Saudis Order Obama: Do Not Humiliate Mubarak

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/09/source-saudis-tell-obama-humiliate-mubarak/

It may not be over so fast...

Saudi Arabia has threatened to prop up embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak if the Obama administration tries to force a swift change of regime in Egypt, The Times of London reported Thursday.

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annually.

America's closest ally in the Gulf made clear that the Egyptian president must be allowed to stay on to oversee the transition towards peaceful democracy and then leave with dignity.

"Mubarak and King Abdullah are not just allies, they are close friends, and the King is not about to see his friend cast aside and humiliated," a senior source in the Saudi capital told The Times.

Two sources confirmed details of the King's call, made four days after the people of Egypt took to the streets.

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I saw this last night. Sounds rather ominous, doesn't it?? Now I see a thread about Mubarek stepping down today, have not read it yet. Another thread about LOTS of oil in the USA... WHY do we have to deal with these people? I wonder how Obama feels about being ordered around by King Abdullah? Would be nice to get a little transparency here, Mr. POTUS...

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Feb 10, 2011 10:53:05 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I wonder how Obama feels about being ordered around by King Abdullah?

maybe he gets off on it. I get very turned on when my wife puts a dog collar on me and makes me eat food from a bowl on the floor.

[workpublic]

yes maam.

[diverdown34]

Archie you get turned on by the mods putting a dog collar on you............ That isn't anything new

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Sheesh,this place is already going to the dogs...

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Feb 10, 2011 11:02:57 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

Sheesh,this place is already going to the dogs...

woof woof

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Funny, Archie!!!!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I find it ironic. Wasn't the left FREAKING OUT!!! over Bush's relationship with the Saudis? Wasn't that a chief complaint of the left during the Bush years that he was a puppet of the Saudis?

Oil is fungible. We could drill for it here, but it would just add to the world supply-- it wouldn't be our "own" that we got to "keep". People would still buy mid east oil-- including us. Would it be cheaper? Supply and demand would seem to indicate, yes- but there's no guarantee of that.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Who told you so?

Feb 10, 2011 10:43:28 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/09/source-saudis-tell-obama-humiliate-mubarak/

It may not be over so fast...

Saudi Arabia has threatened to prop up embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak if the Obama administration tries to force a swift change of regime in Egypt, The Times of London reported Thursday.

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annually.

America's closest ally in the Gulf made clear that the Egyptian president must be allowed to stay on to oversee the transition towards peaceful democracy and then leave with dignity.

"Mubarak and King Abdullah are not just allies, they are close friends, and the King is not about to see his friend cast aside and humiliated," a senior source in the Saudi capital told The Times.

Two sources confirmed details of the King's call, made four days after the people of Egypt took to the streets.

[billisonboard]

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annually.

SWEET!!! There is a $1.5 billion dollar savings. Wonder if he wants to bankroll our costs in Afghanistan?

[deziloooooo]

Feb 11, 2011 10:32:30 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annually.

SWEET!!! There is a $1.5 billion dollar savings. Wonder if he wants to bankroll our costs in Afghanistan?

[deziloooooo]

Feb 10, 2011 11:35:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I find it ironic. Wasn't the left FREAKING OUT!!! over Bush's relationship with the Saudis? Wasn't that a chief complaint of the left during the Bush years that he was a puppet of the Saudis?

Oil is fungible. We could drill for it here, but it would just add to the world supply-- it wouldn't be our "own" that we got to "keep". People would still buy mid east oil-- including us. Would it be cheaper? Supply and demand would seem to indicate, yes- but there's no guarantee of that.

Whether we are getting out oil from the kingdom is unimportant...the oil there affects us immensly..to have in the hands of those who are not friendly to we and our allies would be a catastrophy..
That the king and the important member of the Royal House are our friends for what ever reason..is a plus.
There are disageements among friends, with in families...but they remain friends..still part of the family..feel this will go the same way.
He , the King, is in poor health , aged, was in a snite, and hopefully will calm down and consider who really are the ones he wants to be close too.

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Agreed, tough. I remember when the Iran protests... I was livid.. people told me .. the enemy you do not know, in different words... now there is this.. where it seems to me the enemy- the same one I supported in Iran is a different enemy.. What is the DEAL with these people?? Seems the only thing they agree on, even when they hate each other, is that the USA and Israel are Satan.... blahblah. Does not matter what they want-- they hate us, from Iran to Egypt, to Saudi Arabia. Even though they hate each other-- they hate us more.
I have little interest in how the politics are trying to spin it, on either side-- seems all they agree on over there is that they hate Israel and they hate the USA.
Obama kissing up to them does not seem to be working.......
We need a hard core leader right now, but- we do not have one.

[formerexpat]

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annually.

If our Pres had balls, on the 30th of Jan, he would have addressed the nation saying that the US was immediately beginning to drill for oil off the US shores and use that $1.5bn of annual savings towards building multiple nuclear power plants across the nation to decrease our usage of oil in the next 10 years.

Then he'd turn to the camera and say Yo Abba, f*** your oil. This is why I'm not in politics. [/size]

[deziloooooo]

Don't understand what you mean by a "hard core leader" krick... we had one in Bush Jr....while it's good that Hussein is gone , still....

As far as the title of the thread..." Saudis Order Obama: Do Not Humiliate Mubarak"..I agree..He had a good run..the thing is he probably started to believe his press..that he was looked up to as a great leader by the Egyptian populace when in reality, except for his leadership that got the pride back for the country in the last war with Israel...he was a despot, who had over a million and a half security force , larger then the real Military, a bit under 600,000...who's job was to be corrupt, spy on his people, harass every day Egyptians, act as anything but Police to protect the populace, who's forces used beatings, torture , jail and murder to stay in power which lasted 30 years.

During those 30 years..he was a friend to the US in their fight against terrorism, trying to get the Israeli's to get together to settle their differences.. lets face it , he sucked as a leader of a people , no matter what he personally felt about that, he sucked, he just sucked there, but as a ally to us and a friend..he was dependable and a great friend.

To humiliate him..not at all, and to thank him for his friendship, absolutely. To apologize to the Egyptian people for supporting him..no. Get over it, this is the real world of Nations, problems , alliances self preservation..what what nations do.

Feel sorry for him? No not really, as I said, as a friend he was great, as a leader and good for his people...besides the ones who drank from the trough of corruption and the abuse of the populace ...he as said just sucked.

He had a good run...great wealth...lived well ..had fame...could have made a better exit but also could have made it more bloody..lets say his age, stubbornness, believing his press , defender of the populace{did I say he sucked there?}...but Humiliate him, no .

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Yeah, expat. I should bow out, too. I am not a good liar.

[SweetVirginia]

Feb 10, 2011 11:35:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I find it ironic. Wasn't the left FREAKING OUT!!! over Bush's relationship with the Saudis? Wasn't that a chief complaint of the left during the Bush years that he was a puppet of the Saudis?

Oil is fungible. We could drill for it here, but it would just add to the world supply-- it wouldn't be our "own" that we got to "keep". People would still buy mid east oil-- including us. Would it be cheaper? Supply and demand would seem to indicate, yes- but there's no guarantee of that.

Why wasn't the right freaking out over the Bush/Saudi love fest?

[formerexpat]

Why wasn't the right freaking out over the Bush/Saudi love fest?

Many have stated we should use more nuclear power. You may not have seen it on the other YM boards but this article was discussed more than 3 years ago:

www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/opinion/24cohen.html?_r=1

In this case the exception is the French nuclear energy company Areva, which provides about 80 percent of the country’s electricity from 58 nuclear power plants, is building a new generation of reactor that will come on line at Flamanville in 2012, and is exporting its expertise to countries from China to the United Arab Emirates.

Contrast that with the United States, where just 20 percent of electricity comes from nuclear plants, no commercial reactor has come on line since 1996, no new reactor has been ordered for decades, and debate about nuclear power remains paralyzing despite its clean-air electricity generation in the age of global warming.

Some issues are neither right nor left but common sense solutions to energy issues we have as a country.[/size]

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Saudi Arabia has threatened to prop up embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak if the Obama administration tries to force a swift change of regime in Egypt, The Times of London reported Thursday.

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annual

1. So not giving someone 1.5 billion dollars is humiliating? (Hey, I'm really down now because I didn't get 1.5 billion dollars from President Obama either.
2. So King Abdullah TOLD the President of the U.S. something. Told?

Glad I'm not the President because I would get Abdullah & Mubarak together & piss on both of their shoes at the same time. Saving 1.5 billion dollars plus getting rid of some cheap American beer at the same time seems to me to be a win win situation.

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Oh & I'd also get our troops out of that area NOW & let them either take over running the country or have fun when the civil war that followed spread into their country. (Told the President of the U.S. ...........bullshit)!

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I heard one of the young Egyptian protesters on TV this morning asked the question "What is the feeling of the people in the streets towards the USA??" He answered that they may need help ($$$, right?), but do not want interference. Again I wonder-- what in the world are these people thinking?? How bold is it for these middle east "allies" to just assume they can have our money, yet tell us not to interfere?? Or we could just take our money back and put it to work in this country. Like tex said-- let them all go at it over there. This is my issue with all those people in the streets. They have no leader, and they need one.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 12, 2011 12:23:18 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Saudi Arabia has threatened to prop up embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak if the Obama administration tries to force a swift change of regime in Egypt, The Times of London reported Thursday.

In a testy personal telephone call on Jan. 29, Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah reportedly told President Obama not to humiliate Mubarak and warned that he would step in to bankroll Egypt if the U.S. withdrew its aid program, worth $1.5 billion annual

1. So not giving someone 1.5 billion dollars is humiliating? (Hey, I'm really down now because I didn't get 1.5 billion dollars from President Obama either.
2. So King Abdullah TOLD the President of the U.S. something. Told?

Glad I'm not the President because I would get Abdullah & Mubarak together & piss on both of their shoes at the same time. Saving 1.5 billion dollars plus getting rid of some cheap American beer at the same time seems to me to be a win win situation.

You probably would and the fall out , especially with King Abdullah, would be something to behold...LOL
Glad you are where you are in the pecking order and the President is where he is,{whew..that was a close one..}

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Feb 12, 2011 18:42:10 GMT -5 @toughtimes said:

Money always comes with strings. I would also like people to hand me money and ask no questions either. That plan is not working well.

It's a little naive to assume that because the US government doesn't publish the details that there are no strings attached.

I'm not a fan of the attempts at nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan- though I was in favor of killing the Taliban and Saddam. Though, I AM a fan of the Bush Docrtine which holds that we can no longer hope to coddle dictators around the world with the hope that they will keep a country stable.

Long term, dictatorial oppression can only lead to instability- and that's a threat to the world in general, and the US specifically.

Though, my prediction is that within six months to a year, the radical, violent Muslim Brotherhood will be calling the shots in Egypt-- another islamist hell hole is on the way. Out with one dictator who worked with us, in with another who will not.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 13, 2011 0:31:38 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Feb 12, 2011 18:42:10 GMT -5 @toughtimes said:

Money always comes with strings. I would also like people to hand me money and ask no questions either. That plan is not working well.

It's a little naive to assume that because the US government doesn't publish the details that there are no strings attached.

I'm not a fan of the attempts at nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan- though I was in favor of killing the Taliban and Saddam. Though, I AM a fan of the Bush Docrtine which holds that we can no longer hope to coddle dictators around the world with the hope that they will keep a country stable.

Long term, dictatorial oppression can only lead to instability- and that's a threat to the world in general, and the US specifically.

Though, my prediction is that within six months to a year, the radical, violent Muslim Brotherhood will be calling the shots in Egypt-- another islamist hell hole is on the way. Out with one dictator who worked with us, in with another who will not.

Agree with alot of the above..the dictators who are oppressive..yes and it sems now that it has been examined in detail , Mubarak was indeed that..other regimes , friends..if more freedoms and people are relatively content..national concerns..fear of what might come in their place..I guess in a I am way wishy /washy on that.

It's not a eay job being POTUS is it, in these type of calls, give me a hugh deficit, Tea Party any time.

Egypt, I don't think so..a influential party or a party with a voice in , they have a real Parliment, part of a coalition of or left out..yes, and there is still the military. So I am saying no as far as in charge.

We'll see. that they are calling for hostilitie , even if just in sound , against Israel..I don't believe the military wants to go that route for the problems it brings..sound could turn to actual combat, funds and equipment from us{Spare Parts.. big thing}stop..China steps in? why? They aren't going to give them the equipement , training. Russia too..sell yes, give , no.
The Sauds...I heard what he said , King, but Mubarak is gone, King is very old , not well, Mubarak probably buy/given a palace there too, so they can see a lot of each other and a arangement with the Shia from Iran...doesn't makes sense yet it is the Middle East isn't it.
mmmmmm

[hello fromWarsaw]

Wrong again...Turn off Fox and Rush and you might have a hope of knowing what's what. IMOHO, of course. Nite!

[deziloooooo]

Feb 13, 2011 1:49:07 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

Wrong again...Turn off Fox and Rush and you might have a hope of knowing what's what. IMOHO, of course. Nite!

I certainly hope you wearn't speaking to me..no problem there.
nite

[rovo]

Feb 13, 2011 1:49:07 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

Wrong again...Turn off Fox and Rush and you might have a hope of knowing what's what. IMOHO, of course. Nite!

So how about telling us "what's up". Without further comment from you, your post is meaningless.