would be that many in his audience what he says is not just his feelings on a topic but the way it is, definitive.

If you feel that way, that is your right, I don't feel that way, and question those who do , thus my comments.

Hope I made them clear to you..if not..well...