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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 22:48:21 GMT -5
There may be an element of classism there, but there is a major element of hypocrisy when a liberal Democrat sends their kids to an elite private school, then tells me I should not be able to have a choice to send my kids to a charter school or homeschool as an equal-cost alternative to public schools...my area has two of the top five public school districts in California, but we chose to homeschool, and there is a constant undercurrent of attack by the liberal Dems who run this state against homeschooling. As Paul said, it's the indoctrination that's the problem in the public schools, not the different colors of the kids... eddie, you really need to get over it. Just because some of us (liberal democrats) do not agree with home schooling, does not mean that we are "attacking" it. We have a right to state our disagreement with it. Just as you have the right to state your support of it. You always exaggerate a person's disagreement by saying that it is an "attack" or an act of "bigotry." We are allowed to disagree with out being bigots or attackers, geez. ed ..can't understand you remarks either...as a middle to the left which is in your mind a liberal..possible a flaming liberal, I supported your decision to home school, questioned you on ot as I know little of it and said to you that is sounds you are giving your , 5/7 year olds was it, a great education...your call, your right...and a thumbs up to want to put that much out to do so. For what ever reason you personally chose that rout ..seems you are doing it well so what is the crap of "there is a major element of hypocrisy when a liberal Democrat sends their kids to an elite private school, then tells me I should not be able to have a choice to send my kids to a charter school or homeschool as an equal-cost alternative to public schoolse that route"...everything you post is liberal/Democrat...some object , don't think you should , have the right, spend your money {it is costing you, your paying taxes for a service your not useing}..yet to you before your feet the floor in the morning..your thoughts "those liberal democrats"..you use the john lst thing in the AM..thoughts "those liberal /Democrats"..kiss hug the kids as you leave for work..again thoughts.."liberal/Democrats "..walk to the car..drive to he train...enter work...the same 'liberal/Democrats "... so help me there is more to life then these thoughts that seem to run through all your writings and thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 22:51:32 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, kids!! That means you, burns. I get the teacher thing, but there are some damn good teachers out there, and sweet is one of them. Ridiculously sticky subject. Like my not having a wad put aside for retirement because I am poor and always paid in to SS, knowing it would not let me live large, but at least let me live off the streets when I am old. Same thing-- all these teachers and other union people under attack that have been in their jobs FOREVER. Yes, we need to renegotiate a LOT of things, but people getting ready to retire are also under attack, and they did nothing wrong. We-- the poor people, and the teachersm, etc-- we just did what we were supposed to do under our contract with the gov or whoever we contracted for. It pretty much sucks to be 50+ and told after a lifetime of paying, that your agreement is all messed up. PLUS-- my friend sweet served in the military, is a 2nd generation kid of legal immigrants that LOVE this country. Sorry-- you know I love ya, burns... but everything does not fit in the box. 99% of the time I agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 22:55:23 GMT -5
man-- like 6 typos in that post.. I need to start proofing my posts. Spell check is no good-- misses a LOT. Sorry..
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 11, 2011 23:16:21 GMT -5
Ms. SweetVrginia, I think you are conveniently side stepping Mr. ed1066's point. It is not the "liberal democrats" per se who are the problem here, it is the powerful teachers unions who think the practice is encroaching on their meal ticket. I say let them starve. You are so mislead burns. It is not about the teachers' unions. You are just brainwashed to think that. Public education is here to stay. Unions have nothing to fear. This is about progressive minded people who do not agree with the philosophy of some people's reasoning behind home schooling. Nothing more.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 11, 2011 23:19:28 GMT -5
In this particular case, knowing my Latina teacher Democrat friend, Sweet Virginia, I have to agree. I wonder how much all of us miss in translation on these dumb boards?? It is very hard, sometimes, to say what you really think, because it is sometimes a gut feeling. Like-- it is my gut feeling that my friend Sweet and I are friends although we agree on not that many things. I wonder how often we all fight when there is no reason to?? Pure Alinsky.. You gotta forgive me for that one, sweet.. I am trying to make peace... I never have to forgive you for disagreeing krickitt. We both know that we are not on the same political side on most issues. That is ok. I love you just the same and I will never have hard feelings for it.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 11, 2011 23:23:49 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, kids!! That means you, burns. I get the teacher thing, but there are some damn good teachers out there, and sweet is one of them. Ridiculously sticky subject. Like my not having a wad put aside for retirement because I am poor and always paid in to SS, knowing it would not let me live large, but at least let me live off the streets when I am old. Same thing-- all these teachers and other union people under attack that have been in their jobs FOREVER. Yes, we need to renegotiate a LOT of things, but people getting ready to retire are also under attack, and they did nothing wrong. We-- the poor people, and the teachersm, etc-- we just did what we were supposed to do under our contract with the gov or whoever we contracted for. It pretty much sucks to be 50+ and told after a lifetime of paying, that your agreement is all messed up. PLUS-- my friend sweet served in the military, is a 2nd generation kid of legal immigrants that LOVE this country. Sorry-- you know I love ya, burns... but everything does not fit in the box. 99% of the time I agree with you. As always krickitt, thank you for standing up for me. Love ya.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 11, 2011 23:32:46 GMT -5
This is about progressive minded people
Progressive minded people? Sorry but I kind of loosely relate "progressive" to communist.
Dear Ms. krickitt, in my eyes you can do no wrong.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 11, 2011 23:37:26 GMT -5
This is about progressive minded people Progressive minded people? Sorry but I kind of loosely relate "progressive" to communist. Of course you do!
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 23:39:09 GMT -5
Ms. SweetVrginia, I think you are conveniently side stepping Mr. ed1066's point. It is not the "liberal democrats" per se who are the problem here, it is the powerful teachers unions who think the practice is encroaching on their meal ticket. I say let them starve. So tell me what you consider a living wage for a teacher ..curiouse. Have to have a degree..some States , if you don;t have your Masters within a time period you don't teach any more ...where in the past you had job security that is no longer the case..devery late summer there is a article in the paper about how many positions will not be fulled that year ...granted they have the summer off and wheere in the past many needed to work a good part of that simmer..they still have to wirk thise days..but so fewer jobs available..so what is a adequate wage whether it's were you live, a different country , or what you feel is fair in the states? And unions you feel is the root of all evil? why ? Organization to bargain for their members..you feel that employers are so fair? You spend a lot of time here..got to ask, do you work..I don't , not anymore so I have all the time in the world but do you work?
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 11, 2011 23:41:05 GMT -5
Ms. SweetVrginia, I think you are conveniently side stepping Mr. ed1066's point. It is not the "liberal democrats" per se who are the problem here, it is the powerful teachers unions who think the practice is encroaching on their meal ticket. I say let them starve. So tell me what you consider a living wage for a teacher ..curiouse. Have to have a degree..some States , if you don;t have your Masters within a time period you don't teach any more ...where in the past you had job security that is no longer the case..devery late summer there is a article in the paper about how many positions will not be fulled that year ...granted they have the summer off and wheere in the past many needed to work a good part of that simmer..they still have to wirk thise days..but so fewer jobs available..so what is a adequate wage whether it's were you live, a different country , or what you feel is fair in the states? And unions you feel is the root of all evil? why ? Organization to bargain for their members..you feel that employers are so fair? You spend a lot of time here..got to ask, do you work..I don't , not anymore so I have all the time in the world but do you work? You go dezi!
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 11, 2011 23:59:51 GMT -5
This is from the OP ~ in case you forgot what the thread was about. What schooling has to do with this is that wealthy whites have "integrated" their schools by allowing in wealthy "minorities." How liberal! Now poor "minorities" get to go to school with other poor people. That's equality! I think everyone has known that whites [those of European origin] would cease to be a majority of Americans [Citizens of the US] during the 21st Century. So there's no surprise here. This has to do with reproductive patterns of various "minorities" as well as changes in US immigration law. The US education system is a disaster at the primary and secondary level except in relatively wealthy districts and the "higher education" is outstanding among prestigious [very expensive] universities. In other words, rich people get good educations and poor people don't ~ except for the token "minorities" that the rich subsidize [Like Bill Clinton (white trash) and Barack Obama (black enough) ~ neither "poor"]. To some degree, this is true of what's been going on, it seems like, forever. The privileged get privilege and the underprivileged don't. notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=2372 & notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=2418
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Post by steff on Feb 12, 2011 0:12:48 GMT -5
Everyone also says "don't have more kids than you can afford to support", which is exactly why we chose to have 1 kiddo. Hubby and I both came from a family with 3 kids and a divorced mom struggling to support us. We made the conscience decision to have 1 child, to be able to give him the opportunities we didn't have, for things like college.
I shouldn't have to have a litter of kids, that we couldn't afford, just to satisfy some idea that whites aren't having enough kids to combat the number of minority children. We made the best and the smartest financial choice for where we were....and because we have only 1, we were able to work our way up, instead of always struggling financially.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 12, 2011 0:13:22 GMT -5
You spend a lot of time here..got to ask, do you work..I don't , not anymore so I have all the time in the world but do you work?
You were not doing too bad until this. What the hell are you talking about? I suppose you know my profile. The age would suggest I should be working. Not everything is real but yes, I do work full time. Mrs. Burns agrees with you though.
As far as unions, the problem I have with them is their power. They should not be able to disrupt management when they need to take over for striking workers ie: crossing the picket line and it should be much easier for employers to hire replacement workers in the event of a strike. I've been through two different strike situations and one time I had to grab some little old man by the collar and move him away from the door he tried to block me. I wasn't very proud but some woman on the inside said I did a great job. The other time the freight guy snuck me in through the loading dock. This is a joke. They should not be allowed to block entrances to buildings. You have to be kidding me if you think any unionized labourer is not compensated well enough. This in fact is one of the reasons the US is near financial collapse.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2011 0:18:12 GMT -5
"This has to do with reproductive patterns of various "minorities" as well as changes in US immigration law."
The reproductive patterns of all races and groups is changing.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 0:23:06 GMT -5
You spend a lot of time here..got to ask, do you work..I don't , not anymore so I have all the time in the world but do you work?You were not doing too bad until this. What the hell are you talking about? I suppose you know my profile. The age would suggest I should be working. Not everything is real but yes, I do work full time. Mrs. Burns agrees with you though. As far as unions, the problem I have with them is their power. They should not be able to disrupt management when they need to take over for striking workers ie: crossing the picket line and it should be much easier for employers to hire replacement workers in the event of a strike. I've been through two different strike situations and one time I had to grab some little old man by the collar and move him away from the door he tried to block me. I wasn't very proud but some woman on the inside said I did a great job. The other time the freight guy snuck me in through the loading dock. This is a joke. They should not be allowed to block entrances to buildings. You have to be kidding me if you think any unionized labourer is not compensated well enough. This in fact is one of the reasons the US is near financial collapse. Times have changed as far as blocked doors..today , with the employment being what it is ...the power lies with the employer...what is a proper wage..who do we compare with..over seas workers...fine..start there then waht dounble , triple..what do you feel is fair...substandard wages are ok...forget personal transportation use public, rent..not buy..send kids on to school...$ think $30 thousand is enough for a family of say four... unions are the reason US is near financial collapse..what is it 7/10 % american workers are represented by unions...many teachers, cops , fire, federal, ...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 12, 2011 0:24:27 GMT -5
I shouldn't have to have a litter of kids, that we couldn't afford, just to satisfy some idea that whites aren't having enough kids to combat the number of minority children.
You are correct. The reason why you can't comfortably afford to have more children is because of liberal policies that promote poor people to reproduce as almost a financial incentive. The ones "profiting" are used to living on 1 dollar a day so the dough they get from welfare in the US is a much better deal than the alternative. There is no statistic because that would be "demeaning" but I think we all know the primary recipients are not white.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 0:27:45 GMT -5
I was closer then I thought , figured it would be higher after listing off the top of my head the professions ine thinks if as being represented by unions..scary as hell...under 12% ..these are curent figures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.kansascity.com/2011/01/21/2601545/union-membership-falls-below-12.html--------------------------------------------------------------- " Posted on Fri, Jan. 21, 2011 11:10 PM Union membership falls below 12 percent of workforce By DIANE STAFFORD The Kansas City Star Union membership fell in 2010 to 11.9 percent of the workforce, down from 12.3 percent in 2009, a sign that the jobless recovery and shifting political winds continued to carve away at collective bargaining. In the private sector alone, union membership fell to 6.9 percent from 7.2 percent of employees, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday. That represents the lowest share since the burgeoning of the labor movement in the 1930s. Further declines are expected this year in both the private and public sectors. Although job loss is easing in the private sector, public unions, in particular, face further job cuts as state and local governments struggle to balance budgets
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 12, 2011 0:29:52 GMT -5
what is it 7/10 % american workers are represented by unions
That is a bogus statistic. If you discount all the menial jobs including part time summer student jobs and other things like census jobs then what would the real percentage be. I would say something like 30%.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 12, 2011 0:36:15 GMT -5
Who are you talking to?
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Post by marjar on Feb 12, 2011 0:35:27 GMT -5
In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were members of a union--was 11.9 percent, down from 12.3 percent a year earlier, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. The number of wage and salary workers be- longing to unions declined by 612,000 to 14.7 million. In 1983, the first year for which comparable union data are available, the union membership rate was 20.1 per- cent, and there were 17.7 million union workers. www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 12, 2011 0:37:06 GMT -5
I shouldn't have to have a litter of kids, that we couldn't afford, just to satisfy some idea that whites aren't having enough kids to combat the number of minority children.You are correct. The reason why you can't comfortably afford to have more children is because of liberal policies that promote poor people to reproduce as almost a financial incentive. The ones "profiting" are used to living on 1 dollar a day so the dough they get from welfare in the US is a much better deal than the alternative. There is no statistic because that would be "demeaning" but I think we all know the primary recipients are not white. burns, you are such a stereo typer. I am considered a "liberal" on these boards (for the most part) and I am a Latina, yet I only gave birth to ONE child, yes one, Why? First reason... I had a strong feeling that my husband (my son's father) and I would not stay together forever, so I did not want to bring more children into a "divorce" situation." (We did divorce after 8 years of marriage) Second reason...I was living in poverty level, therefore, I knew it was not ok to have another child that I could not provide for appropriately. Therefore, I did not! You just want to paint everyone with one broad brush. You simply come off as ignorant, even though you try to come off as professional and intelligent.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 0:37:48 GMT -5
what is it 7/10 % american workers are represented by unionsThat is a bogus statistic. If you discount all the menial jobs including part time summer student jobs and other things like census jobs then what would the real percentage be. I would say something like 30%. Not according to the article I just posted ...possible there is more out there , articles, I didn't spend hours , a bit of a google but I was close , I only wish that your figure was correct..30%...there are problems here but it's not union membership of members..a heavy membership in jobs that cant be shipped over sea .evrn you burns have to admit that. Cops, fire, nurses, teachers, municipal workers, medical personnel, staten employees, federal employees..and on and on..none being able to be performed off shore in some province some where..still only under 12 %...I really wish you were correct and I was wrong so I could say to you.."ya got me.."{sigh}
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 12, 2011 0:44:38 GMT -5
You simply come off as ignorant, even though you try to come off as professional and intelligent.
Sorry you feel that way but I have always said there are exceptions to the norm in practically everything but physics. I suppose you might be one of those exceptions. In the grand scheme of things though, I don't think it was worth it for the US. Other countries are coming to that conclusion now such as Sarkozy in France who publicly stated so yesterday.
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Post by steff on Feb 12, 2011 0:45:43 GMT -5
Geeeez, what if I also added that I didn't want to have more than 1 anyway. To be brutally honest, I could have easily gone thru life having no kids. It wasn't a priority to me. Granted, now I'd say it's great and I love being a mom, but back then, pffffffffffffft having kids wasn't on my radar and I didn't really want any. Once our kiddo was here, we also made the decision that I would be a stay at home mom. Which made us a 1 income family, scraping by. Never took welfare of any sort, not even WIC even tho we would have qualified. We saved, scrimped and scraped by knowing we couldn't afford another baby. Then we started being able to move up, little by little. apt to townhouse to a duplex to a rental house to a nicer neighborhood & bigger rental to finally buying our first house..
I don't see why all of that should be thrown out because I'm not willing to comply with someone else's standard that whites need to have more kids just to counter the minority kids.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 12, 2011 0:49:18 GMT -5
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Post by SweetVirginia on Feb 12, 2011 1:03:58 GMT -5
My sis in laws family is from Ecuador, so she's one of those "brown" folks as described by someone else here. My brother would be horrified, offended, and most likely beyond livid if my mom ever said that she wished their children were more "white" looking. No one in my family would ever compare my grey eyed/brown haired/so white he glows in the dark son against my brother's "brown" children. I can't even imagine looking at my child or grandchild and classifying them by color, "brown" or "white". It just boggles the mind and turns the stomach. and for the record, my brother & his wife don't have any children and have chosen not to have any, but if they did, there would never ever ever be the comparison between my "white" son and their "brown" children. I know what you are referring to, but you did not really understand the context. She stated that she hopes that there continues to be diversity within her family, including white, blond hair etc. Look at what she really said, it is not as mind boggling as you think. She loves her family, even the brown members.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2011 1:06:52 GMT -5
Sweetvrginia and Dezi-I am going to delete your comments (and mine) through no fault of your own because they contain the quote from reply #183. I am also deleting the comment.
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