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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 17:05:10 GMT -5
Instead of who is the Muslim Brotherhood the thread should ask how strong is the Muslim Brotherhood in this country and are they are part of CAIR?
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Post by henryclay on Mar 9, 2011 18:13:27 GMT -5
P.I. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood is part of CAIR, but to the contrary, I am convinced CAIR is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, along with several other groups of alphabet soup muslim organizations. Here is a fist hand account of what happened when an investigator attempted to attend on of their conferences: Gaubatz and a team of investigators recently unveiled evidence of child abuse at the radical Al Farooq Nashville mosque at a recent NER symposium. He has obtained CAIR’s strategic plans furthering the goals of Jihad in America. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the Muslim American Society (MAS) and a host of other Muslim Brotherhood fronts were identified as unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation trial record. Gaubatz started a 50 State Counterterrorism tour this summer. One of his first stops was to attend the ISNA annual convention in Washington, DC over the Fourth of July weekend. He hoped to obtain additional confirmation of Jihad plans at the ISNA Washington convention. However, in a FrontPageMagazine article he drew attention to CAIR’s intent to legally prevent him from entering the ISNA convention. Gaubatz had attended the 2008 ISNA convention and had pre-registered for the 2009 one. When he entered the grounds and attempted to claim his registration, he was immediately accosted and told to leave. The ensuing scuffles led to his being threatened with arrest by the DC Metro police. Reports on his experience can be found at WorldNet Daily, the American Thinker and the Atlas Shrugs blog. We asked Gaubatz to discuss what happened to him at the ISNA Washington convention. Gordon: Briefly describe what precipitated your ejection from the ISNA convention site? Gaubatz: I had attended the ISNA Conference in Ohio, 2008. The purpose was to determine what Islamic terrorist materials were being distributed. This was under my true name and complete registration fees. CAIR executives (Hooper, Awad, and Saylor) had falsely informed and misled the FBI, local police, and ISNA security staff; that I was a ‘threat to their security.’ I had been researching CAIR activity for several years and the executives knew I had information on their criminal and unethical activities. While informing the FBI I was a ‘threat,’ they were informing their CAIR employees I actually was not, but it would embarrass and intimidate them by my continuing research. I do have written statements from CAIR personnel that Hooper, Saylor, and Awad lied to the FBI. On 28 June 2009, I again registered for the ISNA Conference (DC). On 30 June 2009, CAIR attorney ‘Martin F. McMahon’ contacted me with a threatening letter demanding that I not attend the ISNA Conference in DC. ISNA did not cancel my reservations and charged my credit card $100.00 for the conference. I was provided my confirmation number and welcome letter by ISNA. I was not going to be threatened by CAIR terror supporters, but of course if ISNA had cancelled my reservation I would not have gone there on 4 July 2009. This should show the American people how close the ISNA and CAIR actually are. ISNA gave my home address and registration information to CAIR. Readers can go to www.daveg.us (my only internet site) to view my Invitation to the 2009 Conference and my Registration. I had never been asked by ISNA not to attend. To the contrary, I was openly invited. On 4 July 2009, when I arrived at the Washington DC Convention Center (WCC), I immediately went to the ISNA registration desk to check in and receive my credentials. I handed my ID and ISNA confirmation letter to the young lady at the desk. After several minutes of waiting I was approached by men in suits. They did not introduce themselves, and told me to follow them. " The entire account is outlined here: www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/42773/sec_id/42773And I heartily recommend printing out and studying the link krickett posted in 4 above, and reposted here: www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 18:14:37 GMT -5
P.I. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood is part of CAIR, but to the contrary, I am convinced CAIR is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, along with several other groups of alphabet soup Muslim organizations. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=3094&page=4#ixzz1G9BQtYVSMembers of CAIR were on all the networks today because of the hearings tomorrow about the Radicalization of Islam....the Muslims who are going to testify may be persuaded not to appear by members of CAIR so this story is going to be worthwhile watching...hopefully on C-Span....but the protests are going to be horrendous from what I do know
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 9, 2011 21:53:10 GMT -5
Henry you were stalking me at another thread that had absolutely nothing to do with this one, a innocuous thread of where our stimulus $ go ,,,yet there you were after me for a response of your post #84. One of the reasons I didn't respond to you right away, I just wasn't in the mood. Think we are allowed that. The other , after reading all the post here , such expert explanations of the organization I must say, I had a head ache but in looking at the thing , Muslim Brotherhood, by googling..read about six articles and this simple but long wicki link , very long and broken down by all the Middle Eastern countries of the Brother Hood, seemed to be the best summation. Ut explains it , the organizatiion thoroughly, all of it's parts, thei growth, their break aways, lotasof changes, not a one two three out the door expert I am now on the organization They were founded, 1929 in Egypt, their early history, violent , allied with Germany's Nazi Germany, actually copied a lot of their manifesto, delved into assassinations, then swore off violence, those who were still into that seemed to break off, Ben Laden, the most famous, al Quida a off shoot, and in fact became , according to the article in wicki, actual enemies of the Brotherhood, though who knows it thats true. Banned and outlawed, the Brotherhood, by many of the autocratic regimes in the area, possible more because of a threat to their power and control, but still a large political and influential party. While they say they are into the political process if they ever won/win a election the question would be , would they leave office if they were ever defeated, in fact in many of these countries , isn't that always the question, see Iraq today, it just isn't a question of the Brotherhood. They say they are for political process, they desire Islamic principals to govern in these countries, and if so and the people vote them in, then they vote them in. If once they are in and then in time voted out..they don't leave, then the people of the country will have to make a decision. In Egypt, for selfish reasons, self in power and privaledges, for now, I think they, the military will be able to keep them legitimate no matter how they come out in a election. Other countries, I really don't know, not to many have the same kind of military as Egypt. ----------------------------------------------------- Forgot to post link I am referring to..it is long , but to me very complete ---------------------------------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
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Post by henryclay on Mar 9, 2011 22:14:53 GMT -5
Tha's good desi. I'm sorry it took you so long to get around to learning about the muslim brotherhood, , , , the Ikhwan, , , the most militant and cold bloodiest group of muslims ever organized under one banner, , , , , , and I wish you would offer your thoughts, (you always have so many on everything else), about their plans for America. , , , You did read that part didn't you?
About what you call stalking, call it what you will, all I did was ask a question. Why are you so defensive about answering a simple question?
Here's one. I have already asked it, but you keep dodging. What do you glean about them regarding their plans for America? Is assimilation into our society and under our rules, appreciation for and the support for all the rights we have a part of their long range plans for America? Or do you think they have given us notice that they have something different in mind? Something more islamic, maybe?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 9, 2011 22:33:01 GMT -5
Tha's good desi. I'm sorry it took you so long to get around to learning about the muslim brotherhood, , , , the Ikhwan, , , the most militant and cold bloodiest group of muslims ever organized under one banner, , , , , , and I wish you would offer your thoughts, (you always have so many on everything else), about their plans for America. , , , You did read that part didn't you? About what you call stalking, call it what you will, all I did was ask a question. Why are you so defensive about answering a simple question? Here's one. I have already asked it, but you keep dodging. What do you glean about them regarding their plans for America? Is assimilation into our society and under our rules, appreciation for and the support for all the rights we have a part of their long range plans for America? Or do you think they have given us notice that they have something different in mind? Something more islamic, maybe? ----------------------------------------------------- I have to go with what is expressed here..that there are some memb ers who have a different agenda, espose violence in their dealings, I am not surprised. If I saw the moderate members of the Brother Hood being more active in reporting those people , and who is to say they are not yet due to the unhinged violence of some, for self protection they may insist on anamitaty for safety sake, have you thought of that, it just came to me, but I would like to see that happening and hope fully as I just said it is happening. To me , you see a boogie man behind every bush. I know there are some there but am not going to give into the paranoia that seems to be sweeping the nation, some citizens, possible you, as in the hearings in Washington now going on. To me McCarthy all over again, though this time he doesn't have a young Nixon next to him. Enouth response for you I hope? ================================== [edit] United StatesThe Muslim Brotherhood has been active in the US since the 1960s. Its stated goals have included propagating Islam and creating havens for Muslims in the US, and integrating Muslims. A main strategy has been dawah or Islamic renewal and outreach. In the 1960s, groups such as U.S. military personnel, prison inmates and African-Americans were specifically targeted for dawah. According to a report done by the NEFA Foundation which cites evidence from the United States v. Holy Land Foundation trial, the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the USA is Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims’ causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims’ efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic state wherever it is.[95] The NEFA Foundation report further explains that in the same document where the goal is stated, considerable time is spent explaining the concept of settlement which is central to the Muslim Brotherhood-led efforts in North America. Settlement is defined as follows: The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.[96] Organizations in the US started by activists involved with the Muslim Brotherhood include the Muslim Students Association in 1963,[36] North American Islamic Trust in 1971, the Islamic Society of North America in 1981, the American Muslim Council in 1990, the Muslim American Society in 1992, and the International Institute of Islamic Thought in the 1980s.[36] According to the Washington Post, Muslim activists say MSA's members represent "all schools of Islam and political leanings – many are moderates, while others express anti-U.S. views or support resistance against Israelis."[36] The Holy Land Foundation trial has led to the release as evidence of [97] several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is “settlement”, defined by the author as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilization from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions.[98] In another one of these documents, "Ikhwan in America", the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood),[99] as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group).[100] In November 2008 the Holy Land Foundation was found guilty of illegally funding Palestinian militant group Hamas, which is designated by the United States as a terrorist group.[
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Post by henryclay on Mar 9, 2011 22:55:32 GMT -5
I hope you can read plain language. This in particular. And if you can understand this, what else is needed? These people have a history of leaving headless bodies where cities once stood. To muslims that seems to be the definition of Ikhwan, which translates into English as "Muslim Brotherhood": The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 9, 2011 23:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 9, 2011 23:28:06 GMT -5
I hope you can read plain language. This in particular. And if you can understand this, what else is needed? These people have a history of leaving headless bodies where cities once stood. To Muslims that seems to be the definition of Ikhwan, which translates into English as "Muslim Brotherhood": The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions.
I read English very well and and in English, there are no doubt some very sick crazy people out there, mashooganas who are also evil minded, and some are Muslim ,as well as who knows what, and some might even belong to this group , or more likely, have left because they are not crazy , but to look behind every bush as you are doing and making all the accusations as you and others are doing is not my thing and hopefully not the agenda of the majority of us here. How about leaving this, the between you and I , I have answered you , you have stated your feelings..want the last word? Be my guest..I started this thread, so be my guest here. The between you and I , others ? Have a wack at it.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 10, 2011 0:35:46 GMT -5
History is replete with eras of tyrants and murderous hordes running rampant over civilizations after those civilizations failed to heed the warning signs. Most recently in Europe and Asia.
If you want to consider the quote above as light reading I think you need help with understanding the seriousness of what those words mean to Ikhwan adherents. They are just words to most people who, like Americans, are seemingky remote from any "known" immediate violence, but instead of people running away, they are answering the recruiting tool as sure as any sign you'll see advertising '"Help Wanted" in a fast food shop.
As for your diagnosis of my mindset, you better be glad somebody is looking out for the pacifists of the world such as yourself, because when the chips start to fall you'll be among the first to blame it all on somebody else. Keeping the country free from a take-over has nothing to do with you. . . . . right? Freedom is somebody else's job, , , right?
And how do you like them apples, desi? Y'see, you're not the only poster who can "read" other people's thougths and habits. Case in point: What makes you think I am looking behind any bushes, and please point out an accusation I have made about anything or anybody on this thread. By contrast, I can point out several you've made.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 1:05:20 GMT -5
History is replete with eras of tyrants and murderous hordes running rampant over civilizations after those civilizations failed to heed the warning signs. Most recently in Europe and Asia. If you want to consider the quote above as light reading I think you need help with understanding the seriousness of what those words mean to Ikhwan adherents. They are just words to most people who, like Americans, are seemingky remote from any "known" immediate violence, but instead of people running away, they are answering the recruiting tool as sure as any sign you'll see advertising '"Help Wanted" in a fast food shop. As for your diagnosis of my mindset, you better be glad somebody is looking out for the pacifists of the world such as yourself, because when the chips start to fall you'll be among the first to blame it all on somebody else. Keeping the country free from a take-over has nothing to do with you. . . . . right? Freedom is somebody else's job, , , right? And how do you like them apples, desi? Y'see, you're not the only poster who can "read" other people's thougths and habits. Case in point: What makes you think I am looking behind any bushes, and please point out an accusation I have made about anything or anybody on this thread. By contrast, I can point out several you've made. Them apples are you speak of not what you know all the time Henry, you make assumptions of things that in reality are quite the opposite. " are seemingly remote from any ;known& immediate violence" "recruiting tool ", yep we all did that, lol, "glad somebody is looking out for the pacifists of the world such as yourself" you are so over the top Henry you do realize that, with your "God Bless America " BS..been there , done it, ones like you, get ones like me killed and the mission unfulfilled, so stuff it. "Keeping the country free from a take-over has nothing to do with you" Your rhetoric will make sure the freedom is for a select group and folks like you , if allowed , will be the ones to choose that group if we let you have your way, we won't. "Freedom is somebody else's job, , , right?" Now, physically fighting and serving there , I am afraid so, but here, we'll keep watching the crazzies and making sure they don't use patriotism and professed love of country in a negative way to deminsh its good qualities, that's a battle too you know.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 10, 2011 1:45:18 GMT -5
"..............Them apples are you speak of not what you know all the time Henry...." What in Heaven's name does THAT mean? "...........you are so over the top Henry you do realize that, with your "God Bless America " BS......." Hey, everybody, desi just attacked me for singing the National Anthem. "..........Your rhetoric will make sure the freedom is for a select group and folks like you , if allowed , will be the ones to choose that group if we let you have your way, we won't......." we won't? we won't what?, , , be there? If you think you can maintain your freedoms by belittling others on a internet board, you probably won't . . . whatever it is that you "won't" "........"Freedom is somebody else's job, , , right?" Now, physically fighting and serving there , I am afraid so........" Now why did I suspect that the cost of freedom was too high for you if you had to fight for it? But you'll sure be first in line for a share if somebody "else" does the fighting, huh? Why did I suspect you felt that way all along? You may remember the troops had a word for people who always let somebody else to the difficult part. You may also remember they made sure those people experienced a pretty miserable existence, too. How's it feel? I really don't want to know. But I can tell you are so thin skinned I wonder if you'd make a shadow on a sunny day. You sure can dish it out, but how come you can't take it? It's all tongue in cheek, doncha understand?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 2:09:54 GMT -5
"..............Them apples are you speak of not what you know all the time Henry...." What in Heaven's name does THAT mean? "...........you are so over the top Henry you do realize that, with your "God Bless America " BS......." Hey, everybody, desi just attacked me for singing the National Anthem. "..........Your rhetoric will make sure the freedom is for a select group and folks like you , if allowed , will be the ones to choose that group if we let you have your way, we won't......." we won't? we won't what?, , , be there? If you think you can maintain your freedoms by belittling others on a internet board, you probably won't . . . whatever it is that you "won't" "........"Freedom is somebody else's job, , , right?" Now, physically fighting and serving there , I am afraid so........" Now why did I suspect that the cost of freedom was too high for you if you had to fight for it? But you'll sure be first in line for a share if somebody "else" does the fighting, huh? Why did I suspect you felt that way all along? You may remember the troops had a word for people who always let somebody else to the difficult part. You may also remember they made sure those people experienced a pretty miserable existence, too. How's it feel? I really don't want to know. But I can tell you are so thin skinned I wonder if you'd make a shadow on a sunny day. You sure can dish it out, but how come you can't take it? It's all tongue in cheek, doncha understand? Thin skin I am not, "belittling others on a internet board," that seems to be your thing, "cost of freedom was too high for you if you had to fight for it? ", oh I fought for it alright, now I and you, no longer our time, and all your bluster, you know it too, " But you'll sure be first in line for a share if somebody "else" does the fighting, huh? " and again , your mouth gets in the way, you speak of what you know not, "You may remember the troops had a word for people who always let somebody else to the difficult part. " we had a name for ones like you too, usually a few of these *&*^%^ but more , "blowhard, watch him, he's all talk and he is dangerouse, will get you hurt " "You may also remember they made sure those people experienced a pretty miserable existence, too. " Possible where you served , we , we just normally picked up the pieces when their time came and moved on. Do you mind if we can end this now. Tell you what, you don't invite me over to meet the folks , I 'll do the same.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 10, 2011 7:11:55 GMT -5
End it? Sure we can end it. All we have to do is remember how it started. Seems it was the day I made my first posts here. Without reference to anything concerning you, and on a completely different thread good old meek and cuddly desi with the friendly greeting climbed my case, and continues to climb my case yet. Doesn't like to be challenged over anything liberal, but knows the deepest secret mental images of so many other people, , , , , and wants to be in charge. Wants to call the shots. Wants to be able to jump in when the urge visits, and jump out with a snide remark if it suits, and leave unintelligible and unstudied, and all too often antisocial tripe on the board. But always with a hair trigger to whip others into line.
Take this episode for instance. How did it start? You made some posts on your own thread, , , this one , , , that runs counter to all the data available about the harshness of muslim society in general and the domineering aims and brutality of the Muslim Brotherhood in particular, along with jabs about the perception of some others of us regarding them, , , , , and I asked you about it, , , , but you chose not to answer. For days you chose not to answer. But that was a different circumstance, wasn't it?
For repeated posts now you have asked that it end. Sure it can end. As easily as your refusing to answer my question a couple of days ago it can end. Why don't you end it, if things are so tough? But remember this, desi., , , , I've got a place in this sandbox, and I don't like sand kicked in my face by the likes of you. I sometimes kick sand right back.
And whether it's ended or not is purely up to you, but this is worth remembering , , , , , freedom is not a once in a lifetime purchase. You said you would fight for it, but in your own chosen way while letting somebody else do the war part this time. It reminds me of a survey of college students I saw not long ago. 28 percent of them said they couldn't think of a single reason they would serve in the military, including during an actual invasion. The most common reason was that they considered others to be better suited to that sort of thing. But the survey said they thought they could help out by planning and directing the efforts instead.
That's what your comments reminded me of.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 8:47:51 GMT -5
Henryclay......good stuff as always.... But I doubt that it will register, and only embolden more??
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 9:09:12 GMT -5
OK, with that out of the way, hopefully, who are the Muslim brotherhood, anyway? Safeharbor gave us all a pretty good answer to your question Demi which you might have missed: The Muslim Brotherhood is the mother ship of radical islamists everywhere. They deny extremist positions, but most of the Muslim extremists in the Middle-East seem to have had some previous connection with them. They get assistance from American Muslim groups [and those in sympathy with them] and, presumably pass on this assistance to those they choose. Most of the Muslim Brotherhood seem to be middle-class, well educated and somewhat westernized Muslims. It is entirely possible that they would prefer a modern westernized Egypt, but they are nevertheless Islamists who believe in Jihad and the necessity of the destruction of both Israel and those in the West who resist them, particularly and specifically the US. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=3094&page=3#ixzz1GCpf7sgTAnd BTW I totally agree with Henry Clay and share his frustrations which is something you ought to check into....IMHO
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 10, 2011 9:33:14 GMT -5
Who is the Muslim Brotherhood? Dunno. Don't know any of those folks. I've always thought of them as akin to the Skin Heads, and some factons of the Tea Party, along with ALF and the Weathermen. Takes all kinds, and all kinds are involved. It's not about what they claim to be their "mission". It's about the fact they're terrorists.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 9:39:45 GMT -5
Who is the Muslim Brotherhood? Dunno. Don't know any of those folks. I've always thought of them as akin to the Skin Heads, and some factons of the Tea Party, along with ALF and the Weathermen. Takes all kinds, and all kinds are involved. It's not about what they claim to be their "mission". It's about the fact they're terrorists. You might just learn more today about the Muslim Brotherhood and their influence on the Jihardists in this country at the Congressional Hearings being chaired by Republican Chairman Peter King....they should be interesting to say the least..
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 9:44:07 GMT -5
I have to go with what is expressed here..that there are some memb ers who have a different agenda, espose violence in their dealings, I am not surprised. If I saw the moderate members of the Brother Hood being more active in reporting those people , and who is to say they are not yet due to the unhinged violence of some, for self protection they may insist on anamitaty for safety sake, have you thought of that, it just came to me, but I would like to see that happening and hope fully as I just said it is happening.
i'm hoping the moderate members of the American nazi party and ELF step up too. but they probably have the same road blocks as "the moderate members" of the MB
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 10, 2011 9:46:45 GMT -5
Who is the Muslim Brotherhood? Dunno. Don't know any of those folks. I've always thought of them as akin to the Skin Heads, and some factons of the Tea Party, along with ALF and the Weathermen. Takes all kinds, and all kinds are involved. It's not about what they claim to be their "mission". It's about the fact they're terrorists. You might just learn more today about the Muslim Brotherhood and their influence on the Jihardists in this country at the Congressional Hearings being chaired by Republican Chairman Peter King....they should be interesting to say the least.. I learn more by reading materials offered by all sides of an issue, P I. I don't feel there's much to learn from those with an obvious agenda. I'll stick to that premise and continue with my own way of gleaning information.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 9:55:52 GMT -5
You might just learn more today about the Muslim Brotherhood and their influence on the Jihardists in this country at the Congressional Hearings being chaired by Republican Chairman Peter King....they should be interesting to say the least.. I learn more by reading materials offered by all sides of an issue, P I. I don't feel there's much to learn from those with an obvious agenda. I'll stick to that premise and continue with my own way of gleaning information. The Hearings today are NOT about any agendas but rather to better inform the public about the potential threats to our nation by Islamic Terrorists because the Obama Administration especially Eric Holder has shied away from this subject for obvious reasons.. I am looking forward to today's hearings and hope it is NOT just Peter King's Crusade. King as you probably know has made some very controversial statements that the Muslims are NOT helping law enforcement, and we have homegrown terrorists who are being directed by Jihardists in the Middle East...now his hearings will shed more light on these issues or maybe not but I want to know..
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 10, 2011 9:59:14 GMT -5
<<< I learn more by reading materials offered by all sides of an issue, P I. I don't feel there's much to learn from those with an obvious agenda. >>> ...I'm confused... you want to read a little something about a lot of opinions, but not the opinions with an agenda?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 10, 2011 10:02:02 GMT -5
The number one threat to this country today comes from our homegrown Muslim brotherhood. Spread from coast to coast............................................“An Explanatory Memorandum,” was written in 1991 by a top Hamas official living in the United States (Mohamed Akram), and was discovered in 2004 during an FBI raid where the archives of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. were discovered at the Annandale, Virginia home of another leading Hamas official and Muslim Brother (Ismail Elbarasse). This is the strategic document for the Muslim Brotherhood in North America, and was approved by the MB’s Shura Council and Organizational Conference. It is an official MB document which was entered into evidence during the HLF trial and stipulated to by the defense that it was what it purports to be – the MB’s strategy document for North America.
The document states the Brotherhood is waging a “Civilization-Jihadist process” which is a “kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 10, 2011 10:15:26 GMT -5
One of the items to be discussed today at King's hearings are the so called "Extremist Imams" and their teachings in their mosques which is going to be very controversial....this is based on a study done in 1999 by the State Dept entitled "Islamic Extremism"...and its threat to US Security....but will any Imams testify today??
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deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 11:46:02 GMT -5
End it? Sure we can end it. All we have to do is remember how it started. Seems it was the day I made my first posts here. Without reference to anything concerning you, and on a completely different thread good old meek and cuddly desi with the friendly greeting climbed my case, and continues to climb my case yet. Doesn't like to be challenged over anything liberal, but knows the deepest secret mental images of so many other people, , , , , and wants to be in charge. Wants to call the shots. Wants to be able to jump in when the urge visits, and jump out with a snide remark if it suits, and leave unintelligible and unstudied, and all too often antisocial tripe on the board. But always with a hair trigger to whip others into line. Take this episode for instance. How did it start? You made some posts on your own thread, , , this one , , , that runs counter to all the data available about the harshness of muslim society in general and the domineering aims and brutality of the Muslim Brotherhood in particular, along with jabs about the perception of some others of us regarding them, , , , , and I asked you about it, , , , but you chose not to answer. For days you chose not to answer. But that was a different circumstance, wasn't it? For repeated posts now you have asked that it end. Sure it can end. As easily as your refusing to answer my question a couple of days ago it can end. Why don't you end it, if things are so tough? But remember this, desi., , , , I've got a place in this sandbox, and I don't like sand kicked in my face by the likes of you. I sometimes kick sand right back. And whether it's ended or not is purely up to you, but this is worth remembering , , , , , freedom is not a once in a lifetime purchase. You said you would fight for it, but in your own chosen way while letting somebody else do the war part this time. It reminds me of a survey of college students I saw not long ago. 28 percent of them said they couldn't think of a single reason they would serve in the military, including during an actual invasion. The most common reason was that they considered others to be better suited to that sort of thing. But the survey said they thought they could help out by planning and directing the efforts instead. That's what your comments reminded me of. "and I asked you about it, , , , but you chose not to answer. For days you chose not to answer. But that was a different circumstance, wasn't it?" ---------------------------------------------- And as it was explained to you by a moderator, I have no obligation to answer a post, for what ever reason. In this case I knew what ever answer I gave you , you have a very clear agenda on this subject, it would not be sufficient to satisfy you, and what just went on, would be the result. Yet here you are , still bringing it up even though you were told the rules here. So I gave you your answer and sure enough still not happy. And on and on we go. "Seems it was the day I made my first posts here." What ever it was , and I haven't a clue what it was, your on a open chat board. You post a thought, a idea, a anything, expect a reply. You will get either a in response . One agrees , one disagrees . If you can't stand disagreement, suggest spend more time with the better half or friends who agree with your every utterance. If the kitchen is to hot , best to leave it. Your the one who doesn't understand what we do here. We are pretty evenly split along the political and also social lines her, for most of us, we accept a give , take atmosphere. I guess unless it's primarily acceptance and agreement, your just not happy. My suggestion, get over it. "For repeated posts now you have asked that it end." Yep , yet here you are...everything has been said, both sides...but now you bringing up anything and every thing but the "Re: Muslim Brotherhood..who are they?", all personal, which has nothing to do with the thread. "freedom is not a once in a lifetime purchase. You said you would fight for it, but in your own chosen way while letting somebody else do the war part this time" So here you are again, not knowing what you speak of, making the same BS assumptions AND attacks on me , now personal , insinuating as if you have the corner on patriotism . I answered that as best I could, my AND your time are long over, and in your ignorance and not reading what is written , have you given any thought of why I seem to spend so much time here on the boards? You are a sorry individual in my opinion but we will be having back and fourths here, and most likely on opposite sides , get used to it . "28 percent of them said they couldn't think of a single reason they would serve in the military, including during an actual invasion. " I wasn't one of those types , in a way, in hind site, but to late for that, but I don't live my life as some in the "back in the day and my sacrifice " which I believe you do. Proud of my service, yes glad I served, would rather have done it all States side or the capital there would have been fine too, but that was not to happen. However , to relive it and have the false bravado I see in you and a few others, I'll leave that to you all. You really should back off on the comments regarding others when you don't know C about what you speak.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 10, 2011 12:21:33 GMT -5
The document states the Brotherhood is waging a “Civilization-Jihadist process” which is a “kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
Its acutely evident that following the Constitution when it delves into matters of handling minorities in the context with which they have chosen to be handled is something no spineless politician wants to even bring up. It is clearly written that any person or group whom conspires to disrupt the system through insurrection or otherwise shall be executed. Seems like you have clear proof of such a plot so I would think it would not be a problem to move forward with the charges. Now consider how most liberals and even some conservatives would think the notion is comparable to Hitler for instance. This is how far removed from the Constitution most people really are. America today is nothing like the country it was and never will be until complete dismantling and rebuilding from scratch. Once all enemies of the country are neutralized the Constitution will need to be re-written and modernized to account for any future misinterpretation and twisting of words and meaning. It seems the document is manipulated on a daily basis by parasite litigators that have only their interests in mind and couldn't care less about the country's well being.
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deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 12:30:07 GMT -5
The document states the Brotherhood is waging a “Civilization-Jihadist process” which is a “kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” Its acutely evident that following the Constitution when it delves into matters of handling minorities in the context with which they have chosen to be handled is something no spineless politician wants to even bring up. It is clearly written that any person or group whom conspires to disrupt the system through insurrection or otherwise shall be executed. Seems like you have clear proof of such a plot so I would think it would not be a problem to move forward with the charges. Now consider how most liberals and even some conservatives would think the notion is comparable to Hitler for instance. This is how far removed from the Constitution most people really are. America today is nothing like the country it was and never will be until complete dismantling and rebuilding from scratch. Once all enemies of the country are neutralized the Constitution will need to be re-written and modernized to account for any future misinterpretation and twisting of words and meaning. It seems the document is manipulated on a daily basis by parasite litigators that have only their interests in mind and couldn't care less about the country's well being. "Once all enemies of the country are neutralized the Constitution will need to be re-written and modernized to account for any future misinterpretation and twisting of words and meaning. It seems the document is manipulated on a daily basis by parasite litigators that have only their interests in mind and couldn't care less about the country's well being. " mmm , seems you are angling to come on down, get your license to practice here, and get in line to be one of those other litigators fighting those "parasite litigators " to make all things right, how noble of you. ;D
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Post by workpublic on Mar 10, 2011 12:33:29 GMT -5
imho,
a small number of people believe(or are furthering an agenda) that the MB is not an islamofacist organization. that it has a majority of "moderates".
a much larger number of people, that have an opinion, don't.
the lessor group contends that the larger group is ignorant and or racist and must destroyed.
It seems the document is manipulated on a daily basis by parasite litigators that have only their interests in mind and couldn't care less about the country's well being.
a real threat - parasite litigators
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 10, 2011 12:42:57 GMT -5
imho, a small number of people believe(or are furthering an agenda) that the MB is not an islamofacist organization. that it has a majority of "moderates". a much larger number of people, that have an opinion, don't. the lessor group contends that the larger group is ignorant and or racist and must destroyed. It seems the document is manipulated on a daily basis by parasite litigators that have only their interests in mind and couldn't care less about the country's well being. a real threat - parasite litigators parasite litigators or folks who are concerned that all citizens are protected by our constitutional rights..how do you differentiate and still protect those rights for all.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 10, 2011 12:50:26 GMT -5
I thought we are defending the Constitution by dismantling the Muslim Brotherhood. Enemies foreign and domestic.
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