Judge: Muslim "Cultural Differences" Valid Excuse For Rape

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/australian-judge-finds-muslim-cultural-differences-valid-excuse-for-rape/


I guess you CAN blame the victim- guess you ladies shouldn't have been drunk on a street where there could be Muslims who aren't clear on the whole "women are human beings" thing, and might be confused about "what constitutes consent in sexual relationships"...

An Afghan refugee would drive from his home in Tullamarine to nightclubs in Frankston late at night searching for drunk, vulnerable young woman to prey on, a court was told today.

He would pick them up in his white 1988 Honda Civic and rape them.

The victim was sitting on the footpath behind the 21st Century Dance Club when Esmatullah Sharifi approached her and offered to give her a lift to the Bay Hotel.

She accepted but became anxious and confused when they had been driving for an hour and she saw a road sign saying Sorrento.

Sharifi then pulled over into a dark side street and raped her in the front passenger seat.

“She began to scream and cry out for help,” Ms Dalziel said.

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“The accused put his left hand over her mouth and his right hand around her neck, restricting her breathing. He said to her, ‘I’ll take you home after it, I’ll give you back your phone as well’.

[sesfw]

'Muslim settler in Europe, America or Australia does not understand the concept that women can refuse sexual contact, that this is a mitigating circumstance.'

That is pure BS.  That muslim settler CHOOSES to be in another country and needs to obey the law of the land.

I remember the China incident of many years ago about a 16 yr old US kid that was publically caned for vandalism.  I said .... yes.  US bleeding hearts thought it was terrible but I'll bet it taught that kid that the world won't bow down to him.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 9, 2013 10:01:33 GMT -5 sesfw said:

'Muslim settler in Europe, America or Australia does not understand the concept that women can refuse sexual contact, that this is a mitigating circumstance.'

That is pure BS.  That muslim settler CHOOSES to be in another country and needs to obey the law of the land.

I remember the China incident of many years ago about a 16 yr old US kid that was publically caned for vandalism.  I said .... yes.  US bleeding hearts thought it was terrible but I'll bet it taught that kid that the world won't bow down to him.

Americans seldom grasp the fact that throughout MOST of human history, and in MOST of the world today a 16 year old was/is a MAN.  And corporal punishment was not uncommon even in the United States, and is still used throughout much of the world today.

Now, I'm not for whacking people's hands off for theft, or stoning adulterers- though this may puzzle some people due to "cultural differences"- but public humiliation and a bump or a bruise isn't out of line if you ask me.

But to the OP, you're right- pure BS.  In the West it is widely understood that "ignorance of the law is no excuse".  Ignorance is not a valid defense.

[mmhmm]

Fortunately, I don't live in Australia.

[Opti]

Apr 9, 2013 10:01:33 GMT -5 sesfw said:

'Muslim settler in Europe, America or Australia does not understand the concept that women can refuse sexual contact, that this is a mitigating circumstance.'

That is pure BS.  That muslim settler CHOOSES to be in another country and needs to obey the law of the land.

I remember the China incident of many years ago about a 16 yr old US kid that was publically caned for vandalism.  I said .... yes.  US bleeding hearts thought it was terrible but I'll bet it taught that kid that the world won't bow down to him.

I remember that incident. It was more extreme then most people expected.I think it was Singapore or another country not China.
Singapore and one of the Arab countries is very hard on even minor crime.

[Opti]

Since this is Australia and not Iran or Afghanistan I hope there is public outcry and pressure against this ruling. Not willing to read the link so I'll guess the judge is male.


Wonder how he would feel if a bunch of Afghan males went all 'Kite Runner' on him.

ETA: Its bad enough we suspend laws for Diplomats. I think any crime that is bodily harm related should not have different legal outcomes based on who committed the crime.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 10, 2013 18:17:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

Since this is Australia and not Iran or Afghanistan I hope there is public outcry and pressure against this ruling. Not willing to read the link so I'll guess the judge is male.


Wonder how he would feel if a bunch of Afghan males went all 'Kite Runner' on him.

It's in a major Western country- which is why I don't dismiss it so lightly as something that will never affect Americans- especially since some in our government are convinced they may rely on foreign rulings for guidance in their decision making... 

[cereb]

Must be a slow "bash a liberal" day in America when you have to go a week back to news in Aussieland.

That being said, it was a sucky ruling and he shouldn't be granted the luxury of an appeal, however, their laws may be just a wee bit different.

[shelby]

Wow

[mmhmm]

Apr 10, 2013 18:13:40 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 9, 2013 10:01:33 GMT -5 sesfw said:

'Muslim settler in Europe, America or Australia does not understand the concept that women can refuse sexual contact, that this is a mitigating circumstance.'

That is pure BS.  That muslim settler CHOOSES to be in another country and needs to obey the law of the land.

I remember the China incident of many years ago about a 16 yr old US kid that was publically caned for vandalism.  I said .... yes.  US bleeding hearts thought it was terrible but I'll bet it taught that kid that the world won't bow down to him.

I remember that incident. It was more extreme then most people expected.I think it was Singapore or another country not China.
Singapore and one of the Arab countries is very hard on even minor crime.

It was Singapore.

[b2r]

   

[Robert not Bobby]

Paul, stop being a one trick pony.

The abuse and rape of women happens just as much, if not more, on these shores as it does in Muslim counties.

You are the equivalent of reading a headline on a tabloid...and everyone knows exactly what the rest of the story will read like. Stop being so predictable.

Having said that, I am no fan of Christian or Muslim religious extremists...they make me sick.

I have always made a point of teaching my sons that no...even if you are half way there, and she says stop, you respect that.

Don't mix alcohol ( or any other mood or mind altering substance) and social situations where it may be possible to take advantage of another person...that is cowardly, opportunistic and wrong.

I don't think any religion has a monopoly on being pigs.

[mmhmm]

This guy has a sentence of 14 years, with a minimum of 11 years.  He won't be eligible for parole for 7 years and will be deported back to his home country when his sentence has been served.  All he's won is a right to appeal and it looks like the appeal has been denied.  That's all.  Another non-event nothing.   Link:

The Christian Post

[Tennesseer]

I see someone getting all apoplectic if the sentencing is upheld.

[mmhmm]

Then he'd best start now, Tennesseer.  Sentence has been upheld.  Apoplexy takes a bit to develop fully, and the date on the linked article in my post is ... today.

[Deleted]

No way! I swear, I was just getting on here to type how apoplectic I was over this issue... Lmao...

[djAdvocate]

Apr 10, 2013 18:25:20 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Apr 10, 2013 18:17:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

Since this is Australia and not Iran or Afghanistan I hope there is public outcry and pressure against this ruling. Not willing to read the link so I'll guess the judge is male.


Wonder how he would feel if a bunch of Afghan males went all 'Kite Runner' on him.

It's in a major Western country- which is why I don't dismiss it so lightly as something that will never affect Americans- especially since some in our government are convinced they may rely on foreign rulings for guidance in their decision making... 

i dismiss it.  i just got back from there, and the anti-Muslim sentiment runs deep and wide.

edit: it looks like he got a similar sentence to what he would have got in the US.  shocking. 

[mmhmm]

Appeal was denied, dj.  That's all the guy got at the point of paul's tirade ... he'd won the right to appeal.  Lotta good that did him.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 10, 2013 20:09:08 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Appeal was denied, dj.  That's all the guy got at the point of paul's tirade ... he'd won the right to appeal.  Lotta good that did him.

i was going to say something about frontpage in my response.  turns out, that is what i should have done. 

[mmhmm]

Sorry.  I had to fix the link in Reply#12.  Had the wrong URL.

[cereb]

"That's all.  Another non-event nothing."


Isn't it usually?

[mmhmm]

Apr 10, 2013 20:11:10 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 10, 2013 20:09:08 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Appeal was denied, dj.  That's all the guy got at the point of paul's tirade ... he'd won the right to appeal.  Lotta good that did him.

i was going to say something about frontpage in my response.  turns out, that is what i should have done. 

Frontpage is nothing but a rag, IMO.  I discount anything from that source and go hunting for relevance.  The Christian Post link is current.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 10, 2013 20:13:33 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Apr 10, 2013 20:11:10 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i was going to say something about frontpage in my response.  turns out, that is what i should have done. 

Frontpage is nothing but a rag, IMO.  I discount anything from that source and go hunting for relevance.  The Christian Post link is current.

never heard of the CP, but the story appears accurate, there.  i cross referenced it to here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128694/Afghan-refugee-said-raping-woman-cultural-differences-jailed-14-years.html

this is a Murdoch owned publication, i believe.  not really known for their love of Islam. 

[mmhmm]

Yeah, dj.  I'd seen the dailymail link, as well.  No reason to believe it's anything but the truth of the matter.  Just a little research would have made the difference, rather than jumping on an article from Frongpage that's a year old.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 10, 2013 20:40:13 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Yeah, dj.  I'd seen the dailymail link, as well.  No reason to believe it's anything but the truth of the matter.  Just a little research would have made the difference, rather than jumping on an article from Frongpage that's a year old.

well, Frontpage ran this story on April 3rd.  they just didn't bother following it up or updating it.  nor did they bother telling the best part of the story.  this monster was already in jail.  this was a second charge.  and his sentence was INCREASED.  one might thing that conservatives would be CELEBRATING this result.

but they aren't.  they are mocking the judge whose motives may have been as simple as to add more time to this guy's sentence given the prima face evidence against him and his admission of guilt.

[mmhmm]

Yeah, this wasn't dude's only rape.  To showcase something like this in the way they did simply shows them as the fools they are, as far as I'm concerned.

[Tennesseer]

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 10, 2013 19:48:37 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

This guy has a sentence of 14 years, with a minimum of 11 years.  He won't be eligible for parole for 7 years and will be deported back to his home country when his sentence has been served.  All he's won is a right to appeal and it looks like the appeal has been denied.  That's all.  Another non-event nothing.   Link:

The Christian Post

A judge granted the appeal.  The appeal should have been denied.  A real no brainer.

And dj- what the heck does "anti-muslim sentiment" have to do with anything?  Are you saying that if there was no "anti-muslim sentiment" the appeal would have been granted? Western justice is anti-muslim?  I'm confused about how anti-muslim comes into play?

I'm not focused on the muslim aspect at all.

I'm focused on the threat posed by idiot justices.  If this excuse for rape works- then virtually ANY excuse has to work.  It didn't- thankfully.  But I worry about things like this because it is indicative of a deeper, rampant stupidity-- and to pretend it's all ok because the appeal wasn't granted is naive.

[TonyTiger]

Apr 10, 2013 20:21:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not really known for their love of Islam. 

Good... the more, the merrier... 

[mmhmm]

Oh, give it up, paul!  The judge granted the appeal and the appeal was denied!  All your hyperbole about the doom that's a'comin' is just that:  hyperbole.  Nothing more.  Just gobbledygook that you didn't even bother to research before dragging it in here like a puppy with a bedroom slipper stolen from under the damned bed!  There is no way on earth anybody can come up with "a valid excuse for rape" from a case that was tried, the perp was convicted and sentenced, the conviction was appealed, and the appeal was denied.  Your thread title and the OP are full of ... excrement, and you well know it.  Sadly, so does anybody with any modicum of sense, or any appreciation for honesty.