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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 17:19:57 GMT -5
"What is Saudi Arabia doing behind the scenes during all of this?" Telling Obama to shut up???
Hey-- did anyone catch Beck today?? Man-- I hope he has a strong heart!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 17:31:29 GMT -5
www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/09/137005.htmlEgypt army would intervene in case of chaos: FMWednesday, 09 February 2011 CAIRO (Alarabiya.net, Agencies) The army would be forced to intervene if anti-government protests push Egypt into chaos, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit said Wednesday, according to the state news agency. "We have to preserve the constitution, even if it is amended," Abul Gheit told Al-Arabiya television, according to the MENA news agency. MORE......... "He warned that if chaos occurs, the armed forces will intervene to control the country, a step, he said, which would lead to a very dangerous situation," the news agency said, paraphrasing the interview. He also said that the United States is "imposing" its will on Egypt by demanding immediate reforms, in an interview with PBS television.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 17:37:04 GMT -5
Yank-- I have heard said recently that there is a difference between Islamic and an Islamist nation. That Islamic is simply-- Islamic, while an Islamist state is one like Iran. I dunno, really, but I do know that Iran allowing protests about this doesn't make me comfortable, for obvious reasons. I believe Krickett was referring to a extremist religious Shara State....like Beck is pushing...time will tell and so far we are a long way from that and the Brother hood is of the sect that allows Islam to be interpreted by "the times "...there are millions of Egyptians who are religious but not to the extent of extremism. It's we in the West and some definitely on this board, who are ignorant of the facts and their mind is made up as to how it will be, when no one knows how it will be. If Egypt decides it will be governed by a type of Shara law and if that is how the majority of the people want to be governed is it up to us to say, "Stop, no...?" In a way, looking back historically, if one ever wondered how were those Christian Crusades of the middle ages able to get off the ground, part of the answer is found here, a paranoia of the unknown, a striking out by rhetoric by a few picked up as the way it is by others..and before you know it a Crusade, before face book and the Internet. So much fear by some. love ya Krickett, stop listening to the ones screaming the sky is falling, relax, smile stop the fear thing , just sit back and watch. I promise..sky is falling , you will be the first I call and tell to take cover.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 17:48:39 GMT -5
CNN was /is talking to the Ambassador to the US, Sameh Shourukry, the head of state is still Mubarak, but all presidential powers , including control Military have been transferred to the VP Suleiman , also the ability to suspend the state of emergency.
This will be / is explained to the US government.{He the ambassador has no information regarding Mubarak staying in Egypt or leaving} Suleiman has ALL the powers except to disband Parliament, no one has that power. He , the Ambassadore, got this from a conversation with VP Suliman...he couldn't answer the question if Mubarak could take back the powers, he didn't have the constitution handy to read it. That was one of the questions asked of him.
Why the differences in the translation of Mubarak's remarks? They were a translation .
Very good explanation...whether the people them selves understand the nuances , what has taken place and will go along with it..thats a another thing. Avtually just now, supposedly the people in the square, some of them understand what has happened , still upset, I personally think they just want Mubarak to step down, possible leave the country no matter what.
Mubarak remains Head of State and all powers are gone, VP Suleiman has all the powers, according to Ambassador Shoukry.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 10, 2011 17:56:14 GMT -5
Mubarak stunner: I won’t resign He says he’s giving up some power, but crowd erupts with anger ElBaradei says 'Egypt will explode'Mohamed ElBaradei, whom many regard as the leading opposition figure in Egypt, has taken to Twitter to denounce President Hosni Mubarak's speech: www.msnbc.msn.com/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 18:10:18 GMT -5
Dez-- the problem, to the best I can figure out, is that the protesters have no true leader, and the longer it is until this is resolved with the crowds, economy trashed, etc, the stronger the chance the MB will step in, (CHAOS) because they are THE only organized group out there right now. I think that is why some people are saying it would be better for the current regime to stay in control for awhile, so the protesters can get organized, put together some ideas, parties, whatever. But-- from what I am hearing they have no intention of leaving the square. I think that is what I am hearing, but this is all so new to me I am learning as much as I can at breakneck pace, so I could be totally wrong.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 10, 2011 18:14:29 GMT -5
Dez-- the problem, to the best I can figure out, is that the protesters have no true leader, and the longer it is until this is resolved with the crowds, economy trashed, etc, the stronger the chance the MB will step in, (CHAOS) because they are THE only organized group out there right now. I think that is why some people are saying it would be better for the current regime to stay in control for awhile, so the protesters can get organized, put together some ideas, parties, whatever. But-- from what I am hearing they have no intention of leaving the square. I think that is what I am hearing, but this is all so new to me i am learniong as much as I can at breakneck pace, so I could be totally wrong. I think you have a good handle on the state of affairs there - and it does not look pretty
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 10, 2011 18:51:46 GMT -5
I just caught an interview with the Egyptian Ambassador to the US on NBC Nightly News. he said (and I'm sure will be found all over the web in short order) that the translation seen on many US stations was wrong. he said that all powers of the office of President have been transferred to the VP, and that Mubarak currently retains only the title.
sorry, I haven't read the whole thread to see what everyone else has already said. just wanted to offer that up to the boards. going to catch up now....
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 18:55:11 GMT -5
Dez-- the problem, to the best I can figure out, is that the protesters have no true leader, and the longer it is until this is resolved with the crowds, economy trashed, etc, the stronger the chance the MB will step in, (CHAOS) because they are THE only organized group out there right now. I think that is why some people are saying it would be better for the current regime to stay in control for awhile, so the protesters can get organized, put together some ideas, parties, whatever. But-- from what I am hearing they have no intention of leaving the square. I think that is what I am hearing, but this is all so new to me I am learning as much as I can at breakneck pace, so I could be totally wrong. Your doing fine, keeping up , involved , history in the making, better then anything on the rube and I just checked for you...the sky is NOT falling, yet, even close so keep smiling.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 18:57:03 GMT -5
oops, 2000 people approaching the Presidential Palace, a flash point, lots of armor plus security, private that part of town, were the wealthy live...could get dicey.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 10, 2011 19:02:15 GMT -5
...with all due respect, dez, it's BEEN dicey...
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Post by humok on Feb 10, 2011 19:21:05 GMT -5
All this talk about Mubarak...If we open the oil wells that were shut down in the 70's scam to create a so called shortage and drilled more wells we the people of the united states would not give a damn about any of that crap over there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 19:26:23 GMT -5
I agree that we need to produce more oil and drill, baby, drill, but-- that crap over there is HERE, too. Home grown terrorists and malcontent visitors here legally and illegally, are a HUGE problem for us. The GOAL of Islam is world domination.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2011 19:30:06 GMT -5
Some day our children's children will thank us for not draining the oil fields in the United States at this early point in increasing world demand simply so that we can have cheaper oil.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 10, 2011 19:30:57 GMT -5
...I'm wondering if some of the irony of humok's post is that, in the 70s, the reach of Islam was not quite what it has become... (at least to the USA)
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Post by humok on Feb 10, 2011 19:31:23 GMT -5
Yes on that we agree but if the american people would grow a pair(so to speak) we could stop that crap in short fashion too.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 19:39:09 GMT -5
Sorry all ..I tried to post a link , it came out bad and the article is to long to post here...and then accidently ended up with thee boxes of nothing...Moderators don't have ability to completly remove to nothing , already askesd so me bad, sorry for the screw up..same story on next two.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 19:40:49 GMT -5
Some day our children's children will thank us for not draining the oil fields in the United States at this early point in increasing world demand simply so that we can have cheaper oil. actually, prices might be up to $1000 per barrel and we can pay off the deficit to nada...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 19:44:08 GMT -5
Uh-Oh-- an Imam in the square leading prayers just said that Mubarek is against Islam and must go.... people are going wild.. 4 hours until daybreak there, when we will get to see what the army is going to do about all of these people that will not leave. People in the streets are saying freedom or death, stuff like that. I heard 10s of thousands of them are LIVING in tents in the square. Tomorrow is supposed to be the hugest protest yet. I think I will stay up late tonight. This is all so strange. I just keep gathering info, but really have no idea if there are any bad guys here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 19:46:45 GMT -5
Looks like the sheet may hit the fan in Iran, too. Guess they decided allowing protests is not a good idea. edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/10/iran.detentions.protests/index.html?eref=edition_worldReport: Iran blocks reformist sites, detains opposition figuresFrom Reza Sayah, CNN February 10, 2011 -- Updated 1943 GMT (0343 HKT) CNN) -- Iranian authorities have blocked reformist websites and detained several opposition supporters and activists, opposition website Saham News reported Thursday. The arrests come days after Iran's two leading opposition figures called for a rally next Monday in support of the uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East. More........
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2011 19:48:36 GMT -5
Yes on that we agree but if the american people would grow a pair(so to speak) we could stop that crap in short fashion too. Exactly what "crap" do you refer to?
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Post by humok on Feb 10, 2011 19:54:21 GMT -5
Why the illegal immigrants and terriorists...what else.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 19:59:04 GMT -5
Looks like the sheet may hit the fan in Iran, too. Guess they decided allowing protests is not a good idea. edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/10/iran.detentions.protests/index.html?eref=edition_worldReport: Iran blocks reformist sites, detains opposition figuresFrom Reza Sayah, CNN February 10, 2011 -- Updated 1943 GMT (0343 HKT) CNN) -- Iranian authorities have blocked reformist websites and detained several opposition supporters and activists, opposition website Saham News reported Thursday. The arrests come days after Iran's two leading opposition figures called for a rally next Monday in support of the uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East. More........ When you first posted that about demonstrations in Iran even against Mubarak..still with the recent history and brutal crack down, while the government , Iranian , loves the idea of Mubarak going down, they too have problems and a demonstration ostensibly against Mubarak , could change over against the Iranian government.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2011 19:59:09 GMT -5
Why the illegal immigrants and terriorists...what else. I agree that if we sentenced a couple of high profile CEO's of corporations who hire illegals to lengthy prison terms as well as confiscating assests, we could slow illegal immigration down a lot. Seems we are already do a great deal to stop terrorism in this country (even without big fat hairy balls dangling out there for people to kick).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 20:41:01 GMT -5
AZ is #1 in the US for identity theft. Illegals have most of those identities. Even with E-Verify it is often hard for employers to know they are hiring illegals. Plus-- I always wonder why illegals are so often let off the hook, like they are totally innocent of being illegal, and it is the evil people at taco bell who hire them that should go to jail... My only comment on that since I do not feel like getting slapped by a mod for being off topic..
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 10, 2011 20:59:12 GMT -5
The proverbial gun needs to point both ways, as I see it. Corporations benefit by hiring illegals. There's no question about that, and corporations are there for ... profits. On the other hand, illegals know they're illegal and should not be allowed to remain in this country under those conditions. I'm sorry their country doesn't provide sufficiently for them; however, that doesn't mean I believe that should become the problem of this country. The trouble is, how do you find all these folks and send them home?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 21:10:40 GMT -5
The proverbial gun needs to point both ways, as I see it. Corporations benefit by hiring illegals. There's no question about that, and corporations are there for ... profits. On the other hand, illegals know they're illegal and should not be allowed to remain in this country under those conditions. I'm sorry their country doesn't provide sufficiently for them; however, that doesn't mean I believe that should become the problem of this country. The trouble is, how do you find all these folks and send them home? you don't
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